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Post by insterburger on Mar 14, 2014 16:56:55 GMT -5
That's awesome, welcome back. The community is finding a uniformity of thought which is nice to see. I have no issue with red kill rags I just hate seeing them being waved as folks walk through a firefight between belligerants. Movement and sound is so distracting and mobile "Dead people" just really piss me off. I want people once hit to provide a nice satisfying "death" and to remain stationary for at least three to five minutes giving an opportunity for the opponent to search the body (a designated pocket). We play so eliminated playersare as discreit as possible. (Within reason). I went to an event once where eliminated players could be recovered by medics but if the flow of the action left them isolated and unrecoverable they waited a set amount of time and then returned to their casualty collection point in E&E mode. Evade and Escape mode. They could again be shot but they couldn't shoot back. This encouraged stealth and alertness and makes "lone wolf" players think twice about that style of play. It also added some "play time" to each mission phase as your return to respawn might be the most intense part of the mission phase. I am liking just about everything talked about in the various posts above. Here's hoping we can incorporate at least some of it this weekend. Thanks Jer, Raimund, 2ndBat, and all for these insights. This hobby is on the right course.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 14, 2014 18:44:39 GMT -5
Good to have some dialogue and sharing of thoughts. See you this evening? I am going to stay at Jerrys In Laws again. long long drive from Augusta Maine today but at least it didn't snow!
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Post by SfcMigs on Mar 15, 2014 0:29:45 GMT -5
Just made it to the hotel. Very tired, but anxious to see everyone in the morning.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Mar 15, 2014 1:53:22 GMT -5
That's awesome, welcome back. The community is finding a uniformity of thought which is nice to see. I have no issue with red kill rags I just hate seeing them being waved as folks walk through a firefight between belligerents. Movement and sound is so distracting and mobile "Dead people" just really piss me off. I want people once hit to provide a nice satisfying "death" and to remain stationary for at least three to five minutes giving an opportunity for the opponent to search the body (a designated pocket). We play so eliminated players are as discreet as possible. (Within reason). I went to an event once where eliminated players could be recovered by medics but if the flow of the action left them isolated and unrecoverable they waited a set amount of time and then returned to their casualty collection point in E&E mode. Evade and Escape mode. They could again be shot but they couldn't shoot back. This encouraged stealth and alertness and makes "lone wolf" players think twice about that style of play. It also added some "play time" to each mission phase as your return to respawn might be the most intense part of the mission phase. I really like this idea. I'd like to try to copy this at our next one.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Mar 15, 2014 18:36:14 GMT -5
How'd the first day go?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 16, 2014 15:14:29 GMT -5
The event went Wonderfully well. I once again was in New England when an event was going on so in spite of being from Seatle I was able to attend. I had a 6 hour drive from Augusta Maine but once again was hosted at jerrys in laws both Friday and Saturday night. I swear they are way way too nice to us. Breakfast both mournings and Dinner Friday night. it was cold and snowy when we arrived on Saurday morning and in spite of getting there well before the expected time there were lots of cars already there and gear and uniforms were getting issued out and fitted. All the loaner gear got used which was real cool. pleanty of spare weapons and magaines on hand and Nates Dad had biscuits and coffe/ hot chocolate. It was great to see so many new faces and so many first time WW2 airsofters It was quite cold early on Saturday but warmed up through the day. There were downsides to this as snow you could run on top of in the morning suddenly swallowed legs un predictably which made the going quite difficult. In the first battle I moved out early with a bolt action rifle with the plan that I would snipe the US forces shortly after they left their line of deparure and then surrender to them as a single old Volks soldier. I found a spot on their line of advance and went prone in a shallow depression and allowed them to walk by. They were too talkative at this stage and it was easy to tell what their order of movement was without even peeking above my dip in the ground. There were groupings a men with a large gap between elements. it made it impossible for me to engage the first two without getting knocked out by the trailing element so I devided topick off the last squad. Then I got greedy and decided I would wait until they passed well beyond me and then I would sneek up from behind. Their in the snow was easy to follow of course but my pace was way slower then theirs so I decided to angle more directly toward where I thought they were heading and upon seeing distant moement began my strealth mode. unfortunately I realized very quickly that the force I was shaddowing was about seen of my team mates. They were suddenly egaged and I realized there werescant forces between the Amis and Ludendorf so I fell back to help defend the town. That first engagement had the Germans main force in a pincher movement at the deep draw ravine and when their MG 42 and one of their MP 40s went down the officer surrendered his pistol insisting it be given to the ranking commander. SFC Migs had his element split into three squads and upon contact had the two trailing elements flank both left and right which really boxed them in.
