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Post by volkssturm on Jan 2, 2015 14:56:44 GMT -5
I stumbled on this thing last night. An LPEG (I guess) M14 on the Clearance Page at Airsoft Megastore. www.airsoftmegastore.com/3941-de-airsoft-m14-ris-fully-automatic-electric-aeg-rifle-w-rail-system.aspxIt has a plastic gearbox. Claims 260 with .20's. So I'm wondering if the gearbox will be compact enough to fit inside a springer M1 carbine. I've been futzing around with a metal Ver. 7 gearbox and it will almost fit, but not quite. Anyhow, at $30 I figure it's worth it for the entertainment value of ripping it apart and seeing what's inside it and what you can do with it. Got one on order.
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Post by insterburger on Jan 2, 2015 17:41:37 GMT -5
Somehow I'm suspicious that it might be the same as or close to a WellFire M1 Carbine, even if it's listed at a higher FPS. But hey, as you said, for $30 why wonder?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 2, 2015 18:09:54 GMT -5
I can guarantee it won't fit without some compromises. Of course how little or how much is the question. The magazine and feed system will be your biggest bugga boo and my guess is you'll end up with something visually on parr with the WELL Carbine with a whole bunch of effort and disappointment. having said all that it looks like a reasonable project with minimal financial risk.
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Post by Dracul on Jan 2, 2015 22:01:41 GMT -5
Having opened up a few LPAEGs myself, I can say its probably not going to work. Why? LPAEG gearboxes usually have the same, or slightly smaller dimensions as their full AEG counterparts. So, if a Ver7 gearbox wouldn't fit in a M1 Carbine stock, I'd place my money that this wouldn't fit either.
I'll bet, that the LPAEG M14 is a plastic, clear, all one piece Ver7 style gearbox with plastic gears, no bushings, and a tiny motor.
In all fairness, who knows what monstrosity they put into that M14, so there is a chance that I'm wrong. But I'd still say that it wouldn't work.
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 2, 2015 22:12:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't bet against you, but hey, it's the journey, not the destination.
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Post by Dracul on Jan 2, 2015 22:35:09 GMT -5
Yup, not saying its not worth the effort though, or to not do it at all. I agree with 2nd Bat wholeheartedly here, its not too big of a financial risk.
Worse comes to worst, you can try to put the M14 back together, do some quick and dirty mock ups and a paint job, and use it as an EXTREME back up or loaner "Garand". I did that to a springer M14 I have and it looks nothing like a Garand at all, but it works decently enough to skirmish if all my other guns go down (I even fielded it one weekend, just to see how well it performs, and if it could even fit the role as a loaner weapon). Hell, this thing might even accept the shotgun mags we use for the M14>Garand conversions.
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 3, 2015 17:26:52 GMT -5
That's my thinking. At worst, I can make a cheap M1.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 4, 2015 0:29:31 GMT -5
Naturally if you can post pictures of your progress we'll all share in your journey and be there with any tips or suggestions might help. I'd be especially interested in the magazines used (which hopefully have available spares).
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 7, 2015 0:31:35 GMT -5
Interesting design, but it isn't going to fit. A little too tall.
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Post by Dracul on Jan 7, 2015 10:13:49 GMT -5
Eh, I wasn't too off there.
Anyway, this makes think about the Why WELL M1 Carbine has that extra piece of stock between the trigger and the mag, they probably use one of these gearboxes with slight external modification. Then covers what sticks out the bottom with the "stock". Just a thought, though.
Well, you can either turn that M14 into a mock/loaner Garand, OR make it a sleeper gun by placing in a CYMA M14 gearbox and hopup, haha.
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 7, 2015 17:40:23 GMT -5
My thinking at the moment is this thing might be the right size for a Finnish M31 SMG. I was looking at the MP40 gearbox before, but it's too long.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 7, 2015 23:26:57 GMT -5
thanks for posting the break down and the over and above split view is very helpful. what were the magazines like?
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 8, 2015 1:19:21 GMT -5
Virtually identical to the regular M14. I didn't try a regular one before disassembling the gun, but visually they're the same.
Was just thinking, this could be a base for a cheap, poor imitation G-43. I wonder if I can get the essential bits back together.
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Post by hardslack on Jan 8, 2015 11:06:21 GMT -5
When I was 15 or so, 2006-7 ish. Tokyo Mauri released a few scaled down AEG's they called the "Boys" line. They were like, the first lpaegs, they shot a tolerable 230ish fps. I bought the M4 version and it held up well, still shoots, though I had to take it apart form time to time. The gearboxes are quite a bit smaller since the gun is smaller, Looks like they still have some boys guns now, it could be a possibility for a gearbox. Unfortunatly it may be really hard to find mags, and you'd have to order from hongkong. Just a thought for the mass conciousness.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 8, 2015 11:41:52 GMT -5
The lack of power would justify doing some kind of low range sub machine gun or carbine but a rifle (especially a long one) would be kind of pointless (IMO). If the magazines are interchangeable with regular Marui AEGs that would be interesting as the shotty mags could be made to work. How about a Russian SKS? The base components are relatively cheap and the receiver group was very simple? On the SKS the magazine was fixed but hinged and this could swing open so you could insert the little shotty mags?
