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Post by DRK on Jan 15, 2014 15:35:08 GMT -5
there is a lot here so i will leave my face book account with all the photos with text. this is the airsoft related and crye gear coming down the pipe. i certainly think that new helmet type mandible will easily be cloned. www.facebook.com/DRKairsoftI'm here at the Sands Expo Center for Shot show 2014, The worlds Premiere Firearms and Law enforcement related convention for all the new concepts and products. Airsoft for many years in a row has but several booths. The Core brands are all here; G&G, ICS, KWA as well as the license Kingpins such as UMAREX & ASG. There is also Spartan imports and there is some smaller airsoft unknown brands i saw here such as JRAK industries. My First Stop was to not an airsoft manufacture, but to KRISS. why? Guess what, KRISS is getting into the airsoft market. The company name will be public soon but it will start with a K. I will get to see more once i head to MGV (Machine Gun Vegas) on Thursday with them. G&G has a lot of interesting things coming out this year. A 24K gold AKM that is EBB, MSRP is $700 (i'm already down for 1) with an eta at end of year. it will come with a custom wooden case, it will also use their new battery system in the lower handguard. The much talked about VSS is coming out in August as an ETA, the Blond wood is NOT the final production color. they are entering the support gun market.... with a MG42!!!!! while not super spot on, its their first support gun and a great compliment to their ww2 market. Speaking of which, their ww2 guns have expanded. their coveted M1 Garand is being hotly contested on the WW2 airsoft forum. ICS Garand will have 42 round magazine while G&G will have 200, BUT G&G has a tanaka-esque engine springfield coming out. So, finally if you ask me. there will be more WW2 airsoft games and really Korean War airsoft. Which i have barely heard take place in the States G&G has this new thread on barrel tracer, chrono and laser that will be used in a HIT CONFIRMATION system they have been working on. it has a built in 600 mAh USB rechargable LIPO battery. it will work with a PASGT looking helmet that has rails on it. similar to the Military MILES laser system. I got to try out the new Gen 2 M.E.T. targeting system. it was pretty cool to do the target shooting. i see it being a hit at your favorite local indoor place for competitions. G&G is sponsoring one in Imperial marinesan, France and ending in Taiwan. I have to say that G&G has really outdone themselves this year. its one thing to pump out m4's like a queen bee, but at least they are coming out with new concepts. I would rank them #1 in the brand name manufactures Tokyo Marui is also as shot show, they were spotted and came to the G&G booth yesterday. It was a pack of them and you couldn't tell until you read their pass badge. KWA. they have really shifted focus on gas, where as G&G is more an electric brand. The vz-61 skorpion that is GBB and will have 2 magazine sizes. 21 and 40, great for an insurgent 70's-80's look As reported by airsoftGI first, they have a gas mp40 coming. no stats posted but it's in 6mm vs the Marushin one put out a few years ago. the *vintage* looking polymer on it though, looks heavily like AK Plum furniture. i really think they should of put that color in their AK The Makarov made it, i cycled the slide a bit i feel it would be very snappy. like a PPK, but i feel the lower will not handle being used as a bottle opener.
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Post by stuka on Jan 15, 2014 17:32:00 GMT -5
Thats pretty neat stuff, hopefully it actually comes out but I wish there was more ww2 stuff =/
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Post by brownien on Jan 15, 2014 18:43:22 GMT -5
It seems like G&g may have pushed the M1 to the back burner to put all its manpower into that lazer targeting system thing. That would explain a lot!
