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Post by volkssturm on Jan 8, 2015 21:03:30 GMT -5
Interesting thought, but it stretches plausibility a bit that WWI could have lasted 50 years. The French and British were pretty worn down by 1918, as were the Germans. The Germans had the added problem of food shortages. The only way I could see the Germans continuing would have been for them to pull back to sorter, defensible line, either near the old border or possibly surrendering the west bank of the Rhine and basing their defense on the river. If they could have gotten the agriculture of Ukraine going quickly enough it might have eased their food problems. But it's a pretty long shot. Especially with the US in the war.
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Post by droopaille on Jan 10, 2015 4:53:54 GMT -5
Hello, The french vid ask if it is possible to play WW1 airsoft and explains that WW2 movies and series make anthousiasm for players. But in one word it is possible ! In France we are on our third OP from WW1. At the begining there were few players, fews equipment but now it seems to look bigger an great. There are three rules for playing in WW1 style. - First, authorize only bolt rifles (and autorize all old school one) : not correct for the look but the game play is very particular and pleasant. - Make a field with trenchs, it is very important for the gameplay. - Play with gaz attack (smoke bomb) : all players must get out and put their mask and charge in close combat with rubber knives and maces. Equipment. French are difficults because there are lot of uniformes (7 for 5 years of war i remember) and gun doesn't exist (Berthier, mousqueton) English and scotich are easy, it is approximatly the same thing that early WW2. Also for US guys. Use the Lee Enfield Mk1 and the Springfield 1903 and trench shotgun German, i don't know for uniforms but the kar98 is common. I don't know for the prussian and russian. you can have machine guns but this is not a good idea for the gameplay. Only for the scenarii parts. Browning 1917 easy the modify from a 1919. Mine. Bar 1917, you just have to make a hand gard and nozzle. A made one for a friend. how to make a mace larp accessory (still for my friend but it is not finished yet) droopaille.forumgratuit.org/t76-casse-tete-ww1i.imgur.com/tlCsiTQ.jpgi.imgur.com/ChAzEh2.jpgi58.servimg.com/u/f58/18/33/51/55/ir131_10.jpgPics from the first OP plus.google.com/photos/104216996623389772857/albums/5867016937464465873?banner=pwawww.ww2airsoft.fr/phpBB2/album_cat.php?cat_id=36 i think you will have rights for looking, you can sign up www.ww2airsoft.fr/phpBB2/index.phpAnd how looks the battles
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Post by luftwelle93 on Jan 10, 2015 13:18:47 GMT -5
What an awesome post!Yea I think sometime down the road there will be a larger following for WWI airsoft.It seems it is at least getting there in Europe.Hopefully it will everywhere!
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Post by stuka on Jan 10, 2015 13:28:14 GMT -5
I thought the french only had the two main ones that you showed(Horizen blue and the blue/red) or are you also including the colony uniforms as well?
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Post by droopaille on Jan 10, 2015 14:04:34 GMT -5
you're right, i don't know why and where i read something about numerous uniforms, i get mixed up with something else.
Notice that i was born near from the first glorious event of the marine corps (in 1917) : belleau wood. There is a great canons cemetery.
