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Post by SfcMigs on Dec 15, 2013 16:52:55 GMT -5
I remember someone has in the past set up speakers to simulate distant small arms fire. Was it you brownien? That was my events. I did that at "Day of Days" 2011, and "Bastonge" in 2012. Both times I had small arms fire, but at Day of Days I also had AA guns and C47 plane sounds to simulate the D-Day drops. Still have the sound tracks.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 15, 2013 16:55:07 GMT -5
Cool! Don't think the Day of Days sound tracks would be too useful, but the Bastogne ones...
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Post by SfcMigs on Dec 15, 2013 16:57:39 GMT -5
On the conversion of blank fire reenactors to airsofters, many reenactors think we aren't serious enough and dislike us for our lack I authenticity. In the Year I've spent as a reenactor I've become disgusted at the amout of dislike they sometimes have towards airsofters. But it seems that those who have participated in a game are far more accepting. I do my best to encourage them to play Airsoft, but my efforts haven't been very fruitful. Also, on the 100% accuracy of blank fire, we do understand that not every shot is a kill. At bf events you'd be amazed at the amount of fire we lay down with zero kills. I'm sure at the BF events it's a little different than what we've experienced in our game play. But from what I observed at the 3 or 4 integrated events, was most airsofters weren't use to the noise and some thought they were grenades going off and were initially confused. This confusion often led to arguments and pissed off players. It's a shame it didn't work. I really liked the noise. But hated the grumbling.
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Post by brownien on Dec 15, 2013 17:02:34 GMT -5
CO's, sgts and cpls will all be determined by me durring the pre combat formations training. I will get everyone together after that and let everyone know and split up everyone into squads
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Post by ScottCollins on Dec 15, 2013 20:06:42 GMT -5
Oh! Should we bring our own food or will it be provided?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 15, 2013 22:09:39 GMT -5
The short tactical training and individual movement sessions will give teams and squad leaders a much better chance at some level of control and in my experience adds a lot to an event.
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Post by brownien on Dec 16, 2013 0:20:05 GMT -5
UPDATE!
Preliminary schedule as follows:
Saturday
0900hrs- Arrival, I would like everyone at the playing field by this time, and everyone in uniform by then. Anyone using Loaner kit will form up at the Command tent and loaner gear will be issued. Everyone will then form up on the US XO to sign waivers MANDANTORY! Everyone will then report to the Armorer at the firing range for chrono-ing, and general target practice if you wish.
1000hrs- Initial Briefing, everyone will again group up around the Command tent to be briefed on the Formations drills. Our tactician will go over basic formations school circle style, before moving out for field training.
1030hrs- Field Training Commences, everyone; US and German, will move out and put what we have learned into practice. This will be live fire with very limited ammo! For training, Mags and ammo will be regulated to enforce proper trigger discipline.
1200hrs- Field Training Ends, Both sides will regroup at the Command post for a debrief, and to prep for departure to the Combat Zone! Mags, extra BB's, and gear loaded; everything you will need for the duration of the day MUST be packed! Once you move out to your respective HQ's, you won't be able to return to the CP, unless it is very important, and trust me, you really don't want to hoof it all the way back!
1230hrs- Chow! Once you are set to move out, line up at the Mess area for some hot stew, biscuits, and pork luncheon meat. Savor it! it will be your last hot meal for a long while!
1300hrs- Main Briefing-US, all US forces will be broken into squads and briefed on the location of their HQ, Forward CP, and where they are to dig in. US forces will then jump in, and move out according to orders.
1315hrs- Main Briefing-German, German forces will be broken into squads and briefed on their HQ, Forward CP, and where they are to dig in. German forces will then move out according to orders and prep their AO.
1345hrs- Battle Commences! German forces, having prepped for their main assault, will push out according to orders.
NOTE-Supper will be consumed on the field of play. There will be NO STOP CALLED! Chow will be brought up from the rear by runner, and can be warmed on a fire. You may not be eating the same time as the enemy team! keep your eyes peeled, you could be attacked at any minute, just as you could be at any other time durring combat! Eye protection must remain ON!
2100hrs- Engagement Ceases, US and German forces will pull back to what ever main fortificaion they have reached and raise their flags. Combat will cease and everyone will first report to their respective HQ's to gather their equipment, and then report to the Main CP. Everyone who has Loaner gear will report to the Command tent and turn in their gear. All gear will be earmarked for each person, so the next day everyone will recieve the same kit to speed up the issuing process the next day.
Sunday
0900hrs- 2nd Day Arrival, Everyone will again be expected to arrive at this time and be already in uniform. Again, anyone needing Loaner items will need to report to the Command tent to recieve their issued items. Everyone will then need to gear up and get everything ready to move out to their HQ's.
