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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 3, 2014 12:34:00 GMT -5
This may be premature, but early reports and even a few pictures from Taiwan indicate that some a the long awaited GnG M1 Garands have been shipped to promoters and retailers for display purposes. The word on the street there, is shipping will begin in the next two to three weeks. The pictures show the rifle and the shipping box. Frankly the packaging is the aspect that lends credibility to the reports. the rifle looks demensionally sound with none of the size infidelities of the ICS. (Oversizd hardware and large front gas assembly). No indication of price or performance as yet but that should be coming shortly. The wood looks good and being a GnG it should be a real sound offering. I had a GnG M14 and was quite happy with it.
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Post by stuka on Sept 3, 2014 14:48:10 GMT -5
could dimensional infidelities be spotted just from picture?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 3, 2014 15:14:46 GMT -5
Certainly the infidelities on the ICS were easy enough to spot. (The oversized front gas assembly, sling hardware and bulbous butt plate and of course the gap between the barrel and the gas assembly.) The overall shape and relative sizes on the GnG looked spot on although ths would be best determined when held side by side with an actual Garand. The ICS overall looks quite good when away from an actual Garand. Inspite of the nitpicky flaws in the ICS it remains my favorite airsoft rifle. I am hoping the GnG will take over that moniker.
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Post by Dracul on Sept 3, 2014 15:40:56 GMT -5
I hope with the G&G release, the market will get more upgrade parts.
On that note, does anyone know if G&G will be using a the ICS style gearbox or a Ver7 gearbox?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 3, 2014 17:59:49 GMT -5
Based on early reports (and logic) it will be the same proprietary gearbox GnG uses in their M14. Upgrade parts hardly seem necessary as the ICS is a hard shooter out of the box (400 plus FPS) and the GnG M14 shoots around 378 FPS so I expect the Garand will be similar. Performance wise its desireable for main battle rifles to be on the upper end of power limitations for most fields and commonly that is around 400 FPS although being semi auto some fields allow a bit more.
There was quite a bit of speculation on what the magazine capacity would be. I am a fan of standardizing things at 3 to one which means for the Garands actual eight rounds 24 would be ideal. The latest reports including comments from GnG reps indicates a 20 round capacity and like the ICS the intent to ship each rifle with two clips.
eight to ten magazines should be sufficient for skirmishing.
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Post by kiwi432 on Sept 3, 2014 21:50:08 GMT -5
Hello The friend of mine that received the m1, is not a airsofter, just interested in firearms in general. So trying to find out about the internals will have to wait a bit. But I will try to get some better pis in the next week or two. When I go to see it. Anyways a few retailers in Taiwan have also posted up some pics and have said that the price will be about $400 US. Don't take me for my word, it might be a little different. You can have a look here at some more pics. Just scroll down the page and you will see the G&G m1. If you can't access the link then I will post a few of them up here www.facebook.com/CWIAirsoft?ref=profilehere is also a picture of the magazine it also only holds 20rds I will try to post any more information that I get.
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Post by Dracul on Sept 4, 2014 9:56:40 GMT -5
Even if its G&G proprietary M14's gearbox, that means there is some sort of compatibility if something breaks.
Judging that size and shape of the mag.... I wonder if it can fit in the Garand Belt.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 4, 2014 10:11:21 GMT -5
Kiwi, thanks for your updates. Keep them coming! The four pictures on your facebook page are very telling. The replica looks fabulous. A pitty they didn't replicate some the more desireable aspects of the rare but valuable early Garands. (sight locks, stamped handguard clip, and single slot locking bolt but this is nitpicking). The clip is probably too big for the Garand pockets just as the ICS clips are. The finish looks right for both the metal and wood and the shape throughout looks right. The upper feed area looks identical to the offset top of the GnG M14 mags further indicating the shared internals of both. This means that though new it should be mechanically pretty sound and critical parts should be available if needed. At $400.00 it works although a simulated wood offering under $250.00 would facilitate sales and economy of scale.
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Post by kiwi432 on Sept 12, 2014 8:38:41 GMT -5
Ok, for some more good news. The G&G m1 garand is now on the Taiwan market for sale. At the price stated before. That means it will be available for international customers very soon.
They have said it is compatible with there M14 series. I am not sure how much is but that is what they are saying
The magazine also holds only 20rds,
I will let you know of more information as it comes
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Post by shiftysgarand on Sept 12, 2014 17:00:01 GMT -5
Finally! It sounds fabulous, and will be on my buy list.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 12, 2014 19:16:56 GMT -5
Mine too. This has been way too long in coming but appears at long last to be a reality. The 20 round magazine is fine in my book although with the usual 3 round drop that really means 17. Still more then double the load for a Garand enblock clip. (i consider three to one the ideal) but i won't complain if the gun proves to perform well and is durable.
it looks fabulous. What reliable retailers here in the states have them listed (even as pre sales) and at what price? Hopefully spare clips won't rape us too badly as one would need at least five spares I would think.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Sept 28, 2014 12:19:34 GMT -5
The G&G M1 is listed as in stock at CWI Airsoft for $399. Hopefully that means Hong Kong and US retailers will stick them soon.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 28, 2014 13:35:49 GMT -5
Not sure what CWI airsoft is? Does any stateside retailer have a pre order offering as yet? Normally I have had bad luck with pre orders and have been reluctant to do them but the current circumstances and my belief that this gun is actually imminent might change that policy.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Sept 28, 2014 16:47:37 GMT -5
CWI airsoft is in Taiwan. Since G&G is Taiwanese, they get guns before the rest of the world. Combatsportsupply has them on preorder, and they are in the States.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 28, 2014 17:48:26 GMT -5
I had never heard of combatsportsupply before. In going to their site I see they are in Meridian, Idaho. coincidently I just dove through there two weeks ago. i will be back again in January. Hmmmmmm? it would be awesome if they actually had them by then.
