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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 26, 2014 11:54:03 GMT -5
This is very very preliminary and no doubt many years away but at SHOT SHOW the booth representing ARES stated that they were in development of an M1 carbine and M1 Garand AEG to add to their WW2 and vintage line. www.airsoft2day.com/news/1257-zshot-at-shot-show-2014.htmlWow an AEG carbine (No doubt much much nicer than the hokey WELL carbine) would be a fabulous new offering and still another M1 Garand AEG woud be great as well. I would love it if hundreds of us immediately send them supporting inquiries. credit to Heckman for spotting this obscure comment about their plans.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 26, 2014 17:35:27 GMT -5
AEG blowback.. Hmm.. Additional stress on the gearbox. However, if it is EBB and chucks out empty en blocs, I'm in.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 27, 2014 0:30:14 GMT -5
You're kidding of course. Blow back on a Garand AEG if done well would actually be pretty cool. It would be one way to set it apart from the ICS and GnG. Far more then the Garand whos vacancy is filled the carbine AEG is potentially very good news.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 27, 2014 11:13:57 GMT -5
I am indeed very excited about the carbine AEG. About the Garand, electric blowback puts a lot of extra stress on the gearbox. Oh well. I'll probably have a machine shop make a custom steel gearbox shell. If it ejected clips I would certainly purchase it. Just imagine, the kick from that op rod and bolt though..
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 27, 2014 13:22:01 GMT -5
Aeg blow backs really don't provide anything even remotely close to the kick of a rifle. Its more of a visual thing then a physical thing and the impact on durability in my opinion just isn't worth it. One upside is at WW2 style events fewer rounds are fired so the stress is not as great as it would be for traditional "spray and pray, Bb fests)
For airsoft skirmishing I don't want anything flying out of my weapon other then Bbs. Hence an ejecting enblock that one would worry about losing is just silly (other then plinking.) It would however be kind of cool if somehow you had to rack the bolt perhaps for every eight rounds or some such action being designed in. All of this of course is years and years down the road but fun to think about and debate.
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Post by newcomer on Jan 27, 2014 21:06:51 GMT -5
From my experience with the EBB PPSH and CYMA AK, its passable if you've never used a GBB.
The kick isn't there quite frankly, and it sounds more akin to a sewing machine.
As for the ejecting, IMO more stuff to fly out = more stuff to lose/can break; the army isn't giving us free en-blocs in this case. though I tend to be a bit too pragmatic. for my own good.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 28, 2014 0:02:08 GMT -5
There is enough to deal with regard to things that can go wrong and fail as it is. At airsoft games typically 1 in 8 guys seem to have their guns go down for one reason or another during tactical phases (less with folks who are well prepared and more with folks who are clueless and unfamiliar with their equipment) Blow back just adds to the potential failures with little upside. The action is sophomoric at best and certainly doesn't generate a "kick" For film work it's pretty cool. I'm trying to think of ways the Ares could distinguish itself from the ICS and GnG...Top loading as discussed elsewhere would be cool. enhanced sound or muzzle flash built in. The mind wanders...
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 28, 2014 10:23:14 GMT -5
I remember in the uk someone made an Mg42 with LEDs in the muzzle cone, which was pretty cool. That would be possible, with the battery in the gas cylinder.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 28, 2014 11:30:08 GMT -5
There are companies experimenting with both muzzle flash and augmented sound effects which ultimately I think would be very cool. The audible sounds is somewhat less then a .223 but not by much. They even can select various sounds for various weapons. Currently the devices are set up in an oversized silencer looking cone which is too distracting for me but there is discussion about setting them up on web gear which would be great.
This would do a good job of breaching that Blank Fire chasm (though certainly not completely). Even if a $100.0 to $125.00 item the savings in blanks would pay for itself very quickly. Apparently they are concerned with the small size of the potential market (i think it is much bigger then they realize) and liability with regard to hearing loss. They are trying to find the sweet spot where it is loud enough but not too loud.
I am extremely interested in this technology as it would really add a lot. At RECONDO school we require that all participants use tracer elements on their guns. They may or may not use tracer BBs (up to them). We do it for the muzzle flash which makes night action viable and safer as distances apart tend to be far greater. A fire fight with 40 plus guys all using tracers is very fun to watch. BBs have weird trajectories!
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 28, 2014 11:35:08 GMT -5
With the sounds, combined with looped battle ambience would be amazing, but I see issues with cops arising when someone hears machine guns and planes carpet-bombing an area lol.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 28, 2014 14:33:23 GMT -5
There are several reasons why a sound decible level louder and cooler sounding then our current "woodpecker" effects would be nice but obviously there are upsides to it being quieter than actual gunfire. With the abbreviated ranges even 1/4th to 1/3rd as loud would be great.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 28, 2014 15:12:38 GMT -5
I would agree with that statement, that's enough to cover up the sewing machine sound but now so much as to cause deafness or law enforcement issues as mentioned above.
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Post by tootall on Feb 14, 2014 15:06:40 GMT -5
I know of a way to produce that 1/3 to 1/4 sound or report. A movie trick, which is a well guarded secret, is dropping a drop of oil onto a hot metal surface. How it is done is the secret, but it is incased in the weapon.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 14, 2014 17:21:37 GMT -5
Hmmm are you saying its something inside the gun? The sound and flash effects I saw were electronic and just ran off the existing battery in the gun. Speaker and led driven. The led produces a very bright flash and the little speaker inside a tuBe that looked like a silencer created the sound obviously for WW2 we'd have to find a better way visually to enhance the report. Perhaps something on your web gear?
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Feb 15, 2014 11:18:36 GMT -5
I am certainly excited about the advancements in airsoft tech that may be coming down the pike. I was thinking that for WW2 purposes, and to keep the devices as unobtrusive as possible they could design one in foe wood that could be mounted on the gun somewhere. Speaker tech has gotten very tiny. My iPad has teeny speaker but yet is able to produce a lot of sound. If all we want to do is augment the sound of our guns to cover up the sewing machine noise and give it more pop, that could be done with a small tube with a small speaker at the end not much larger than a sharply marker. And if it is playing a recording of a gun sound a mp3 player could be activated with a switch mounted to the trigger or gearbox. One of the nice things about airsoft is how quiet it is though allowing us to avoid complaints from our neighbors.
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Post by mash328 on Mar 13, 2014 16:21:51 GMT -5
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Post by brownien on Mar 13, 2014 17:03:58 GMT -5
Yea, I saw that on Facebook! Being CO2 powered, I wonder if they will be pretty interchangeable magwise with the marushin. Either way I want that para stocked one!
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Post by mash328 on Mar 13, 2014 17:19:45 GMT -5
Ya the para stock version looks really cool and I agree I hope the magazines are interchangeable and or less expensive than the marushin! Now we just need that AEG version ha
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Post by aj czarkowski on Mar 13, 2014 20:19:59 GMT -5
Oh my God. Please don't be $400... lol
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Post by newcomer on Mar 13, 2014 21:24:39 GMT -5
mighty murphy will see that is 500 dollars, and limited edition to boot.
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