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Post by gunslinginotaku on Jun 17, 2014 17:09:16 GMT -5
As far as I'm aware for NCO's, the breast eagle, shoulder boards and collar tabs were applied to the HBT uniform (when available) but I've seen multiple sources tell me that they also had sewn on the Unteroffizier collar tresse, but I've also seen contradictions state the collar tresse was NOT sewn on, I've also seen images of both. Can someone shed a bit of light on this? trying to recreate an Unteroffizier impression, already did tresse on my wool, just need to know about the HBT.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jun 17, 2014 17:35:42 GMT -5
If you want it on, go for it. If not, don't.
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Post by aldrich on Jun 17, 2014 17:36:37 GMT -5
The HBT's were a summer issue uniform. They were by no means the "official uniform" issued to the troops. I believe, in theory, one was even supposed to return their HBT at the end of the summer, just like you would your winter gear. While some soldiers had ample time on their hands and decided to spiff up their collar with the tresse, others probably chose not to, seeing how it was a stand in summer tunic. I would say it is up to you. You see the same thing with the reed green HBT drill uniforms that some Germans wore in the summer during the early to mid-war period. (coincidentally, soldiers wearing these uniforms in the field were the inspiration to start issuing the HBT uniforms) While many soldiers left them blank, some chose to add tunic insignia. It was really up to the soldier and what is CO permitted him to do as long as it was within regulation.
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Post by gunslinginotaku on Jun 17, 2014 23:17:17 GMT -5
The HBT's were a summer issue uniform. They were by no means the "official uniform" issued to the troops. I believe, in theory, one was even supposed to return their HBT at the end of the summer, just like you would your winter gear. While some soldiers had ample time on their hands and decided to spiff up their collar with the tresse, others probably chose not to, seeing how it was a stand in summer tunic. I would say it is up to you. You see the same thing with the reed green HBT drill uniforms that some Germans wore in the summer during the early to mid-war period. (coincidentally, soldiers wearing these uniforms in the field were the inspiration to start issuing the HBT uniforms) While many soldiers left them blank, some chose to add tunic insignia. It was really up to the soldier and what is CO permitted him to do as long as it was within regulation. Ahhh thanks for the insight. I did read alot about having to "return" the tunic and it seemed to not have fairly often. I've also (like I stated) seen photos of both insignia and none, so as a "temporary" garment, I can see why one would avoid placing any insignia at all. I'm glad it's one where it is my choice, sewing the breast eagle and litzen was one thing, that tresse was 8 hours of hell! |
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jun 18, 2014 5:34:39 GMT -5
They were not intended for summer use- they were intended for work. They originated as the Drillich cut tunics, which were intended as a work uniform, not for summertime issue.
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Post by insterburger on Jun 18, 2014 7:24:21 GMT -5
My understanding is that there is truth in both sides. They definitely originated as work uniforms, but by mid-war it's apparent that they were intended for summer use. The early-war true Drillich uniforms without the pockets (and at first in undyed off-white) were first and foremost for work detail, but their practicality led them to be adopted for summer combat use (and to be factory-dyed). By the time they transitioned to cuts that were based off of the wool uniforms-- pockets and all-- it's pretty clear that the intention was to produce a summer-weight combat uniform, basically making official (and better) what troops had been doing on their own.
As was said above, full insignia is right. No insignia is right. Any permutation in between is right. Also, HBT tunics with wool shoulder devices are perfectly correct.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Jun 18, 2014 13:09:45 GMT -5
The HBT's were a summer issue uniform. They were by no means the "official uniform" issued to the troops. I believe, in theory, one was even supposed to return their HBT at the end of the summer, just like you would your winter gear. While some soldiers had ample time on their hands and decided to spiff up their collar with the tresse, others probably chose not to, seeing how it was a stand in summer tunic. I would say it is up to you. You see the same thing with the reed green HBT drill uniforms that some Germans wore in the summer during the early to mid-war period. (coincidentally, soldiers wearing these uniforms in the field were the inspiration to start issuing the HBT uniforms) While many soldiers left them blank, some chose to add tunic insignia. It was really up to the soldier and what is CO permitted him to do as long as it was within regulation. Ahhh thanks for the insight. I did read alot about having to "return" the tunic and it seemed to not have fairly often. I've also (like I stated) seen photos of both insignia and none, so as a "temporary" garment, I can see why one would avoid placing any insignia at all. I'm glad it's one where it is my choice, sewing the breast eagle and litzen was one thing, that tresse was 8 hours of hell! I sewed on my collar tress in about 15 minutes with my sewing machine. If you don't have one maybe you could borrow one. I got a set of HBT for the summer and since my field rank is unteroffizier I did sew on the tress both collar and shoulder boards. I have not as of yet applied the breast eagle but will later. One could surmise that there were HBT tunics issued with NCO tress on them already for use if they were already turned in the year before. Unless they bothered to remove it for re issue. |
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Post by cblackthorne on Jul 28, 2014 9:12:29 GMT -5
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Post by cblackthorne on Jul 28, 2014 20:10:36 GMT -5
Yes you would see NCO tresse on HBTs.
I have several books that show original HBTs with it.
Regards,
Chris
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