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Post by stuka on Sept 28, 2014 19:17:24 GMT -5
css has had them for preorder since g&g started giving release dates haha
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 28, 2014 20:49:41 GMT -5
wow! 2 years in a pre order would definitely piss me off!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 6, 2014 1:53:28 GMT -5
Okay. It has been a month since sales started in Asia. The norm is US retailers get items 30 to 60 days later so at this point the GnG Garand should show up within the month! i can't wait to get one and do a side by side comparison with the ICS.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Oct 6, 2014 20:17:31 GMT -5
I too will compare it to my Marushin version when it becomes available.
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Post by stuka on Nov 25, 2014 15:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by Dracul on Nov 25, 2014 16:54:57 GMT -5
But it reports 310fps with .20's? Thats extremely low, even for G&G's "Top Tech" standards. Before this could be called a bad thing, does any one know if Ireland has Japan like FPS Limit Laws? That I would understand, but if not, 310 is pretty bad. Especially since their M14's usually float around 400fps w/ .20's.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 25, 2014 17:14:28 GMT -5
Ireland has 1 J limits. A previous report somewhere said it would shoot 360-ish, which is perfectly skirmish able. I am confused as to why a stateside seller has not picked these up though.
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Post by Dracul on Nov 25, 2014 18:11:44 GMT -5
Okay, that makes sense then. However though, 360 is still a step down from their 400fps that their M14's get.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 25, 2014 18:24:44 GMT -5
Indeed the UK, like Japan has a jouelle restriction that keeps weapons in the neighborhood of 300 FPS with 20 gram. there is some science incidently about the harm that incures above 1 jouelle but in the US that ship sailed long ago and we have no such restrictions. Many of the larger games stuck with 387 FPS and under for full auto weapons. ( Lion Claws series for example) and again some science and some insurability reasons for that. Increasingly 400 FPS seems to be the standard for full auto and 550 FPS for bolt actions with a 75 foot minimum engagement range. Not a fan of minimum engagement ranges beyond a car length due to the fluid nature of our hobby but encourage "courtesy kills" inside 2o feet which tend to work well.
I suspect the US version will be close to 400 FPS if not a bit above. With semi auto weapons I like a heavier BB (.28 gram) and .36 in bolt actions due to the increased accuracy, improved ability to punch through brush and greater likelihood of being felt. (Especially in winter when more layers are being worn). If this shot around 350 with .28 it would on parr with the ICS which is fabulously accurate and hard hitting.
This Rifle has been annoyingly slow in coming to the US and I think they have lost a lot of pent up demand to the ICS. This improved visual qualities should help it make up lost ground IF the pricepoint is reasonable. At 20 rounds each a critical element will be the cost of the spare clips. The ICS clips intially were rediculous but have come back down to a reasonable $16.00 or so. At 32 functional rounds each you can get by with around eight and the ICS comes with two clips. At functionally 17 or 18 rounds I would think one would need at LEAST 10 clips (maybe more for a campaign game ( like Jump to Destiny). This can add up to a lot more of a reasonable acquisition cost. My mental consolation is that BBs are cheap. Certainly when compared to blanks for reenactors where its easily .25 cents a "pop" or more.
My patience has worn pretty thin on this offering but of course they own me and once out I will of course buy one. Having said that in converting $430.00 euros to US dollars and reading that the "build quality" on the clips is "better" than the ICS. I fear this gun might have stepped out of affordability for me. Ironic since my conversions (which aren't as nice) brought $560.00 and sold as quickly asI was able to build them!
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Post by stuka on Nov 25, 2014 21:43:45 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling that it may end up at like 450$ =|
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 25, 2014 22:10:14 GMT -5
If you go with the Ireland pricing and convert the Euros to US Dollars its way above that although thats in the UK and thats an initial, introductory price. If it comes in at $450.00 in all wood and metal and shooting in the 400 FPS vicinity and IF the clips aren't rediculously expensive and readily available I would consider it a good value.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 26, 2014 13:40:41 GMT -5
UK prices are generally higher than US ones. In Taiwan it is selling for $400.
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Post by Dracul on Nov 26, 2014 13:46:17 GMT -5
Also, I was reading on the Airsoft Sniper Forum, that guns over there in Europe just cost more. Due to import costs and other fees jacking up the standard price. Guns are more expensive here than in Hong Kong because the shipping and import prices are added to the price. The fees that the stores have to pay here in the states are much more cheaper than in Europe.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 26, 2014 15:26:46 GMT -5
Indeed. That certainly seems to be the case. If in fact its in the $400.00 price point and the clips are affordable it will do well. I had several GnG M14s and they were great guns. Ironically I converted both of them to M1 Garands. (clip shortenng was a nightmare however). On the GnG M14s the Walnut stocks were quite good and the overall shape and demensions of the rifle were superior to the Marui and Marui clone M14s. i suspect their M1 Garand will be visually stunning and functionally very very good. I just wish it would come out pretty soon! This release has been torturouly long. Combat Sport Supply states now in their pre order that they are SCHEDULED to arrive on Dec 7th (Interesting!) and that all pre orders will ship immediately upon receipt of the guns. They have listed the preorder for eight months now. Gotta be a pisser for a lot of people. In their description they list the magazine as a 20 round HICAP and claim a 330 tp 350 FPS with .20 gram but fully upgradable. Hmmmmmm??? for a long rifle that seems a bit disappointing.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 26, 2014 16:49:11 GMT -5
That description is quite old. A video from Shot Show (I think) shows a G&G representative explaining it is a 20 rd MIDCAP, and not a hicap as rumors have said. If/when I get one, I will upgrade it internally.
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