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Post by mastermike95 on Jan 15, 2013 21:38:18 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 15, 2013 23:17:27 GMT -5
Why the wrap on the receiver group on the gng i wonder? Based on the few pictures released on each the gng does look a little more correct but who knows at this point. I wonder what the specs and price will be on the gng? Mag capacity? FPS? Load process etc? If both of them are actually out for March that will be great!
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Post by mastermike95 on Jan 16, 2013 11:50:31 GMT -5
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Post by Rekkon on Jan 16, 2013 16:29:25 GMT -5
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Post by brownien on Jan 16, 2013 19:27:11 GMT -5
Lol G&G is so protective of their M1's inner workings! I smell ICS/G&G rivalry! ;D
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Post by mastermike95 on Jan 16, 2013 23:26:28 GMT -5
I think G&G is doing a marketing technique. Since ICS has revealed its going to be using a 42rnd magazine maybe they hid the reciever to get people to hold off on the ICS and wait and see wat the G&G has to offer.
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Post by Seff on Jan 20, 2013 7:59:53 GMT -5
The G&G looks a lot better dimensioned than the ICS, like they had a real M1 to take molds off of while the ICS guys had to eyeball it from pictures of videogames.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 20, 2013 11:45:05 GMT -5
The G&G looks a lot better dimensioned than the ICS, like they had a real M1 to take molds off of while the ICS guys had to eyeball it from pictures of videogames. Yeah but that could also mean it's alot less stronger where the grip area is and it's thin already, the G&G one might brake easy
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Post by newcomer on Jan 20, 2013 13:52:33 GMT -5
If it's walnut, I suppose the thinner grip could be "okay". If its pine or ash, i'll bet 5 bucks that it'll break or fracture when you first drop it.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 20, 2013 14:18:56 GMT -5
Yeah, looks like the ICS one is the better choice so far
I hope people who buy them are aware of the thinner grip
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 20, 2013 19:24:02 GMT -5
Even with walnut if the stock dimensions are correct (or even close) the wood needs internal reinforcement. I suspect the wood is an ash and that even thicker has some internal bracing. If not i would recommend it for new owners before the fact.
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Post by Atomic Racoon on Jan 20, 2013 22:28:30 GMT -5
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Post by stuka on Jan 20, 2013 23:02:36 GMT -5
i believe that pic is from 2012 so...yeah...
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 21, 2013 1:20:14 GMT -5
It clearly shows a gear box contained beneath the receiver group, not extending back into the neck. Very interesting. At the GnG booth at Shotshow they also have promotional material with photos and details on their CO2 Springfield, 9 round magazine and NOT shell ejecting.
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Post by mastermike95 on Jan 21, 2013 2:34:31 GMT -5
My dad got a G&G catalogue from the shotshow. Here is the M1 garand with info, but the g&g dude said the info on the m1 in the catalogue was incorrect soo idk m1 by mastermike95, on Flickr
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 21, 2013 14:45:26 GMT -5
The fps will no doubt be greater although sometimes literature reflects the lower power ratings to facilitate some countries restrictions. For a long, heavy, semi automatic rifle a high FPS seems essential especially with a small mag capacity. 20 rounds seems quite appropriate for this weapon although the 42 in the ICS seems about right. The silouette of the GnG does look more correct based on the information released so far.
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Post by Rekkon on Jan 22, 2013 9:18:18 GMT -5
For what it is worth, this is the report I got back from a friend that attended the show.
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Post by mastermike95 on Jan 22, 2013 13:27:05 GMT -5
My dad who also attended the shotshow said the G&G was all around better. The wood finish was more realistic. For me the deciding factor will be the price. I think the G&g will attempt to 1 up ICS. i don't think its possible to have a top loading AEG or ejecting clip since they're using a m14 gearbox. So I think they will make it electric blowback. Idk what else they could do to make it internally better than ICS.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 22, 2013 15:10:00 GMT -5
There is a big difference from a marketing perspective between the $399.00 price point of the GnG and the $288.00 price point of the ICS so one would expect differences in quality and performance or both. I suspect both of these prices to come down a bit over time and see the possibility of both ics and gng offering a simulated wood version that would be even less expensive. I for one would actually be put off by an aeg with blow back if that is a planned gng feature but i can see where that might have appeal for others. I just see it as one more things that draws juice and can go wrong. Mag capacity for skirmishing is a fine balance for our purposes as too high of a capacity detracts from its realism for period skirmishing but too low makes it either impractical or too expensive for skirmishing. Either way reasonable priced clips will be a factor in which gun will be the most successful in the marketplace.
