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Post by brownien on Oct 30, 2014 22:15:18 GMT -5
Battle Of The BulgeWhen: Jan 17th & 18th Where: Lash's Paintball, Perth NY Cost: $35 Pre-Registration Only (Paypal, other methods specify by PM) Everyone must be registered and paid with me ahead of time, no pay at the field CUTOFF DATE: JAN 3,2015Registrations to be made by PM This will be a 2 day event with combat on Saturday all day, and most of the day Sunday. To all those who are going to be travelling a distance, and need a place to stay, I am offering my home as a location to spend Saturday night. Depending on the amount of people staying over, I may need to put some people up for the night in the garage. I can crank the heat up in the garage for the night, so all will be comfortable, but it would be best to bring cots and sleeping bags even if I can fit everyone in the house, but cots and sleeping bags will need to be supplied by each person individually, I don't have enough to go around! Also, due to the large number of people I suspect will be staying the night, I do not think I can offer showers, even if I could they would need to be extremely short to accomodate everyone, as the hot water supply doesn't last long. I would like to offer a light breakfast to all on Sunday morning included in the attendance fee (TO BE Determined). Each person will need to supply their own food for the duration of the event otherwise. No other food besides Sunday breakfast will be supplied. I need to know your primary weapon, because I plan on making this a RIFLE HEAVY event! Each team will have only a few designated SMG gunner positions. These team members are the only ones allowed to operate on FULL AUTO! All others who are designated as riflemen, despite the actual weapon type you are holding, you will be regulated to SEMI only! this is to limit the use of "Spray & Pray" tactics. I want to emphisize the use of squad tactics here. FIRE & MANOUVER! I will also be designating anyone who has a LMG/HMG as the team's Machine gunner. He will be allowed to have extra bags of BB's and speed loaders for his own and his team's weapons on the field. He will also be appointed a Machine gunner's assistant, and must both operate as a team within their team. These roles can be swapped between team members between missions, so everyone can have the opportunity to go HAM ON FULL AUTO! I would like to make this event about having fun in our hobby, but also try to make our hobby as realistic as possible! With that said, here is an outline on the uniform requirements: US:Either the M42's or M43's for Para's OR M41 Parsons Jackets, or M43 Jackets, both with wools or HBT's for Regular Infantry Proper webgear with ammo pouches for your specific weapons, and preferrably some way to carry extras whether it be a Musette bag, Haversack, or GP bag BOOTS! I know it will be cold, so I will not stress correct boot, just make sure they are warm! M1 Helmet or jeep cap. I would like everyone to have some kind of head cover on, even if its just a green knit cap BED SHEETS! yes I said it... I have some already made up to use as winter camo. USGI's didn't have proper white camo durring the bulge, so they improvised! I would highly suggest doing the same! (especially if you dont have a period correct-ish jacket to wear) German:Any of the Wool uniforms will be ok (M36-M44) If you don't have such items, any of the german camo pattern jackets or smocks can be worn as a substitute with either camo or grey trousers. proper webgear with weapon specific ammo pouches, and make sure to have a way to carry extras into combat (breadbag, or something similar will work) BOOts! again, if jackboots or lowboots cannot be had, any warm boots with gaiters can be worn Any German helmet with or without covers, or a field cap can be worn. Or anything of that nature (preferrably grey) Bedsheets can be worn by any german, but I would prefer this to be a US only item (for recognition purposes) I will be recruiting locals at this event. They will not be held to such "high" standards as you fellow WW2AA board members, but I will help them look somewhat period correct. (10ft rule applies for all participants) Loaner Recipient Requirements:Any and all participants that require ANY loaner gear to partcipate, CONTACT ME BEFORE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE LIST BELOW!!! To balance the sides, anyone borrowing kit will be used to balance each force, which will require different minimalist requirements!! To anyone who requires full or partial kit and does not have the proper uniform items stated above, you will need the following: German;Grey wool lookalike pants, and grey or green button up shirt Black or brown boots Grey or black knit style caps and gloves/mittens US;Either brown wool lookalike pants, or green cotton pants with cargo pockets Brown or tan button up shirt Black or brown boots Brown or green knit style caps and gloves/mittens
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Post by Dracul on Nov 1, 2014 1:31:35 GMT -5
Once it gets closer, I'll let you know. I think we have somethings going on in the middle of Jan, but I hope we can make it.