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Post by halfnelson on Jan 15, 2014 19:00:35 GMT -5
Everything looks great, especially their Garand! A real bummer about the 200 round hi-CRAP mag though. Pretty much kills it for me, I'm afraid. I'm one of those guys who HAVE to reload ever so often as it makes skirmishes alot more dynamic imo. It's cheaper as you don't need as many extra mags but it kills alot of the excitement when you don't have to worry about ammo count.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 15, 2014 19:17:46 GMT -5
I am with you on the hi crap magazine for the GnG Garand. Unless there is something extremely dynamic about it. (Top loading) (requires a bolt charge every eight rounds) (who knows? But something cool) the high cap design has drained my interest as well. Crazy, as there is no way a long, heavy, historically significant rifle is going to appeal to anyone but the collectors and us historical airsoft geeks. The spray and pray, run and guns, will have no interest and a high cap isn't going to win them over. The authentic looks (which they appear to have captured) and loading systems that match our style of play is what is called for. The " I need to add this to collection" chairsofters don't care about mag capacity either. With all the effort, hand wringing and thought that went into the rifle you'd think GnG would have figured that out.
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Post by DRK on Jan 15, 2014 19:44:46 GMT -5
I think the mg42 was the highlight of their booth. It just killed the A&K mg42 that just came out. It gives is more time to stack money and we now know whose is best.
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Post by halfnelson on Jan 15, 2014 19:47:11 GMT -5
I hear you. The rifle looks extremely good and just the fact that you might actually be able to mount a real bayonet on it makes it just that bit cooler (even though it would just be for display purposes)! I'll probably wait until it's out before I decide which one, this or the ICS, to get. This one wins on the looks department though!
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Post by drunkalbertan on Jan 15, 2014 23:03:32 GMT -5
KWA and gas MP40?? Hell yeah! G&G MG42 double hell yeah!!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 16, 2014 12:36:28 GMT -5
The GnG Garand definitely is a plus when it comes to overall looks relative to the ICS. The fieldwork rubber bayonet fits on a real Garand (with slight tweaking) so it will probably fit on a GnG it would appear. The GnG German machine gun looks promising indeed but it all comes down to functionality, durability and price (like all these things). Isn't exciting that there are so many places we can dump money with regard to WW2 weapons. AWESOME!
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 16, 2014 16:03:18 GMT -5
The bolt on the G&G garand looks a bit high. I know I'm nitpicking, but it looks similar to the ICS instead of the Marushin which is more sunk down. The rest of the gun looks better than the ICS though. And I bet (not sure as I have never messed with one) you could fill part of the mag with plastic, foam etc. to reduce capacity.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 16, 2014 17:55:03 GMT -5
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Post by brownien on Jan 16, 2014 18:04:54 GMT -5
And the airsoft community rejoices!
G&G is such a tease! All that tape and mystery just to end up having the same kind of mag as the ICS! Glad to hear the m1903 will be coming out before the m1! Don't think I could wait another 3years for that.
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Post by newcomer on Jan 16, 2014 18:26:04 GMT -5
all that secrecy for the exact same effect? and here I was expecting some innovative top loading design
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 16, 2014 18:34:23 GMT -5
The news about it NOT being a high cap is fabulous. Twenty rounds is great although as we all know typically in an AEG you consistently get 3-4 BBs that gap between the magazine and the tapet plate inside the gun and drop out whenever you reload. That would realistically mean 16 or 17 reliable rounds. I have no issues with that provided spare clips are reasonably priced (not a strong suit for GnG). Obviously to be skirmishable one will need to have a bunch of them. Another small concern is it appears that like my ICS the clip will be too big for the Garand belt pouches. A bit of a pity but not a deal breaker for me, like a high cap magazine would have been. Incredible that they are still months and months away from a release date. (By Spring is Chinese for maybe by Christmas) This is disconcerting as I've learned the hard way that when it comes to eventual releases of new products a lot can happen to airsoft companies in the course of several months.
Assuming it's a nice as it appears it WILL be in my Armory. Whether or not I also buy oe of their M1903s it all depends on its skirmishability and functionality reports about the Springfield. These low capacity, super authentic weapons if widely adopted will have a terrific effect on the emmersive nature of our events.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 16, 2014 18:41:42 GMT -5
Indeed it is, and this really seals the deal for me.