1000hrs- 2nd Day Mission Briefing-US, American forces will fall in on the Command Tent and be briefed on the days developments and new orders. US forces will then move out to their HQ, Forward CP, and the US side of the line.
1015hrs- 2nd Day Mission Briefing-German, German forces will fall in on the Command Tent and be briefed on the opinion of their Fuhrer on their previous days actions and his master plan for the day. German forces will then move out to their HQ, Forward CP, and the German side of the line.
1045hrs- 2nd Day Combat Commences! Both sides will then follow through with their respective orders and PUSH THE ATTACK!
NOTE-AS in the first day, Chow will not be had at the Main CP, but it will be brought up from the rear. Rations for the 2nd day will be more scarce, so if you wish, you may bring your own to suppliment, but this will go along with both more scarce ammo in simulating overly stressed supply lines. There will be a side mission with a ration reward should the objective be secured.
1600hrs- 2nd Day Combat Ceases, Both forces will gather their gear at their HQ's and report to the Main CP. Anyone with loaner gear will be required to return all gear to the Command Tent before vacating the premise.
DETAILS
This will be a continuous, semi scripted event. This will mean that each team's CO will have private radio contact at all times to help dictate the flow of battle. they will also be able to request a rest or lul in the fighting from the other team,and I will be monitoring these comms to keep everything in check. Oly the CO's and I will be aware of any rests or combat flow controlling, so to the individual combatant, everyhting will seem "off the cuff" and non-scripted. With that said, there will be no pre-determined victor. Each side will be free to pursue victory at their own accord. The Combat flow adjustments will only be in place to keep one side from being toppled, or to keep the scenario from ending too soon and needing to be reset.
I will have loudspeakers playing looped battle ambiance durring battle. I will be controlling the volume based on the circumstances of the battle. In reguards to music, you are more than welcome to bring any period music to play at your HQ durring luls in the fighting. Just make sure the player is well protected/disguised if you have a modern player, as you will be on the field of play! I want to keep the farb-O-meter on the low side.
GRENADES! Exploding and smoke grenades are welcome at the event, and I actually plan on ordering some myself. If you would like to go partially in on grenades with me, please let me know through PM. I am not sure when I will be placing the order, but I know it will be before the 1st of the year. Any grenades I buy, will be for use with me and my buddies, if you would like a few the day of the event, i would be willing to sell you a few, but DO NOT RELY ON THERE BEING ANY AVAILABLE AT THE EVENT! If you must have grenades, please order some WITH me ahead of time, otherwise its first come, first serve. I will be getting some smoke grenades also. these will be split up and issued to each team's CO. He can do what he wants with them, whether to hand them out or hold onto them, but he is in charge of WHEN and WHERE they are to be used!
FOOD: I will have Beef stew, spam and buscuits available for meals. they will not be in period correct containers, but labels will be removed. If you Germans, or anyone else would like, they can bring their own food along, if you would like more period correct foods. Just remember if you bring it and its modern food, please discard of the modern labels before bringing it onto the field of play. WE WILL BE EATING ON AND OFF THE FIELD! Even if you require loaner gear, be sure to bring some form of Mess Tin! even if its not military, some form of small, one person mess tin, will be REQUIRED! WE WLL BE FIGHTING ALOT! IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A PERIOD CANTEEN, you may bring a non military/modern canteen (NOT A CAMEL PACK!) but SOME FORM OF PERSONAL HYRATION WILL BE REQUIRED! Water for refills will be available at both HQ's and the Main CP
Fires: I will have some barrels available at the Main CP, and each HQ for use as fire barrels. The ones at the Main CP will be liquid fuel based, but the ones at each HQ will be using firewood. They may be used for heating rations while on the field, as well as any firepits you choose to make. I am not concerned with them being a firehazard, with all the snow around, but remember that your gear is FLAMMABLE! ALL firepits MUST BE DOUCED after use! SO after you get done with them, put them out before moving out! Lastly, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELFARE OF YOUR LOANER GEAR! any fire related damage to ANY ITEMS will be an out of pocket expense to the person ISSUED THE GEAR! so KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT YOU GET ISSUED!
CHRONO: I will not be setting any FPS limits for specific guns, but upon chrono-ing your weapon, I will decide on an appropriate minimum engagment distance for said weapon. It is your responsibility to uphold this MED, so please keep this in mind. Don't expect to bring a 500fps rifle and have a means to defend yourself in a CQC enviroment! Any disputes of engaging too close with a too high of a FPS, will come directly to me. The weapon in question will be Immidiately Chrono-ed again, and any violators will have their weapon impounded for the duration of the event. That means THE WHOLE EVENT! BOTH DAYS! Don't expect to use it again on day 2.
