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Post by slick63 on Jun 13, 2013 12:13:54 GMT -5
Stumbled across this last night, not available to us over in the UK though. Be interested to know if any of you lads in the US have bought one ? link
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 14, 2013 22:39:07 GMT -5
Obviously the reason the UKARMS supply of these guns dropped off the face of the earth is because CYMA picked it up. I have been trying to source these since SGT TOM pointed out the item in an earlier thread. My UKARM source has again said they can't get them and while this price is a bit higher they at least appear to be available. The price is still low enough to give them a try and I am pleased to see spare 40 round mags are available as well. Unfortunately I am on the road with a BMW tour and won't be home anytime soon so no point in me ordering one but I hope someone will and can provide a report. My thinking is even as a springer if they indeed shoot at 300 plus FPS with 20 gram they would work as loaner guns for crew served folks and rear eschelon types. They are of course an M2 Korean War vintage but with the lack of viable carbines this looks to be a great find. Hopefully they will still be around and available by the time I'm in a position to order one. Until then someone get one and provide a full report.
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Post by slick63 on Jun 15, 2013 3:45:51 GMT -5
Looks like a retailer over here in the UK is trying to source these now. Hopefully the price won`t be too inflated if they get to these shores.
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Post by soldatjakob on Jun 15, 2013 11:44:08 GMT -5
airsoftmegastore.com has them in stock
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 17, 2013 12:24:28 GMT -5
OK, got one on order. "Hope for the best. Plan for the worst."
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 17, 2013 13:28:40 GMT -5
Please provide a full report as once back home i will buy a few unless they are atrocious. I feel like i let some folks down when I was unable to source these from UKARMS but the CYMA acquisition explains a lot. I predict these will be equivalent to the springer m14s which aren't from line skirmishable but in the intended role of a carbine should be fine. Nice to see spare mags available.
Obviously a ww2 correct version would be nice but given the dearth of available carbine choices and the commonality of this weapon with US (and even German) troops this is a welcome offering.
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Post by slick63 on Jun 17, 2013 14:36:23 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly. Will be very interested to read a review Volkssturm, once you get the gun in your hands
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Post by gunslinginotaku on Jun 18, 2013 1:54:54 GMT -5
I kinda find the thing as an insult... "Oh people want more affordable WWII guns, for the allies in particular? Hey we got you covered!! Ooops, it's a springer..." *shrugs*
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Post by stuka on Jun 18, 2013 7:55:58 GMT -5
well we don't mind bolt action springers but if it should be semi auto then thats a problem
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Post by brownien on Jun 18, 2013 11:44:38 GMT -5
In that case the marushin m1 would be an insult. " here's a beautiful replica gun! It even uses 8rnd clips that eject! But its a pot luck for whenever it will actually operate and how long until it breaks!" I'm just glad someone has taken it upon themselves to supply a reliable ww2 airsoft gun to the masses. Would I have preferred an aeg? Yes. Heck, I wouldn't have minded if it had an aep gearbox! But alas, its a step in the right direction, and a good base for anyone willing to try to convert it to an aep!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 20, 2013 1:55:08 GMT -5
Exactly! Is it ideal? Obviously not it's post war, its a springer and we don't know as yet how good it is but at well under 100.00 bucks and a carbine it's a nice offering and i for one will take the leap and am happy to have the product available to me at last.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 20, 2013 19:16:44 GMT -5
So, the new toy arrived today. Overall appearance is good. The stock is a nice reddish brown faux wood pattern, but has a bit of a gloss to it. It looks quite close to the real thing. Not 100%, but high 90's. It's a hair longer than mine. The stock is maybe 1/4 inch wider than the real one and some of the contours are slightly off, but not much. The FPS started with a respectable 336 with .20's, but then succeeding shots dropped off until it settled in the mid 290s. Adequate but not impressive. Cocking it takes a bit of effort, especially that last 3/8 inch until the sear catches. It sounds like a springer, with a distinct reverberating echo. The magazine is built like a springer mag and it comes with a speedloader with an attachment for the mag. For a backup weapon, a prop, or support personnel it's definitely worth the money. It could probably hold its own against bolt actions, though the low FPS might put it at a disadvantage.
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Post by SfcMigs on Jun 20, 2013 20:34:40 GMT -5
I took the leap of faith as well. I'll offer my review when I receive it next week.
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Post by slick63 on Jun 21, 2013 11:36:33 GMT -5
Volkssturm, hope you don`t mind but I`ve copied your review and posted it over on the UK ww2 airsoft forum. Some of the lads will be very interested in your findings.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 22, 2013 17:39:13 GMT -5
Great report. Right in line with what i had imagined. Definitely sounds worthwhile to add to the armory with a few spare mags. A dull coat finish to the plastic faux wood does wonders. Sounds like it will work as a fill in loaner to supplement new players without kit or crew served positions as a back up for their mortar, bazooka etc. It also should work in the hands of unit leaders and help force them to fight their squads, platoons etc.
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Post by SfcMigs on Jun 27, 2013 22:08:17 GMT -5
Got my CYMA M1-Carbine yesterday and was very pleased with the cosmetics of the gun. The ABS plastic has a bit of a shine to it, but can easily be roughed up for a battle worn look. The receiver on the gun is metal and the cocking handle is easy to pull back. The mags are plastic, but are a heavy plastic and feel real solid. In battle against an AEG, it would prove to be fruitless, but this weapon can be affective as a loaner for those who haven't gotten their kits together or in a squad among other AEG's. With very little effort, you can easily fire the gun more effectively than the D'Boys KAR98 (that I too own).