If all the stars align and using what I see my collection will be in the near future, thats 3 for US guys. Garand, Thompson, and BAR (thanks to you, hehe).
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 29, 2014 10:38:37 GMT -5
What is the outlook on this? Is it still on?
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Post by SfcMigs on Nov 29, 2014 12:13:08 GMT -5
What is the outlook on this? Is it still on? Nate's events always seem to have a decent number of players. I wouldn't worry about the lack of chatter on this thread just yet. Holidays and all. I'm sure you;ll see it pick up steam as we get through December.
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Post by brownien on Dec 3, 2014 20:31:02 GMT -5
Sorry for the delays! Indeed the holidays have been keeping me frantic, as most people seem to be. The event is very much still on. I am currently planning scenarios, and working on different elements of balancing and event flow. I will be making changes to the original post to reflect any changes being made overall.
I have had some concerns come up about the use of sub machine guns on semi auto only, and how it can effect the internals of the guns themselves. I'd like some input on what would be best.
-Allowing soldiers designated as riflemen who are using SMG's to keep their guns on full auto, but are required to use trigger discipline to only fire 1-2 rounds pre trigger squeeze. This would be kinder to the guns internals I would believe, and still allow them to be used.
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-Anyone with an SMG would be allowed to use them on full auto without the burst fire limitations stated above, but their hopups must be turned off, or limited to shoot only to a set distance, by means of a target range to set each SMG to drop off after a set range, say 75-100ft?
I find that at events where there are quite a few guys on each side using rifles, too often, anyone with an SMG on full auto can easily pin down entire enemy squads at the rifle's max engagement distance and virtually act as a one man mobile M1919 or Mg42 gunner. I think limiting the range of the SMG's at least the ones on full auto, will give the long range advantage back to the riflemen and reward those who are carrying the heavy BAR's M1919's and Mg42's with the full auto firepower at long ranges, allowing them to do their originally intended job of suppressing fire at the ranges of a rifleman with a semi/bolt rifle.
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Post by SfcMigs on Dec 3, 2014 20:47:16 GMT -5
Sorry for the delays! Indeed the holidays have been keeping me frantic, as most people seem to be. The event is very much still on. I am currently planning scenarios, and working on different elements of balancing and event flow. I will be making changes to the original post to reflect any changes being made overall. I have had some concerns come up about the use of sub machine guns on semi auto only, and how it can effect the internals of the guns themselves. I'd like some input on what would be best. -Allowing soldiers designated as riflemen who are using SMG's to keep their guns on full auto, but are required to use trigger discipline to only fire 1-2 rounds pre trigger squeeze. This would be kinder to the guns internals I would believe, and still allow them to be used. or -Anyone with an SMG would be allowed to use them on full auto without the burst fire limitations stated above, but their hopups must be turned off, or limited to shoot only to a set distance, by means of a target range to set each SMG to drop off after a set range, say 75-100ft? I find that at events where there are quite a few guys on each side using rifles, too often, anyone with an SMG on full auto can easily pin down entire enemy squads at the rifle's max engagement distance and virtually act as a one man mobile M1919 or Mg42 gunner. I think limiting the range of the SMG's at least the ones on full auto, will give the long range advantage back to the riflemen and reward those who are carrying the heavy BAR's M1919's and Mg42's with the full auto firepower at long ranges, allowing them to do their originally intended job of suppressing fire at the ranges of a rifleman with a semi/bolt rifle. Both good suggestions regarding the SMG's. Personally, I've had 2 triggers break on my SMG's (Thompson and MP-40)under the single shot rule. I think the short burst fire discipline is the way to go. Looking forward to this one.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 3, 2014 22:20:22 GMT -5
After prolonged or rapid semi auto fire a normally full auto AEG begins to arch and will indeed eventually fail however (based on my experience) if the pace is fairly reasonable (in sync with a semi auto rifleunder normal use). I haven't witnessed any issues and have been fine with having all my rifles used in semi auto only even when subjected to the rigors of loaner / rental guns. Recognizing that my lack of issues may just be a complete fluke and certainly not wanting anyone to screw up their guns i would suggest BOTH short three round bursts and no HOP UP for sub machine guns. We maybe too early in the hobby to start implementing steps to create greater authenticity but that remains my ultimate goal.