MEDICS: In depth Medic rules will be explained at the briefings, but anyone who would like to attend as a dedicated unarmed Medic may do so! They will work off a separate medic system that will benefit them for being there as an unarmed Medic! Besides that, each team will have designated armed Medics. they will have a quicker medic time than any non-medic teammates. Details will be laid out durring the briefings.
EXRA GEAR: Anyone who is coming that has extra gear, please bring it! As I have stated before, all Players in need of Loaner gear, will be required to kit up as US, but they may bring any extra items (despite nationality). Some players may need to switch sides to even things up, but I will be the one to designate who, to even out firepower.
Thats it so far! If anyone who needs Loaner gear, has yet to PM me pants and shirt sizes, you need to do so before the 25th of December! Its coming up quick, so hop to it!
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 16, 2013 15:36:17 GMT -5
Can't...wait...any..longer...AARGH! You talked about one LMG per team, is that per squad or per side?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 16, 2013 16:15:48 GMT -5
Brownian n will need to know sooner rather then later who needs what by way of weapons, uniforms and loaner gear for this event. IF you absolutely know you or a buddy are coming and you know you need some (or all) items to complete your set up, let Brownien know not later then Dec 27th . I'm giving you a few days after Christmas in case Santa is good to you.
If you need a full US uniform with web gear,helmet, leggings but minus boots. I can get you handled. Just give me a size range. SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, X Large, XX large. Uniforms can be Airborne, Regular US Infantry, Hodge podge of winter wear. mackinaw, GI overcoat, (Large shorts) tanker jacket (medium). Each set up will include a jeep hat, GI type shirt and wool scarf. I will size them large so you can wear sweaters and warm clothing under them. Bring a belt to hold the trousers up. Weapons choices are as follows: 2 Garand AEGs. These are slap togethers from remaining parts. They work great but were built as loaners, bolts don't rack things are more solidly affixed. They will come with magazines for 140 ready rounds. Semi auto only. 1 Thompson 3 to four low cap magazines. I have a second identical set up if needed. Four to eight M1 carbines (100 ready rounds of four magazines.) Due to their small size, light weight and minimal expense these are what I would prefer to send. Please cooperate with this request.
I will send web gear in sync with the weapon you have or will be borrowing. Carbine, Thompson, Garand. This box could potentially be large, heavy and expensive to ship so REQUEST items ONLY if you need them and KNOW you are coming. If you or your buddies are going to be kitted out with my items get there early enough to get set up, fitted and familiarized with the gear and weapons. BEFORE the official activity starts. I will sign you out on the items you use. It's airsoft, things happen, you won't be held responsible for damage or losses if reasonable care is taken but I do ask that you respect the items provided. To show some level of legitimate intent I request that anyone requesting I ship items in advance send Brownien the rediculously low enrollment he is charging as a good faith gesture.
I am flying out from Seattle for this event and am really looking forward to it. i want to do all I can to support this effort. brownien is a saint for taking this on. Events are a ton of work and sponsors go through tremendous mental anguish preparing for them. Do right by him and make this a success.
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Post by ScottCollins on Dec 16, 2013 16:55:47 GMT -5
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 16, 2013 16:59:16 GMT -5
Don't worry Scott, we'll get rides. Hey 2nd Bat, do you have webbing for a BAR M1918? My friend has one, but no uniform or gear.
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Post by brownien on Dec 16, 2013 17:15:50 GMT -5
Lol toto!
I am really looking forward to this event! I have many things in the works to make this a unique event.
For LMG's, I have 2 BAR's for squad LMG usage, depending on if anyone else has a LMG to bring, I will distribute them accordingly. It will really depend on what is available
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Post by ScottCollins on Dec 16, 2013 17:17:00 GMT -5
You also have a sniper if you want me to use it as such!
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 16, 2013 17:24:30 GMT -5
My friend has an Echo 1 BAR that he'll bring. And yes, Scott can be a sniper.. such a beautiful 1903.
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Post by insterburger on Dec 16, 2013 17:58:12 GMT -5
May I suggest 2nd Bat as much as possible sends regular US Army Infantry impressions? We have quite a few Airborne out this way, and it would be nice to have some balance on the Allied side (and something different to shoot at).
In addition to between 1-3 extra German impressions (depending on who can come along), I will also dig up my original US Army enlisted greatcoat that I'm sure someone will want to use. I believe it's a size 38. Anyone who it will fit who is interested in reserving it, let me know.