Authenticity, price and reliability followed by performance specs (mag capacity and FPS) will probably be the key factors (in that order) in determinng which will be the most popular choice. It is my hope that they will both be enormously successful and i will be buying on of each.
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Post by mastermike95 on Jan 22, 2013 23:12:12 GMT -5
I know a lot of people arent huge fans of electric blowback, but I was liked it because I use a lot of gas and electric blowback airsoft guns in my short movies. 2nd Bat I totally agree with you. It honestly comes down to whatever rifle fits best for the buyer. I like the ICS so far for its 42rnd capacity and price. The ICS will be a very good airsoft weapon not just for WW2 games, but even regular airsoft games. The G&G has a better finish and is compatible with there m14 parts.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 24, 2013 17:13:59 GMT -5
I don't really think that they can make a EBB for the huge bolt, it would waste too much battery power. I really hope the magazines are interchangable, and the G&G M1 will most likely also use their M14 magazines. That would make it more "appealing" for the random airsoft games. Unfortunately I won't be buying either of these, I already have a custom made M1 Garand (that has never failed me), and it's also the only AEG I own (in working condition anyway). And that says alot because I hate AEGS
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 24, 2013 19:31:25 GMT -5
I am extremely confident that the magazines for the ICS and GnG WILL NOT be interchangeable just as the M14 magazines for GnG andClassic Army are totally different than all the other brands. ( Marui, UTG, TSD, Echo 1, Cyma, Kart etc.). i suspect GnG is re thinking their approach to mag design and coming up with a design that has greater capacity. I for one think 30 to 50 is where they'd want to be and that ICS at 42 is pretty much spot on. Hopefully they wont go the winding high cap route and end up with BBs rattling around inside.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 24, 2013 21:25:32 GMT -5
I thought that because G&G is using their M14 gearbox, the magazine well is probably the same on their M1 Garand. Might not be though, anyway I also hope it holds atleast the same amount (maybe even a bit more) than the ICS one. 42 rounds is great! Especially for an M1 Garand. The more the better, unless it becomes a high cap anyway. Most Thompson and MP40 magazines hold arount 110 bbs, so about half that would be perfect
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Post by <2>nd Rangers M/Sgt. Tom on Jan 25, 2013 12:53:57 GMT -5
Not a bad looking rifle however I wish it was pakerized or at least anodized like the marushin; The black paint some companies use is so ugly. The G&G I have no beef with looks amazing.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 25, 2013 13:21:07 GMT -5
The cosmetics on either will be easy to customize and for me is always part of the fun. In the field each rifle showed wear in unique ways and the finish reacted to environmental and field maintenance differently. There were some consistent patterns that tended to occure and by studying photographs and actual field weapons its an aspect of this hobby I and others truly enjoy. I love seeing examples of authentically "aged" weapons. Both the GnG and ICS will quickly recieve these treatments shortly after they reach my arms room.
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Post by elder90 on Jan 29, 2013 2:20:13 GMT -5
Ive Worked on to many G&G's to ever own one and if it is Blowback that will only add more problems.
I have full faith in ICS with this one, The other guns they make are bullet proof and and easy to work on, if the G&G Garand is anything like their M14, it will take a lot to work on, their M14's almost take 2 people to put the gearbox back together. Drives me nuts.
When Fox gets the ICS in I will bring in my Real Garand and do a Side by side comparison and full breakdown review.
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Post by roadwarrior on Jul 3, 2013 23:47:16 GMT -5
Found this, bit mo info:
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Post by tinydata on Jul 9, 2013 21:32:02 GMT -5
I emailed a G&G CS representative and he told me to expect a Oct-Dec 2013 release for the M1.
Damn, I just bought their M14- oh well, more fun!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 10, 2013 18:09:23 GMT -5
So it is now approaching mid December any updates on this GnG Garand? In creating a custom SKS whose base rifle only had a high cap magazine i had to shrten the magazine to the point that very few BBs could be held in the magazine reservoir in order for me to get things to fit in the shallow SKS lower magazine. The epiphany was that in a high cap the reservoir rolls into the sprimg mechanism via gravity so a speed load from the top is feasible. Perhaps this is GnGs plan and their reason for going with. Fixed internal high cap. If so and especially if they created a speed loader that looked like an enblock clip, this might be very cool. Generally I hate high caps but this approach would have some appeal.
I continue to absolutely love my ICS but will be first in line to buy this once it is out. If they do go with an internl high cap my vote would be for 50 rounds to 30 rounds between reloads and I would hope they would take steps to muffle the rattling.
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Post by newcomer on Dec 10, 2013 20:13:04 GMT -5
Searched their facebook and website, no news at all one way or another.
Perhaps they shelved it upon the ICS' release, but it would be nice to hear from a G&G rep again.
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