Greater functionality from a shorter more compact weapon than in reality had vastly inferior capabilities eventually needs to be adressed. Why not sooner rather than later? It certainly gives folks fielding Garands, Springfields and Kar 98s a reason to do so. My two cents worth and worth every dime of it!
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Post by Dracul on Dec 3, 2014 22:51:29 GMT -5
I personally still like the idea that SMG's are allowed for full auto to be used in place of machine guns. BAR and MG42's are out there, but they don't seem to be super commonplace just yet. But, with that said, only one SMG per fire team.
As for the standard rifleman having SMG's, I think there are enough loaner guns out there to equip those guys with rifles. Whether it being an extra Garand, an extra M1 Carbine, or a "captured" Kar98.
Personally, none of my guns ever had that arc problem from firing on semi all the time. As a tech, I think the arc problem is something that only really happens farrrrr down the line of a gun's life. Maybe its something that occurs when there is dirt build up in the trigger contacts. So, I think it would be completely fair to allow SMG users to use their guns, just on semi, if the user wants to "risk" it.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 4, 2014 7:12:42 GMT -5
Mosfets eliminate that arc completely. They may be worth looking in to for those with sub machine guns. I think if a BAR or MG42 goes down (which seems likely based on my experience with BARs) then a Thompson or MP40 may be used to its full potential. However, a lot of people in the Northeast either have an MG42 or a BAR and I don't really foresee that becoming necessary.
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Post by SfcMigs on Dec 4, 2014 10:39:18 GMT -5
All good points here regarding the single shot debate. But besides the trigger break issue I personally had, as a result of this scenario, it is my opinion that using the squad based guidelines as to how many riflemen and SMG and LMG's we use per squad doesn't quiet work. We do not have enough players at these events to effectively put this into a realistic and fair game play. We usually have 10 or so players per side which gives us two squads (3 at the most) thus giving us 2/3 SMG's. The Germans are usually dug in and fortified. Making it even more of a challenge to effectively attack them. At the last Bulge event, we couldn't even get close, as one MG-42 had our whole force pinned down.
But even if you want to debate that, this next point is even more of an issue for me. When using single shot, it is very hard to track your shots, especially in the snow. As you know, under auto, you can track your shots. Also, in the winter months, it is very likely that a player hit with a single shot may not feel the hit because of the layers he's wearing. Usually not the case with auto.
I just think that if the players that are designated riflemen in each squad use the short burst guidelines, we'll be fine. I bought the ZB-26 because of this very situation as the last Bulge event for me was not fun at all. We have enough issues with the cold effecting the guns to begin with, I don't want to relive what happened last time. In short, all I had left was a couple of grenades. Not fun.
Cheers, Migs
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Post by Dracul on Dec 4, 2014 10:56:07 GMT -5
Shiftysgarand: Mosfets seems great and all, but not all of us has the means or know how to install them. The drop in tamiya/deans mosfets don't regulate the voltage. So, it takes the soldering know how to install the proper, basic voltage regulating mosfet.
Wish I could give more on the issue, but I only just got a soldering iron with no accessories like the sponge or even silver wiring or the heat shrinks. Once I do get around to doing a few, I'll be posting a full airsoft electronics guide for everyone. Everything from batteries, chargers, soldiering, splicing, mosfets, etc etc. There is too much BS out there from "pro techs" out there....
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Post by brownien on Dec 4, 2014 20:54:16 GMT -5
I do agree that I don't want anyone's guns to be going down from failures, the cold will have us all at a disadvantage there anyway. I'd like to let them stay on full auto for reliability sake. I am really considering the hopup limitation option though. Like you said Migs, we were pinned down pretty hard from full auto fire, but that was from an Mg42. That's exactly it's intended job! Back in '44 that LMG would have had exactly the same effect. I just dislike when there are Plenty of Smg's being fielded with the same exact effect of an Mg42. I think what differentiates our hobby most from modern airsoft, is the lack of "BB-hose-apaloosa" when everyone and their mother starts ripping on full auto with Smg's, stalemates occur. The action ceases, and it all turns into who can make the other guy duck for longer. I have found at the D-Day event last summer, even with the amount of full auto present, there was still plenty of fire and manouver, not just fire fire fire. That can be due to the commanders actions, but also the necessity for guys with semi/ bolt rifles to move and flank to get an advantage when firepower is lacking. Less brute force more tactics.