The main Battle had the Germans reinforced with a couple well armed local FJs and their mission as before was to hold the town of Ludendorf and the castle and prepare the bridge for defense. The town fell qickly du to remarkably aggressive action by the americans and the Germans gave up the casle without a fight instead decideding to focus on preparing the bridge. After being allowed a frustratingly long time to get ready the US as finally allowed to attack. Hmmmmmmm in the acual battle I don't think the Germans were given the option of asking the Allies to hold off for a bit until they were ready. this went on until the Germans had bunkers and oblique defenses in place. The USattacked repeatedly and were continuously beated ack with severe casualties. There was lots of smoke employed and amazimgly effective grenade tosses by both sides which wre frequently momentum changers. The oblique position manned by a riflemen with an MP44 was extremely effective throughout the engagement as he couldn't be seen or engaged by attackers approaching straight onto the ridge approach whos main focus was the bunker across the river. At one point when the US seemed beaten the Germans conducted a bold counter attack and made it to the US side of the bridge onto to fall one at a time to the now defensive fires of the allies. Th survivors worked their way back to the Grman side and low on ambush and licking their wounds they fell to the fresh attack by the Americans. he defending germans were mostly Heer and Volks Army with three FJs and a few SS troopers who were unmercilly shot and not allowed to surrender in acordance to the US commander. The officer in charge of the bridge defense tried to escape once it was obvious all was lost but was executed by the Gestapo for his failure.
I was not planning to come so I had no impression of uniform but was graciously loaned a fabulous German civilian set up with liederhosen and tirolian jacket and hat along witha Volks arm band.
I had a ball. great seeing wonderful turnout and som many new faces. naturally Shifty and Scott, you were missed. I 'm sure there will be moreto follow by many others. Nate hit another homerun and built upon the lessons from the Bulge event.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Mar 16, 2014 16:12:40 GMT -5
Sounds like a great time. How many people came? And Nate, when are you planning your next event? Can't wait for pictures!
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Mar 17, 2014 6:58:24 GMT -5
I had a great time the first day! Especially the defense of the bridge!
Joshua and I didn't make the second day. All our guns were out of service! The "upgrade" of the MG-42's had a kink is so far as on one gun, the gears were not compatible with the piston and on the second, the gears we purchased, one had a defect. Such is life! We will be ready for the next event for sure.
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Post by SfcMigs on Mar 17, 2014 9:35:21 GMT -5
Sounds like a great time. How many people came? And Nate, when are you planning your next event? Can't wait for pictures! Initially there were 7 Germans against 11 Americans with one German Volksturm (2nd Batt). After the first battle, two more Germans showed, thus evening out the match. So there was roughly 20 players, which is very encouraging. This is obviously far better than the 7-10 we had at the last few events. We are starting to approach the 30-40 we used to have at the GZA events. So we seem to be on the right track. New players bring more new players, and so on and so on. My AAR to follow.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Mar 17, 2014 14:03:27 GMT -5
Excellent news that doing it right you guys are gaining numbers.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Mar 17, 2014 16:18:36 GMT -5
Here is a bit of footage from the last skirmish of the first day. After digging in and preparing defenses the Germans attempt to hold the bridge and stop the Americans from crossing. They put up a valiant fight in the face of overwhelming waves of American Infantry. In one last ditch effort a gallant Obergefrieter of the 3rd Fallschirmjager Regt. leads a charge across the bridge to try and stop the Americans. The effort was in vain as the Americans quickly cut them all down leaving none standing. The bridge was soon taken and the first American bridge head was established across the Rhein into the German Homeland.
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Post by insterburger on Mar 17, 2014 19:15:25 GMT -5
Nice footage! I'll get into it more in the AAR, but if you look at about the 16 second mark, you can see my boots as I run off the right of the screen. I was in an advance "suicide" position with crossing fire that provided withering support onto the German left flank, but was running out of ammo. The charge completely distracted the Americans and allowed me to evacuate the position, work up the river bank, and come around the American rear to casue some mayhem... at least for a short while.
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Mar 18, 2014 9:29:36 GMT -5
After Action Report:
… After losing the first objective due to a tactical mistake in which we allowed our center to be split into two fronts against superior numbers and firepower; we decided to abandon the second objective to the allied advance and quickly fall back to the bridge where allied numbers would be less of an obstacle!
In our team’s defense during the delay of game due to preparations, we had several guns go down during the first objective and mainly the MG-42 stripped a gear rendering the gun inoperable. So most of the time preparing the defense of the bridge was actually spent gathering weapons!