May also have a US helmet to augment some of 2nd Bat's generous impressions
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Post by ScottCollins on Dec 16, 2013 18:19:43 GMT -5
Hey if you don't mind, I'd actually like to borrow that inster.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 16, 2013 18:23:08 GMT -5
The overcoat? Got to him first, sorry. I think Jerry-ADK has one, though.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 16, 2013 19:24:14 GMT -5
I can send some BAR web gear and at least one spare BAR bandoleer. Regular Infantry set ups are my preference as well frankly as the M42s I'm afrad aren't going to give much warmth.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 16, 2013 19:47:43 GMT -5
Alright I'll tell him. He will appreciate it.
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Post by insterburger on Dec 16, 2013 20:29:37 GMT -5
According to the time stamps, Shifty did indeed PM me exactly 7m 01s before your post, Scott, so dibs is dibs. That said, I will consider you second in line in case of anything.
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Post by ScottCollins on Dec 16, 2013 21:26:17 GMT -5
Ahh, It's alright. I'll find something. I'll make sure to wear a nice sweater underneath it my M42's Haha! Edit: I think that mean we also have a few more Germans to kill!
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Dec 16, 2013 21:37:35 GMT -5
The overcoat? Got to him first, sorry. I think Jerry-ADK has one, though. Sorry boys, Migs called mine for his sone to wear.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 17, 2013 0:38:17 GMT -5
Surplus stores typically have inexpensive wool gloves in OD and grey which would be a good investment for this event.
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Post by SfcMigs on Dec 17, 2013 11:22:03 GMT -5
I recently purchased a bi-pod to attach to a M1928 Thompson with a drum mag. This can be designated a LMG and be a fixed position. I don't think anyone has a .30cal that will be attending, so this could be a nice touch.
Also, did I read that correctly 2nd Bat? Your attending this event? That is great news. Can't wait to finally meet you.
Also, an FYI. I tried my Marushin M1-Carbine in the cold and snow this past Saturday (20 degrees out) and it really didn't perform too well. I kept it outside under a light tarp for about a 1/2 hr and then test fired it. First couple of shots were fine and then it clearly lost it's FPS. Just for S's and giggles I tried my green gas WE1911 and that was a miserable disaster! Oh well.
Another point is for those bringing Thompsons. Remember that they are susceptible to cracking in the cold. Right where the barrel meets the receiver. Good idea to wrap them to keep some what warm.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 17, 2013 13:05:39 GMT -5
In the cold it is best not to use the sling at all on a thompson as believe it or not that will cause enough stress to break it. My suggestion in the Winter is to remove the sling altogether. If you must use it, use it in the correct manner with the muzzle down. (less stress on the barrel area that breaks and water doesn't go down the muzzle.).
My travels this month allowed me to come so indeed I will be there. Brownien has asked me to conduct the squad training portion.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Dec 17, 2013 14:38:27 GMT -5
I recently purchased a bi-pod to attach to a M1928 Thompson with a drum mag. This can be designated a LMG and be a fixed position. I don't think anyone has a .30cal that will be attending, so this could be a nice touch. Also, did I read that correctly 2nd Bat? Your attending this event? That is great news. Can't wait to finally meet you. Also, an FYI. I tried my Marushin M1-Carbine in the cold and snow this past Saturday (20 degrees out) and it really didn't perform too well. I kept it outside under a light tarp for about a 1/2 hr and then test fired it. First couple of shots were fine and then it clearly lost it's FPS. Just for S's and giggles I tried my green gas WE1911 and that was a miserable disaster! Oh well. Another point is for those bringing Thompsons. Remember that they are susceptible to cracking in the cold. Right where the barrel meets the receiver. Good idea to wrap them to keep some what warm. Migs I just did a similar test with my AGM mp40 to see how it would perform in the cold. It has also ended in a miserable disaster. Something broke or jammed inside the gearbox after about an hour of using it and it would no longer fire. I opened up the gearbox to see what was up and some parts went flying. Been trying to find info on reassembly but haven't found much good info yet on how to do that specific to this gun. I'll keep looking, anyone know much about this gun? Help!
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Post by insterburger on Dec 17, 2013 14:57:02 GMT -5
Yikes! We better hope for a warm spell for this event, or we may end up throwing sticks and stones at each other...
Jerry-- I have some experience working on the MP40 internals. Feel free to PM me and tell me exactly what's going on.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 17, 2013 15:28:57 GMT -5
Should I use blowback grease in the winter? I was thinking the silicon oil may freeze, just like real M1 gun oil.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 17, 2013 17:48:36 GMT -5
Handwarmers in mag pouches can help alleviate cold. Also when cooldown starts, change mags. That may help.
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Post by ScottCollins on Dec 17, 2013 17:58:46 GMT -5
Pretty much, the main point is, bring a backup gun so we won't have people sitting down cause they don't have a gun
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