As far as performance, at first I was very discouraged. With .20BB's, the BB's flew all over the place. Mostly in an upward arc after about 50 feet. Adjusting the hop-up did very little to help. I then switched to .25's and the results were similar. Feeling very frustrated, I was ready to pack the gun back up for a return trip to Airsoft MegaStore. But I thought I'd try cleaning the barrel with silicone first. When I tried the jamming rod, it didn't fit with the tiny gun cloth attached, I used a different one and it went in just fine. After a thorough cleaning, I tried the gun again with the .25's and it performed very well. It was on target 8-10 times and the hop-up seem to respond better in regards to the arc.
My overall assessment is the gun is a keeper and I'm happy I purchased it. Even if I only use it as a CP prop or a loner, it's still worth the price.
I'll give it a 8 out of 10 rating.
Migs
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Post by brownien on Jun 27, 2013 22:31:41 GMT -5
I just recieved mine today! I am quite pleased with the quality of the gun itself, although only the charging handle, bolt and barrel are actually made of metal. I'm not all that concerned with the shooting preformance of mine, becuase of my planned conversion for this gun. It should prove to be a very good base gun for my project! Coming soon!
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 28, 2013 11:34:58 GMT -5
Well, I've managed to jam mine. I started to disassemble it to see what the innards looked like, put it back together and now the bolt won't go back all the way. I'll play with it some more in a bit. Also noticed something. The safety works backwards. When it's turned down the trigger is blocked, when it's turned back (pointing towards the trigger), the trigger is free. Wonder how they missed that.
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Post by roadwarrior on Jul 3, 2013 23:56:12 GMT -5
Well, I've managed to jam mine. I started to disassemble it to see what the innards looked like, put it back together and now the bolt won't go back all the way. I'll play with it some more in a bit. Also noticed something. The safety works backwards. When it's turned down the trigger is blocked, when it's turned back (pointing towards the trigger), the trigger is free. Wonder how they missed that. Can you take it off and flip it forward? It could of just been put on backwards lol.
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Post by murph1797 on Jul 18, 2013 11:09:04 GMT -5
I think i will definitely have pick one of these up
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Post by gunner on Jul 19, 2013 21:36:22 GMT -5
I picked one up in may from airsoftmegastore, you get what you pay for. But, I like it, despite a Springer. It's good for a "leader" who's not getting into much of the fight, can't go up against gas or aeg.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 19, 2013 22:49:40 GMT -5
The reports are definitely in line with my experience. It is a good value for the money and a nice addition to our weapons choices. Assuming Browning is able to create an effective marriage between an AEP and this body an even more competitive carbine may at last be available as a stop gap until some volume manufacturer offers an electric powered carbine.
This rifle in its out of the box form is viable (although just barely) and suits my intended means just fine. I too found the barrel needed cleaning and feel it shoots best with .25 gram. If an opponent is just hit once it's best if there is a little more weight in the round that strikes him and the .25 goes a little farther.
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Post by murph1797 on Jul 26, 2013 21:16:44 GMT -5
I saw that airsoft gi has now stocked these as well
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Post by stuka on Jul 27, 2013 21:31:25 GMT -5
they also have mags for 'em too, the gun is cheaper on asgi i belive
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 27, 2013 23:52:31 GMT -5
Airsoftgi quickly sold out, but still have spare magazines in stock. The rifle is definitely worth the low low price. I too found that the barrel needed cleaning and found that .28 gram BBs seem to be the sweet spot BB weight for them. It would be nice to convert a few magazines to the box size of WW2 but the conversion is not an easy one. Other visual tweaks like removing the bayonet lug and replacing the rear site are easy enough. An actual sling and stock mag pouch adds a lot visually.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 11, 2013 19:55:15 GMT -5
Incidently my only real complaint and one that is part and parcel to most springers is how frustratingly hard it is to load springer magazines. You pretty much have to load them one BB at a time and it is typically a comedy of errors as everytime you get 10 or so BBs into the mag 6 zip out. A speed loader comes with the rifle but I haven't figured out how to use it with the clips. You absolutely wouldn't want to have to load a clip during a skirmish so spare mags are an absolute neccessity. Fortunately they are available and cheap and the design is such that once loaded they don't typically unload while bouncing around in a pouch.
technically a load system that extends outside a weapon is called a magazine and a load system that is contained within a weapon is called a clip but for whatever reason carbine magazines have traditionally been called "clips" hence the teminologies above.
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Post by SfcMigs on Aug 12, 2013 18:55:10 GMT -5
The speed loader can be tricky, but I seemed to have mastered it. Unlike most speed loaders, this one does not load straight down into the mag, you have to insert the loader at a right angle. It takes some tinkering, but once you get it, it works fine.
Good luck,
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Post by stuka on Aug 12, 2013 20:50:51 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 12, 2013 23:42:18 GMT -5
While it's always good to see new WW2 offerings. This one looks quite dreadful. The price of course reflects that and at 300 fps for .12 gram the performance no doubt matches the lack of visual fidelity. Hillareous the way they copied the entirely ficticeous finger cocker of the old Marushin non blow back gas guns from back in the day.
Someone will have to buy one to let us all know just how horrible it is. Thanks for the heads up however.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Aug 13, 2013 15:33:14 GMT -5
That is hilarious. I'd rather have the springer
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