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Post by Dracul on Oct 1, 2014 10:46:59 GMT -5
Echo1 just released their first, true, VSR-10 clone. And for 140 dollars, its not too much more than the JG Bar-10. echo1usa.com/x/guns/sniper-rifles/psr/It boasts 500fps w/.20's, and hopefully good enough construction to prevent it destroying itself. If it truly gets 500fps, you shouldn't use .20's. You should be using .30's at least, which should make the FPS about 400, but that is a less than educated guess, don't take my word on that. Interesting to note that it comes with two mags, that hold 40rds each, instead of the 30rds the typical VSR/BAR-10 mags (at least I think). Again, if it as good as they boast, that changes things somewhat. If we start using these for the Kar98 conversions, that means power bar for WWII battle rifles have been raised. Hey, maybe I'm over thinking things here. Any one going to try this to use this for a mod? I want to, but I can't at the moment.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 1, 2014 14:53:19 GMT -5
That looks like a viable find. I am always dubious of FPS claims and mag capacities but 500 FPS is easily achieved and if arranged like a mid cap 40 rounds also seems reasonable. The question of course becomes cocking effort and as mentioned durability. The trigger seers in theses clones just don't hold up requiring in most cases an upgrade or replacement very soon after your build. I'd be thrilled If these proved robust and predictable but still question why such internals couldn't have nearly as easily been configured as some of the more iconic rifles like the Kar 98, Springfield, Enfield and Arisaka.
I will try one of these in my next bolt action conversion project.
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Post by Dracul on Oct 1, 2014 15:55:17 GMT -5
Well, from what I know about Echo1, mainly being an American company, is that their quality control/assurance is pretty high level. If they say 500fps w/ .20's, I'm going to reasonably believe it. If they lie about it, it comes back on them. Its a bigger deal for this US company then some near faceless Chinese one.
As for the durability with sears and such. Under the page's "Specifications" tab, while it doesn't say that the sears are metal, they say that the only plastic parts of the spring guide and stock.
I can only guess at your question. At least in Echo1's case. That this is their third sniper rifle. They had a M24 (M24 clone), the M28 (mostly proprietary), and now this, which is their true first VSR-10 clone. Its probably better if they start small and slow like this, so they build quality rifles first.
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Post by insterburger on Oct 2, 2014 6:09:03 GMT -5
The sear and trigger on the JG (and I presume other clones) are also metal, but the question is about what kind of metal. Most of the guns come off the shelf with rather poor quality pot metal parts which break easily.
It's frustrating that a small improvement such as decent quality steel sears and triggers aren't used and have to be bought aftermarket, since such measures would only drive the price point up very slightly. Given the asking price for the Echo 1-- about $20 or so more than the JG version was going for-- perhaps they made such common-sense upgrades, but I wouldn't bank on it. It will be interesting to hear from other buyers.
Either way, it looks like a great platform and I'm seriously considering getting one for one of my upcoming 98k builds.
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Post by volkssturm on Oct 2, 2014 11:57:24 GMT -5
What I've found after buying some Boneyard VSR10's is that the plastic pistons tend to have broken along the flange at the end that the sear hooks on. Simple fix with a metal replacement piston, but it would be nice if they came that way to begin with.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 2, 2014 16:28:33 GMT -5
another challenge with these VSR Clones is the hop up is fairly basic and rarely with properly adjust to the weight of heavier BBs. 28s being heavier then most will handle. The 500 FPS spring would be ideally firing 36s as that BB will prove less prone to react to wind and light brush. (With a 500 FPS for .20 grams my experience shows a 36 taking it down to around 340 FPS but still ending up with comporable range and far greater accuracy. Unfortunately the VSR clones I have tested lose their functionality on BBs heavier then .25s.
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Post by Dracul on Oct 8, 2014 12:40:31 GMT -5
I agree with the whole thing that if these started to come with decent metal parts, where they need it, we'd be willing to pay the extra 20 or so dollars for them. Also, wouldn't be just easier to make the Sear and Piston 90 degrees to begin with? After lurking through the Airsoft Sniper Forum, I've read a lot of the problems with sears comes from the 45 degrees that most riles have. According to the guys over on that forum, the way the piston is pushed up and locks in with the sear is the cause of the piston and sear destruction. It can be explained better with this: imageprocessor.websimages.com/width/525/crop/0,0,525x1468/www.airsoftsniperparts.com/shim%20trigger.gif
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Post by efrimann on Oct 25, 2014 12:09:52 GMT -5
Elbe Werke sells steel cocking handles kar98 style made from steel for some 50$. Both straight and sniper. He is a very nice guys, and makes some of the great softair jobs you have ever seen. Top dollar, top quality.
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Post by Dracul on Oct 25, 2014 22:22:50 GMT -5
werkstattelbe.fc2web.com/laden_01e.html These guys? I'm not seeing anything about a Kar98. However, thanks for the heads up on these guys! Pretty awesome that they make WWII Romanian reproductions. Its a rare thing to see.
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Post by efrimann on Oct 26, 2014 15:11:23 GMT -5
The do make VSR10 Kar98K with entirely new receivers, that fits the VSR10 bolt. No mods, new stuff. I'll get some links, he's great at making softair guns, hopeless at homepages. One should lend him hand, one really should... Example of quality level Check his blogs, use google translate to look around flitzwerke.blog39.fc2.com/blog-entry-486.html
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Post by Dracul on Oct 28, 2014 14:45:59 GMT -5
Oh damn, those do look awesome.
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Post by Dracul on Oct 28, 2014 21:06:07 GMT -5
UPDATE! www.evike.com/products/49986/Evike just got them in, and they are selling them for 130 bucks, which is eligible for free shipping, and it comes with three magazines.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 29, 2014 17:35:40 GMT -5
Evikes advertised FPS estimates tend to be quite accurate. With over 500 fps and the magazines (especially if they are really 46 rounds). This could be fabulous base gun. Hopefully one that will prove durable. The good things with all of these is that upgrade and replacement parts are readily available.
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Post by Dracul on Oct 29, 2014 21:32:34 GMT -5
You get mostly everything you need right off the bat. All you need are pouches and good grade BB's.
Imagine one day, if we ever get the springer WWII bolt actions we want on the market, that not only do they come in a package like this with multiple mags and all, but would also come with appropriate repro pouches.
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