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Post by stuka on Jan 10, 2015 16:21:46 GMT -5
I bet that's interesting to go to. I think, if you're including the colonies there are 4 variants but I could be wrong, regardless, horizon blue is pretty awesome
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Post by luftwelle93 on Jan 11, 2015 12:41:04 GMT -5
Interesting thought, but it stretches plausibility a bit that WWI could have lasted 50 years. The French and British were pretty worn down by 1918, as were the Germans. The Germans had the added problem of food shortages. The only way I could see the Germans continuing would have been for them to pull back to sorter, defensible line, either near the old border or possibly surrendering the west bank of the Rhine and basing their defense on the river. If they could have gotten the agriculture of Ukraine going quickly enough it might have eased their food problems. But it's a pretty long shot. Especially with the US in the war. They had it to where some Russian revolutionist took control of Russia and formed an alliance with Germany and formed an empire.Not sure how long the would of lasted in the real world if that happened in our timeline:DIts a decent game but they could of extended to battlefield levels a bit.Too much stealth missions for my taste.Speaking of French uniforms,I too love the horizon blue uniform Stuka
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 11, 2015 14:01:33 GMT -5
If I remember correctly (it's been a long time since I read it) Niall Fergusson in "The Pity of War" had an observation about had far countries could go after they were, in theory, exhausted. The World War ended in 1918, but local fighting kept going into the 1920's. The Russians, who'd been pushed to the point of collapse, were still able to fight a multi-year civil war, and fight a war with the Poles. The Turks, who also had largely collapsed, successfully fought off a Greek invasion of Turkey proper. You could I suppose build an alternate history where the war continues through periods of active fighting and "Cold War" while the opposing sides recuperate. It would be kind a fun to extrapolate how weapons and tactics would evolve. Things were beginning to take off with tanks, close air support, the German submachinegun and stosstruppen, the American automatic rifle (really just improving on the French concept that produced the Chauchat). The abrupt end of the war (everyone expected it to continue into 1919) put all that on the back burner.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Jan 11, 2015 14:08:48 GMT -5
It is a fascinating thought in how things would of turned out if German hadn't surrendered.By that time though Germany didn't have much strength and willpower anymore.Like you said volkssturm it is a wonder what the tactics and weapons would have been.I think it would be great if an airsoft event was to be based off this.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 13, 2015 12:23:54 GMT -5
Weapons and terrain decide tactics and many would argue that WW2 was really The Great WARs second chapter. I often wondered how 2nd World War weapons would have faired on those heavily entrenched, shell ravaged battlefields? The tanks of WW2 would have been less capable of mobility I suspect. Infantry weapons improved dramatically but of course the key change was airpower. Concentrated bomber strikes as was done at OPERATION COBRA on relatively focused trenchworks would have been devastating, rendering trench warfare impractical. With improved armored mobility, defense in depth and communications and logistics play a far greater role.
A game limited to bolt action rifles, rubber bayonets, airsoft shotguns and the occassional tripod mounted machine gun with decent trench lines would be a lot of fun I would think. To be even a little bit less of a stalemate I would think a lot of pyro and smoke would be needed and night time operations with flares would be a must. I can't imagine it would be credibly emmersive with less than 50 guys however and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Jan 13, 2015 18:46:46 GMT -5
Plus WWI uniforms,especially the French,in reproduction form is harder to find and more pricey.I'm hoping Hiki Shop does some more WWI stuff.
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Post by droopaille on Jan 13, 2015 18:57:31 GMT -5
I think you should try a game with 20 persons and next time it will be 30 pics and commentary games are good starters for guys which hesitate
we had make it in three years in france
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 13, 2015 20:35:24 GMT -5
With a very narrow front and some creativity i suppose you could make it work with 20 guys and as you said grow it from there!
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Post by droopaille on Jan 14, 2015 7:24:11 GMT -5
I don't know how do you play at home but here, the most wonderful games i 'de made were in low fellowship. I know that the mood is better with lot of people and accessories and vehicules. Play only with bolt guns and few ammunition it really different and combat stress and feeling are really upgraded. During the game of the video, one guy alone in his trench put the bads on defeat because he had load all rifles of his fallen and wounded friends and shot one by one. The bads believed that he was 4 or 5. A great great moment.
You can try with type of game in WW2, just blot guns, very low caps or few ammunitions.
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Post by droopaille on Jan 14, 2015 16:56:39 GMT -5
I find again the pics with gas mask
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Post by luftwelle93 on Jan 14, 2015 17:22:53 GMT -5
What a wonderful kit!The hypo-gas mask and jerkins are a nice touch.If you don't mind me asking,where do you all get your French horizon blue uniforms?I find French stuff in WWI fantastic and would love to get a French impression going.
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Post by droopaille on Jan 14, 2015 18:16:56 GMT -5
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Post by luftwelle93 on Jan 14, 2015 18:24:34 GMT -5
Thank you very much!I will definitely look into those.I've seen Spearheads stuff but wanted to know if they are any good.I just put up a thread specifically for that question here on the "impression section".Will hopefully see a large following of WWI airsofting.
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Post by droopaille on Jan 15, 2015 6:58:56 GMT -5
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Post by luftwelle93 on Jan 15, 2015 8:40:28 GMT -5
Amazing pics!You guys go all out on these events.If I'm desperate enough maybe I'll help organize official WWI airsoft events here.Perhaps create an airsoft group.
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Post by zam on Jan 17, 2015 4:04:03 GMT -5
US soldier 1918 October , with Bar (Droopaille handguard custom).