There were some uber cheap SKS springers but unfortunately they are 3/4 scale. There was also a full sized SKS springer that ejected shells and had a hokey banana magazine. If you could source one of those it might provide you with the looks to house you mechanicals?
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 8, 2015 13:21:42 GMT -5
The "receiver" is a cover that lifts right off, so that makes it easier to change the looks. The upper handguard is a solid piece with the stock. Change the stock profile a little and adapt it to use a Thompson mag and it might make a Reising SMG. It could also be made into a Garand T26 "Tanker" model, though they never saw actual service.
I had one of those shell ejecting SKS spingers. I donated it as a prop gun to a VN reenactor. It might be doable, but the M14 stock is a bit deeper than the SKS.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 8, 2015 17:06:38 GMT -5
Resin paste my friend, resin paste! Another thought for yucks and giggles would be an IVAR JOHNSON! for $30.00 get a little creative! I resin paste, monstrositied several BARs out of CYMA M14s and they came out pretty decent. An Ivar Johnson could be done using the same approach. Once done you could never disassemble it but with a $30.00 gun who cares?
Resin paste a dremel a dust mask and some sculpting skills and I bet it could look pretty good!.
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 8, 2015 17:54:29 GMT -5
Who? Isn't that a character from "A Prairie Home Companion"? A resident of Lake Woebegon?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 10, 2015 1:14:15 GMT -5
Where all the children are above average!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 14, 2015 0:46:52 GMT -5
What did you end up doing with this? I took apart one of my Well carbines (I destroyed a magazine trying to shorten it and there are no spares for it anywhere). The guts looked identical to your Cheap AEG M14. Interestingly I am placing these guts in an SKS stock. (trying anyway.). A feed systen continues to elude me for it.
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 14, 2015 1:12:53 GMT -5
It's sitting in its box collecting dust for the foreseeable future.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 14, 2015 4:07:58 GMT -5
Its likely to be just what you need when some inspiration strikes you. Did you ever shoot it to see how good or bad it was? My Well Carbine is quite awful but in close would be fine
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 14, 2015 12:11:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I had a case of the eagers to see what was inside it, so I never actually test fired it. I should probably put it back together enough to chrono it at some point. I wa kind of thinking at one point that it might be a base for a Reising M50.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 14, 2015 23:58:48 GMT -5
I could see that working if you can set up thompson mags to work.
its of course way too late in the hobby but wouldn't it have been cool if all pistol ammo WW2 weapons were AEP type power while all rifle ammo was AEG, full on 375 FPS plus? That way you could let all the thompson and MP 40 guys leave their guns on full auto and their choice as to what gun to use would have been much like it was back in the day. Upsides and downside for everything,
Machine guns with no significant ammo restrictions and rifle power would be as dominant as they of course were and sub machine guns, less accurate and less range as they should be. Of course the genie is outta the box and a lot of Thompsons are shooting high 300s right out of the box.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 24, 2015 14:04:06 GMT -5
I am still trying to source a cheap way to make acceptable flush mounted magazines for the Garand conversions. If the magazines for these LPAEPs in fact work in a regular AEG M14, AND if the inner channels make sense to shorten by cutting them down. These magazines might be worth trying to use. Any input on that would be much appreciated. The inexpensive all plastic M14 mid caps do not allow for shortening due to the weird way they route the BBs (unfortunately!)
Incidently my WELL carnine to SKS (although not done yet) is going to turn out fairly decently (I think)
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 24, 2015 15:36:13 GMT -5
The mag that comes with the DE is a plastic high cap, so that's not going to work.
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Post by Dracul on Mar 24, 2015 16:18:49 GMT -5
The TSD M14 Mags meant for their springer M14's are built almost just like the CYMA M1 Carbine mags. They are cheap enough to experiment with. Problem is, they are tad of out spec of the AEG's M14 mags. I think you have to add to the lip on the front of the mag (where it catches and you rock the mag back when loading). www.evike.com/products/27781/Out of stock here, but you can find them else where. TSD's M14's are also designated "M100" and "M116" on other sites. Side note, these are longer than the AEG mags. Seems like they made them full, live steel sized.
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 24, 2015 17:28:26 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 24, 2015 18:15:29 GMT -5
So the Springer M14 mag shown says 37 rounds so once cut down probably would have no more capacity than the shotgun mags (if as much). I see in the pictures they seperate into halves with screws and appear to allow the spring to be slid into place from the top rear of the mag. (this is huge if you plan to modify mags.). They are certainly cheap enough to buy a few and try things with! The cheap mags with transparent bullets shown on that page is what I sourced plastic bullets for my pseudo enblock clips. Perhaps I should get a few more of those as well? The upper surface appears identical to the shotgun mags so modifying to work with the addition of the small ABS spacer should work. I will put in an order and keep everyone posted.
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 24, 2015 19:30:31 GMT -5
Just ordered some myself to play with. Thinking about how to modify them to keep the capacity.
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