Jerry-ADK
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Jan 10, 2015 21:48:22 GMT -5
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2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 10, 2015 23:07:14 GMT -5
I have bought one and have talked about it elsewhere. Your pictures pretty much tell the story. It is dimensionally "off" in almost too many ways to mention. I did what I could to improve the infidelities but no matter what you do it will remain a poor looking replica. I filled the hokey screw holes, removed the entirely silly "cock assist", filled back in the charging handle, removed the bayonet lug and redid the rear site. I sanded down the stock and refinished it to improve the pseudo wood looks and shortened the high cap magazine a bit. (its still way off but better)
As a shooter about the only thing you can say is it is semi automatic. With .20 gram it shoots between 210 and 230 FPS. (Fine for a carbine relative to a rifle but I wish it could find another 80 FPS at least. the magazine is a high cap and before shortening holds about 100 rounds. Spare magazines are not available anywhere. For the price it is worth having and I don 't regret purchasing it.
It is great seeing ANY WW2 weapon but I wish it either looked better or shot better. The fact that it is sub parr on both counts means its only saving grace is its low price and AEP semi autofire vs having to cock the much better looking and harder shooting CYMA carbines.
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Jerry-ADK
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Jan 11, 2015 9:27:23 GMT -5
Thanks 2ndBat,
Is there any potential to upgrade the gearbox hop up or piston? or is it not worth the trouble?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 11, 2015 15:47:35 GMT -5
I would say no. It appears to be the same set up as the M14 Volks posted comments and pictures of. The motor is quite short and smaller than the Marui clone version sevens. the body is (in my opinion to horrid) to justify the effort.
the price point and pictures really tell the story. It is what it is. Not bad for the price and worthwhile as loaner guns or select players like crew served weapons folks and key leaders. The range and accuracy is very limited. i wouldn't count on anyone feeling their hits beyond about 70 feet!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 13, 2015 19:51:01 GMT -5
A seller currently on Ebay is listing spare magazines for these at $12.00 shipped and has quite a few of them available. This is huge news for me as the high cap magazine I shortened failed to hold up and is unfixable leaving my carbine unusable. With no spares available from anywhere I was afraid i was left with a poor shooting, ugly replica thatfor my purposes wasn't useable at all.
I ordered two of the magazines so I can attempt a better job of shortening and failing that will still have a functional magazine for this gun.
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Post by Dracul on Apr 13, 2015 20:09:16 GMT -5
Pics from 2ndBat!
The highly modified WELL carbine (often listed on EBAY as an M14) is shown in the picture below where it is the rifle on top. Note I have filled the holes and removed the bayonet lug, redone the stock and tried to clean it up visually where I could. This is the same view from the top. i removed the silly hand cock mechanism (silly since it is electric and semi automatic). Once off the area underneath was plain plastic stock so I had to create cosmetically a continuation of the charging handle. Note the off demensions relative to the CYMA springer carbine beside it. Other rifles shown is a pseudo SKS using an M14 AEG gearbox, a pseudo Kar 98 with Bar 10 internals and an M14 to M1 conversion using an actual lower M1 Garand stock extensively inletted to accommodate the M14 internals.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 14, 2015 1:37:48 GMT -5
In response to some PMs no these are NOT for sale. thanks again dracul for posting the pictures. The SKS was pretty much scratch built with the stock split down the center and then inletted with an extra strip down the center to provide additional width. The magazine fits under the SKS mag which swings open.
things I learned with that build could work for a G43 in fact it would be an easier build as the G43 was quite a bit larger. The receiver group was mostly scrap metal parts that sort of looked right. I fabricated the rear site. The bayonet is real. ($10.00)
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stuka
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Post by stuka on Apr 14, 2015 1:39:00 GMT -5
is that a real bayonet?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 15, 2015 14:14:45 GMT -5
On the SKS, Yes it is a REAL bayonet however on this replica it is fixed in the folded position. The SKS had either the spike or blade bayonet (on the SKS the blade was actlually more common in Vietnam) I felt setting it up to be functional would not provide any pleasant outcomes.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 14, 2015 12:50:23 GMT -5
In response to some additional questions and observations with regard to the WELL carbine: the size discrepancy next to the CYMA carbine is NOT camera angle. The WELL is oversized in nearly all dimensions. The oversized magazine (only available as a high cap) was actually shortened by me vs the way it came. I was able to reduce its length by about inch and it still looks hokey long. The WELL carbine once tweaked is marginally acceptable in my opinion. It's semi auto AEP performance being its only redeeming quality. At 240 fps it is effective only at very close range. It's weak internals prevent any upgrades.
When removed entirely from any viable carbines it looks passable as a carbine at a distance after considerable cosmetic work.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 5, 2016 22:04:40 GMT -5
I recently took the cocking aid I removed from the Well carbine which was metal and totally non functional and attached it to one of my Springer CYMA carbines and while it detracts visually from the replica it allows you rapidly cock the rifle while shouldered without taking the muzzle off your target. This dramatically improved the rifles skirmishability which is actually quite good.
Installation was a little tricky as the charging handle on the CYMA is somewhat recessed so a gap filler had to be created and mounting screws had to be long enough to go through the cocking aid, and gap filler finally into the CYMA charging rod.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 6, 2016 20:00:11 GMT -5
In response to some PMs the cocking aid is attached in much the same location it came off the WELL carbine. (See the advertisement picture posted by JerryADK). I ABS glued a thin strip of ABS to the CYMA charging rod to fill the recess between the carbine stock and handguard. I then drilled two set screw holes and used screws long enough to go through the cocking aid and the ABS rod I added into the CYMA charging rod.
How robust it will be is hard to say.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 6, 2016 20:01:45 GMT -5
Here are some pictures to illustrate what the cocking aid looks like once removed from the cheezy Desert Eagle DE69 (plastic gearbox, semiautomatic) carbine and then installed on a CYMA spring powered carbine. Once in place it allows the player to easily keep the muzzle on target while cocking which greatly improves this inexpensive rifles skirmishability. I have fired several hundred rounds with it installed and it remains solidly in place. Though visually distracting it is barely noticeable when in use. Bizarre that it came on the electric gearboxes offering but a decade ago an identical device was FUNCTIONALLY affixed to the 6mm Marushin non blowback gas carbine. Obviously copied without research by the Chinese.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 24, 2016 21:33:28 GMT -5
To insure it would remain solidly in place I attached it with both the screws AND JB weld so it is permanently installed. There was a necessary space (gap) between the springer operating rod/ charging handle and this cocking device due to the stock and handguard. This had to be filled with a cut channel of ABS which I glued into place. I used longer screws so they could reach but not fully Pierce the operating rod underneath.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 25, 2016 13:02:50 GMT -5
I mounted the four finger cocking aid as far forward on the operating rod as I could and still have solid mounting points for the screws. Even with this mounting point I have to skip the rear most finger groove in order to keep the magazine from blocking the rearward cocking effort of my left hand. Just as the spring powered shotguns provide decent rates of fire this arrangement facilitates effectiveness considerably. Left handed shooters using these inexpensive carbines have a nice advantage over right handers and wont benefit from the cocking aid. I wish I could source these cocking aids without having to buy one of the Cheezy D69 rifles that come with it.
The basic CYMA springer carbine is skirmishable on its own (Though marginally). WITH the cocking aid and a skilled operator it comes much closer to holding its own against an AEG. Even without the cocking aid I would choose it over the WELL D69 due to its range, accuracy, and power.
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