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 18, 2015 22:34:21 GMT -5
There is (or was) a Great War Airsoft Association: ww1aa.proboards.com/It doesn't look like there's been any new posts since 2013.
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Post by stuka on Jan 18, 2015 22:53:52 GMT -5
yeah, it's rather unfortunate. Here's hoping it builds up sometime soon. I feel like having a bolt action for each major nation would help greatly with ww1 airsoft. Kar98 could take the place of the gew98 as a carbine variant, the 1903a3 could take the place of the 1903/a1 the SMLE could well be a SMLE or a no.4 if they make that first. Unfortunetly I don't see a Lebel or Berthier coming out anytime soon which sucks because I would really be interested in making a ww1 french kit. Edit, technically they could use a type 38 arisaka as the Japanese did fight the Germans in the pacific but that wasn't to common, I guess they could be part of the "transferred" units on the western front. chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83025182/1915-01-18/ed-1/seq-1/Also, forgot to mention the Mosin, while slightly different from the ones used in WW1 they would fit technically more properly then the other rifles with the exception of if a SMLE comes out. I know these do exist but the SMLE, mosin and type 38 are expenisve and some don't work so well or just don't work so well (Mosin)
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Post by luftwelle93 on Feb 5, 2015 0:13:09 GMT -5
The only way I can see this happening in the US is hosting a small event at first and see how it goes.Making some Entente and Central Power units would help as well.Plus we could set certain guidelines for weapons and uniforms,less strict at first but still maintain some authenticity.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Feb 26, 2015 19:20:40 GMT -5
Anyone here reenact WWI in general?I've just got in a German unit and got some new stuff for my kit.
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Post by zam on Mar 9, 2015 6:56:00 GMT -5
Return OP WW1 "UKRAINE 1918" 7 & 8 mars 2015 near Paris. PHOTO album :https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153167575993829.1073741849.199226293828&type=1# : amafrance.phpnet.org/photos/thumbnails.php?album=69Only 22 members , great battle, beautiful uniforms, great fiesta after. Airsoft weapons : Mauser C96, Luger, Colt 45, Nagant 1895, Webley, kar98, Mosin Nagant, Arisaka, Lee-enfield customs, MP18 customs, plastic knives and swords... Tsarist Soldiers White army Bolcheviks Leaders ! With the defectives French and germans soldiers ! Germans with officer, the lost soldiers in the troubles of the eastern front ! French Soldiers ( Métropolitans, Spahi, Colonial, FT17 crewman) The RED CROSS The "REDS" Assault in the trenchs ! Les rouges pénètrent dans la redoute !
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 9, 2015 13:03:39 GMT -5
Fantastic! An armored train!
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Post by luftwelle93 on Apr 22, 2015 15:02:59 GMT -5
The armored train is pretty cool!Adds a little dimension to the sport. Your trench-work is very good too.It seams WWI airsofting is more larger in Europe.Now if someone made an MG 08/15,the drooling would not be stoppable
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Post by luftwelle93 on May 15, 2015 20:45:41 GMT -5
If it was up to me the rules for how to get the kit would be this... Germans1.Tunic- Hiki Shop sells both the M1907/10 and M15 feldbluse (M1907/10 $116.10 and M15 $107.10) 2.Trousers- Since this is airsoft WWII trousers will suit but if you want Hessen and Hiki has WWI pairs. 3.Helmet- Several sources including Amazon and eBay. 4.Boots- WWII German boots would do and even any other ankle boots.Jackboots would be fine in my opinion. 5.Puttees- Hiki has a source of Italian puttees that will do. 6.Bread bag- Hessen for around $30 7.Canteen- WWI canteen repros are expensive and harder to find but Swiss canteens are very similar and will do. 8.Shovel- Linnemann shovels are easy to find especially post-war types.Hessen sells the carriers for them. 9.Belt and buckle- Hessen has both but if you have a WWII belt already a WWI buckle might fit on.A regular black belt would work too to stand-in. 10.Gasmask- Hessen sells a set for over $100. British
What Price Glory seems to have most to start off a basic kit.Of course you don't need to have a 100% complete kit What Price Glory
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 30, 2015 14:34:42 GMT -5
Very cool thread. LZZAH and his father do WW1 BF reenacting and there is a trench work field set up somewhere here in the states.
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