Anyway, back to the AAR… I apologize if I stepped on anyone’s toes, but I took command of the field units in order to prepare the bridge defense!
In preparation, I had ordered two makeshift firing positions to be created to the right of the bridge to provide crossing fields of fire. One position was dedicated to over-watch the bridge and the other position was created to over-watch our positions across the river on the allied banks.
On the allied side of the bridge, I had ordered a man with a STG-44 to entrench a position along the bank of the river into a nice size mound with a perfect lane of fire to the allied entrance to the bridge. Two other German defenders were to make a show on the allied side of the bridge falling back to allow the allies to quickly feel confident about their advance.
Soon the allies advanced! They laid down an impressive wall of smoke and covering fire but were no match for our entrenched positions! The sounds of guns on both sides of the bridge could clearly be heard as the ensuing disorder and chaos began! Grenades began to explode all over the place! Lucky for the German forces that were entrenched, no grenades made their way into our deep and well-fortified positions; although, a few German defenders outside of the dug in positions were less fortunate.
Soon everything was a lot more quite. The first allied advance was stopped in its tracks and our lone gunman on the allied banks was still alive and well. Thanks mainly to his well repaired position and the two guys that we dedicated to providing covering fire over his position!
Then came the second wave of allies; smoke, grenades and guns going wild. We had a tough time getting our magazines out of our pouches in time enough to reload our guns… there seemed to be so many that we ordered our first mortar barrage! Our mortars were Roman candle fireworks that were meant as a prop and for show. It did seem to have an effect on the moral of our men and we held out against the allies again! That and with the help of some potato mashers!
Then came another wave of quite. This time a good many of our guns were out of commission. We were down to a few rifles and potato masher grenades! Many men were wounded! So we sung some German war songs and our lad on the allied bank sang with us! Moral was high and I wanted to break the Allied spirits before we ran out of ammo and would be forced to yield the bridge. So I gathered all those men who were otherwise unable to fight. We issued each man a grenade and organized zones in which they were to unleash hell! I lead the charge! “Angriff! Angriff!! LOS LOS!!! Feuer frei! Feuer frei!“ I yelled as we made haste accross the brige..............
It was a massacre... our massacre! Before I died with at least a few hundred rounds into my belly... I saw the fear in the young allied lads eyes. Our dedication to the defense of the fatherland would be burned into his eyes and mind for the remainder of the war!
After the counter attack, the German regulars surrendered. But the brutal Americans took no prisoners and exicuted the lot of them.
END AAR.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 18, 2014 19:55:59 GMT -5
Nice report and unlike many tales of war quite accurate as the valiant fight by both sides was quite remarkable to watch. The smoke was put to great use and the amazingly accurate grenade throws by both sides were incredible to behold. Conducting a channalized attack against a fortified postion is extremely difficult but the Americans were unrelenting knowing the importance of the bridges capture before darkness set in. Thanks to generous regen rules the Germans had lots and lots of GIs to kill and they did so as long as ammo and gearboxes held up. The suicide counter attack was an example of exhilerating game play and good sportsmenship.
I have more footage from throughout the first day that I will send to Jerry to share. Great weekend. Nice to see so many familiar faces and meet new ones that I had nly known through posts on this website. SFC Migs what a fabulous father son outing. Your kids are blessed to have a dad who isn't too embarrassed to let them know that getting older doesn't neccessarily mean growing up! Peter Pans spirit lives in you my friend! Nates father who didn't participate on the field at this event was there with food, firewood and good cheer. You have raised two amazing young men.
Grahams dad provided transport and support to his son and two of his young friends and of course Jerry and Mark, always such a delight to see you guys again. Nate recruited several new players and it was so nice to see the loaner gear being used. They really got into it and never complained about the packs, clumsy gear, limited ammo or reduced rates of fire. i was especially impressed with the young man who lugged the BC 1000 all weekend. Another great event.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Mar 18, 2014 20:13:07 GMT -5
It was a massacre... our massacre! Before I died with at least a few hundred rounds into my belly... I saw the fear in the young allied lads eyes. Our dedication to the defense of the fatherland would be burned into his eyes and mind for the remainder of the war! After the counter attack, the German regulars surrendered. But the brutal Americans took no prisoners and executed the lot of them. Sounds horrible! Especially the part about being out of working weapons and ammo. I think you guys need some crack German reinforcements for one of these battles in the future.
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Post by insterburger on Mar 18, 2014 22:14:27 GMT -5
I think you guys need some crack German reinforcements for one of these battles in the future. Na ja! Kampf doch mit!