Btw, I have put a relay in my thompson. I mainly did it to allow me to use stronger batteries without issues, but since doing it about a year ago, I havnt had trigger problems on semi, besides the occasional low voltage lockup, which popping a shot on full quick fixes. I'd reccomend it to anyone! I believe I used an automotive style relay, and just looked up on YouTube how to hook it up. Real simple and it takes all that strain off the trigger contacts and can actually give you more power to the motor with less loss from electrical resistance.
As far as LMG's go, I have my BAR, Dracul has his, and Migs has the new VZ 26. 3 MG's for the allies is plenty. That potentially gives us firepower for 3 separate squads or 2 rifle squads and a HMG squad. With Mark's MG, and possibly Ray & Josh's MG's that gives an almost identical load out for the Germans. I know the FJ's mostly use Bar98ks as well as Mark's, making the Germans mostly rifle heavy. I will be picking up 5 or so loaner carbines, which will most likely go to the 5-6 GI blankfire guys from my blankfire unit, and that's on top of the past attendance numbers! I also have a modern squad I befriended over the summer who are interested in attending on the German side, possibly upwards of 5-6 of them as well. Again on top of past numbers! Potentially getting us up to 15-16 roughly per side! I really love the way things are going, and I'm hoping that with these new guys coming, we can show the modern guys that ww2airsoft is a whole other animal, played with honor and skill, and show the blankfire burners that we aren't just kids in green BDU's running around with thompsons and AK's
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Post by Dracul on Dec 4, 2014 21:48:59 GMT -5
Gotta help me get that BAR running again, man.
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Post by SfcMigs on Dec 4, 2014 23:06:52 GMT -5
I do agree that I don't want anyone's guns to be going down from failures, the cold will have us all at a disadvantage there anyway. I'd like to let them stay on full auto for reliability sake. I am really considering the hopup limitation option though. Like you said Migs, we were pinned down pretty hard from full auto fire, but that was from an Mg42. That's exactly it's intended job! Back in '44 that LMG would have had exactly the same effect. I just dislike when there are Plenty of Smg's being fielded with the same exact effect of an Mg42. I think what differentiates our hobby most from modern airsoft, is the lack of "BB-hose-apaloosa" when everyone and their mother starts ripping on full auto with Smg's, stalemates occur. The action ceases, and it all turns into who can make the other guy duck for longer. I have found at the D-Day event last summer, even with the amount of full auto present, there was still plenty of fire and manouver, not just fire fire fire. That can be due to the commanders actions, but also the necessity for guys with semi/ bolt rifles to move and flank to get an advantage when firepower is lacking. Less brute force more tactics. Btw, I have put a relay in my thompson. I mainly did it to allow me to use stronger batteries without issues, but since doing it about a year ago, I havnt had trigger problems on semi, besides the occasional low voltage lockup, which popping a shot on full quick fixes. I'd reccomend it to anyone! I believe I used an automotive style relay, and just looked up on YouTube how to hook it up. Real simple and it takes all that strain off the trigger contacts and can actually give you more power to the motor with less loss from electrical resistance. As far as LMG's go, I have my BAR, Dracul has his, and Migs has the new VZ 26. 3 MG's for the allies is plenty. That potentially gives us firepower for 3 separate squads or 2 rifle squads and a HMG squad. With Mark's MG, and possibly Ray & Josh's MG's that gives an almost identical load out for the Germans. I know the FJ's mostly use Bar98ks as well as Mark's, making the Germans mostly rifle heavy. I will be picking up 5 or so loaner carbines, which will most likely go to the 5-6 GI blankfire guys from my blankfire unit, and that's on top of the past attendance numbers! I also have a modern squad I befriended over the summer who are interested in attending on the German side, possibly upwards of 5-6 of them as well. Again on top of past numbers! Potentially getting us up to 15-16 roughly per side! I really love the way things are going, and I'm hoping that with these new guys coming, we can show the modern guys that ww2airsoft is a whole other animal, played with honor and skill, and show the blankfire burners that we aren't just kids in green BDU's running around with thompsons and AK's I do agree that the main effect and purpose of the MG42 was just that, pin us down. The biggest problem was where they were located, we couldn't even lob grenades at them as there was that netting on one side and the MG-42 and another MP-40 on the other side. We had no support weapons and only one SMG. But like I said, regardless of the logistics of the weapons, my biggest issue is the trigger fail issue and the lack of being able to trace your shots. Add in the point of how easy it is for someone to not feel the single shot with all those winter layers on and it really makes the game play problematic. On a separate note, anyone see the Apple Bazooka in the G2 section? I would love to read a review on that puppy. In the video, they show it shooting at close range, but I'm not sure how that would translate onto the field of play. I think if it shot a nerf rocket with a 100 yard range, that would be very kool. Just not sure how the BB spread shot would work and what range it would have. To me, it's more like a shot gun on steroids. I remember when JP had his gas propelled panzerfaust that shot the nerf rockets. That thing was really kool and had great range. Anyway, glad to see the thread pick up steam. Migs