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Post by brownien on Jan 16, 2014 18:55:31 GMT -5
The operating system of the m1903 seems to be the same as their kar98, which despite the initial lemons, seems to be a good gas system. With the cross compatibility of both said guns, and both gas and CO2 mags going to be available, I would hope to say its going to be as skirmishable as the redfire kar98k. I will absolutely be picking one of those spring fields up when available, and I will surely implement the same mods as I did with my kar98k
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Post by stuka on Jan 16, 2014 19:26:22 GMT -5
I may have to use the '03 for my ija loadout lol. Gotta start saving up for that sucker
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Post by halfnelson on Jan 16, 2014 20:31:12 GMT -5
YEEEEEEEEES! Holy cow! I literally did a backflip in my chair when I saw that. Crazy good news! If it'll be priced around the same amount as their M14's I'll pick one up without hesitation.
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Post by DRK on Jan 17, 2014 1:58:23 GMT -5
The Springfield, yea it's tanaka engine. I wrote esque, but for you guys. The flat out truth is the G&G reps plainly said its tanaka. It's kinda odd how this shot show, at least in the genre for airsoft. The gains belong to the ww2 players. Kwa mp40, G&G mg42, garand, spring field. When I asked what does this mean further down the road with further era guns, they have interest in exploring further. They aren't exactly taking requests. But it's just great news to hear. Next years show already has me pondering.
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Post by stuka on Jan 17, 2014 10:42:23 GMT -5
indeed, unless of course they still haven't finished their stuff lol
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Post by newcomer on Jan 17, 2014 17:49:54 GMT -5
I must admit that the Springfield becomes more tempting the more I look at it. I need to research how commonly it was used by the army, such an elegant rifle IMO.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 17, 2014 18:47:04 GMT -5
Nearly as many Springfields were produced as Garands and of course there were many, many, Springfields in the Armys inventory before we entered and no Garands. These Springfields however were scattered throughout the Army. In the Infantry Regiment there was one per squad thus 27 in every Infantry Company. These were the designated sharpshooter but even more significant the m1903 was more popular than the Garand for shooting rifle grenades hence the Springfield operator was both sharpshooter and grenadier frequently.
In the Battle of the Bulge a lot of rear eschelon types found themslves on the front line serving as riflemen and many of them had Springfields or carbines. My father was briefly trapped at SPA due to the Ardennes Offensive and with rumors of enemy armor and artillery looming in the distance he grabbed a Springfield. He was offered a Garand or Carbine but chose the Springfield because he was National Guard before the war started and it was all he had been trained on.
The challenges of a bolt action rifle will always limit its adoption at any airsoft event but I think it will be awesome to see them. They will no doubt be rare enough to be super cool.
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Post by DRK on Jan 17, 2014 18:52:44 GMT -5
Oh it was, finger banging it was so much fun.
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Post by compfire on Jan 19, 2014 10:05:09 GMT -5
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Post by newcomer on Jan 19, 2014 14:20:51 GMT -5
@2nd bat
thanks for the in depth info! Our squad DOES need a rifle grenadier, so I think I'll volunteer myself.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 19, 2014 18:37:14 GMT -5
There is a version adapter for the mosscart type grenades that looks quite a bit like the muzzle mounted US Rifle grenade. The "primer" of the shell is activated by the shot of a BB. Not terribly unlike the rifle grenade which was propelled by a super heavily loaded blank.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Feb 15, 2014 12:03:28 GMT -5
Glad to see another MG 42 entering the market soon. Hopefully there will be a g43 in the works if things keep heading towards the vintage market as they seem to be in the realm of airsoft manufacturing. As WW2 airsoft gains more momentum and rules such as low caps start to really come into play may be these big manufacturers will start to cater more to this market or at least consider our need for low cap mags.
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Post by stuka on Feb 15, 2014 18:40:20 GMT -5
well also, E1 is making a vz30 for w/e reason. It's not like we haven't been asking for brens or type96/99's... don't think anybody asked for a zb30 >.>
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 16, 2014 2:05:20 GMT -5
The wood pattern on the springfield with its bold grained pattern is a bit over the top and certainly doesn't reflect a military issued rifle but that's an easy fix.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Feb 16, 2014 11:24:55 GMT -5
Yes, I'm just glad there's a commercially available M1903 for less than $1,000.
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