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Post by SfcMigs on Mar 19, 2014 10:38:38 GMT -5
"SFC Migs what a fabulous father son outing. Your kids are blessed to have a dad who isn't too embarrassed to let them know that getting older doesn't neccessarily mean growing up! Peter Pans spirit lives in you my friend! Nates father who didn't participate on the field at this event was there with food, firewood and good cheer. You have raised two amazing young men."
Thanks for the kind words John. They do appreciate it and I appreciate them! I was very proud of the way they fought and endured the cold and the snow. My favorite parts of the day just involved the snow. the first was during the first scenario, I spotted my son Dean who was folded into 1st squad at the top of the ravine (I was already across with my son Grant). Suddenly he was taking on fire while he was reloading. In a move right out of a Hollywood stunt, he slid down the steep incline of the ravine, holding his Thompson in one hand and his mag in the other. It looked so professional, especially with him wearing the GI trench coat that helped his slide. When he reached the bottom, he went into a kneeling position, put in his mag and returned fire. I'm such the proud father!
My other favorite moment was witnessed by 2nd Batt. as we were making our way to the U.S. CP for the 2nd scenario, my left foot sunk into the snow up to my knee. Unable to pull my foot out, my balance gave way and my right foot folded forward and I feel flat on my face. Before the fall, I managed to throw my arms up in the air to protect my weapon, thus adding to the hilarity. John said he got a picture of it, so I'm hoping I can see that one. Very embarrassing, but very funny.
I'll be back with my AAR soon,
Migs
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 19, 2014 18:35:46 GMT -5
Wow. i did get the picture but all it had was the least attractive part of your body filling the lense. Deleted it I'm afraid. As the temperatures went up, the footing became increasingly unpredictable. Your briefing at CHECKPOINT RED was a classic NCO run down and I wish I had it on tape because it was really quite cool. Fighting in the snow was pretty neat and the players managed the conditions amazingly well. Sadly airsoft guns didn't manage the cold nearly as well. There were lots of down weapons which in fact was quite common on the Eastern front and during the battle of the bulge. To my knowledg no one had to urinate on their guns to free them up.
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Post by SfcMigs on Mar 20, 2014 9:40:41 GMT -5
Wow. i did get the picture but all it had was the least attractive part of your body filling the lense. Deleted it I'm afraid. As the temperatures went up, the footing became increasingly unpredictable. Your briefing at CHECKPOINT RED was a classic NCO run down and I wish I had it on tape because it was really quite cool. Fighting in the snow was pretty neat and the players managed the conditions amazingly well. Sadly airsoft guns didn't manage the cold nearly as well. There were lots of down weapons which in fact was quite common on the Eastern front and during the battle of the bulge. To my knowledg no one had to urinate on their guns to free them up. Yeah, I figured you just got my rear. Too bad, the fall was classic. As for the NCO briefing, I appreciate the compliment. I do my best. I just wish we executed a better attack on the Bridge. I think the delay and waiting for the Germans to fortify their positions threw us off. As did the netting to our right flank. It actually provided the Germans with a great advantage as we could not attack from the right flank, and with them having a MG to the left, we were really stuck with a straight up the gut attack. But either way, it was a lot of fun. Can't wait for some pictures.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 20, 2014 16:26:39 GMT -5
Had you actually attacked when you were ready it truthfully would have been historically correct. While certainly some defenive preperation had been made, the american attack was a surprise the Germans were ill prepared to throw back. Choas is a key element of war as is being attacked while in the midst of preperation and reinforcement.
An attack when you were ready no doubt would have been successful but not nearly as much fun once their weapons were up and positions in place. The netting was definitely problemaic but thankfully nate had taken quite a bit of it down.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Mar 21, 2014 15:53:08 GMT -5
John, could you email me the pic of myself the second day? with the erbsentarn?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 21, 2014 20:28:03 GMT -5
Yes. I don't know what that is but i will assume it is one of your many fabulous impressions.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Mar 21, 2014 20:40:49 GMT -5
Yes. I don't know what that is but i will assume it is one of your many fabulous impressions. It's his 44 dot pattern tunic or "pea dot" camo.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 21, 2014 20:53:50 GMT -5
Jerry did i get pictures sent off to you? Or just the video segments?
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Post by SfcMigs on Mar 22, 2014 19:58:12 GMT -5
U.S. Group shot. Great Variety of Weapons.
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Post by SfcMigs on Mar 24, 2014 17:19:31 GMT -5
Anymore pictures coming?
Please email them out or post them. Real anxious to see them.
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