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Post by ScottCollins on Dec 5, 2014 13:30:03 GMT -5
I actually just recently picked up a carbine to use since it seems like the hopup on my Springfield is on its way out. I'll probably be using that so I'll bring my Springfield as a loaner
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Dec 5, 2014 14:40:06 GMT -5
I'll be at this event, with probably Patrick and tommy too, and of course my new toy >
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 5, 2014 19:01:09 GMT -5
I'll be there, with up to possibly 3 more and using my M1 if I can change the hop rubber. I'll pick up a Carbine anyway.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 6, 2014 0:42:09 GMT -5
The undone hop up in the long run sounds like the best overal solution. The winter is indeed hard enough on airsoft guns. If semi puts additional strains its jus nt worth it. I haven't had that experience but my guns are almost never operating below 40 degrees here in the NW. (Although they were last week). As or feeling hits no doubt that is an issue (especially in Winter). I have always been an advocate of three quick shots on semi which is why I have always liked the idea of striving for 3:1 for magazines vs real weapons. ( 60 rounds when it would really be 20). 24 when it would normally be eight etc.
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Post by Dracul on Dec 19, 2014 20:29:16 GMT -5
One of my guys will be deployed, legit middle east deployed, and the Navy is keeping my wife (and the car) close to base for the surrounding weeks. Making this a possible two rifles up for my team, but nothing is set in stone yet.
Best case scenario, one US and one Scottish for this game.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 19, 2014 20:46:05 GMT -5
If anybody going US is interested, I can make K rations for them. Pm for details.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Dec 23, 2014 17:53:38 GMT -5
Dracul, don't you think Scottish might be a weeeee bit weird with the kilt? I'd recommend getting some wool trousers.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 23, 2014 19:00:05 GMT -5
May be a bit chilly with a kilt in New York in January!
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Dec 23, 2014 22:57:50 GMT -5
During WW2 the use of kilts was banned by the war department because of its impracticality in mechanized warfare and the lack of protection it offered in gas attacks. It was used on one occasion in 1942 when a highland regiment was allowed to wear them into battle during a raid on St Nazaire. But I don't think they were seen in 1944. Wool trousers where the norm for all Common Wealth troops. I'm not sure if your thinking of sporting your kilt in January, but if you do your more a man than this wee bairn! Berrrrrrrrr!
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Post by brownien on Dec 24, 2014 0:36:58 GMT -5
Really sorry guys, but some recent events have been getting in the way of my ability to put on this event. I most likely wont have the capacity to host an event myself until summertime. It's not due to my or anyone else's health, everyone's doing fine. The main issue is just my financial situation, is making trying to host events very difficult. Very sorry to everyone! I was really looking forward to this one myself!
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Dec 24, 2014 0:50:33 GMT -5
Damn! Any way for someone else to take over organizing it?
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Post by brownien on Dec 24, 2014 1:07:21 GMT -5
If someone is willing to, they are more than welcome!
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Post by Dracul on Dec 24, 2014 1:12:21 GMT -5
Aww, sorry to hear this man.
On note of the kilt. I understand the time period doesn't quite line up, but I'll be damned if I allow myself to be afraid of a little cold while sporting a kilt.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 24, 2014 16:40:32 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about the cancellation. People seldom realize what a financial and time consuming hole hosting events can be. Nate we understand perfectly.
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Post by SfcMigs on Dec 24, 2014 23:55:49 GMT -5
If someone is willing to, they are more than welcome! Nate, I'll be in touch. Perhaps I can help. I'll call you on Friday. Stay tuned guys, I'll see what I can do. Merry Christmas, Migs
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