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Post by stuka on Feb 6, 2015 1:23:25 GMT -5
From shotshow, not much in terms of release date and such. Can't be too far from now but there needs to be more done to make it an A4 i.imgur.com/dArZWd8.jpg
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 6, 2015 1:49:51 GMT -5
The M1903 A4 would have been the C Stock and would have been without a front site or rear site as shown. The rifle shown is simply their straight stock M1903A1 with a scope mounted. Nothing terribly wrong about that but definitely not a M1903A4
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Post by stuka on Feb 6, 2015 3:34:14 GMT -5
hence the ish part as really the only thing that makes it A4ish over a 1903 scoped is that it's closer to an a4 instead of an 1903/a1
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Post by Dracul on Feb 6, 2015 8:56:04 GMT -5
Interesting that they went with this instead of an actual 1903A4.
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Post by brownien on Feb 6, 2015 9:43:01 GMT -5
They prolly went with this due to a combo of lack of knowledge/research and not wanting it to lack iron sights in case the buyers decide to take the scope off
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Feb 6, 2015 13:01:47 GMT -5
I think turning this into a M19a4 could be done. Make or get a c stock,. Remove the sights and drop in the G&G internals. It just depends on how finatical you like to be. I would consider that for a U.S. Marksman kit. But man, why can't these guys give us springers?
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Post by insterburger on Feb 6, 2015 18:10:26 GMT -5
Speaking of stocks, has anyone seen the plastic or composite 1903 drill stocks that seem to pop up all over the place lately? They are cheap as dirt, I'm wondering if they're suitable for airsoft conversion.
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Post by brownien on Feb 6, 2015 21:25:20 GMT -5
I'd imagine so. Being the correct size for real 1903's, I'd believe that they would work well for conversions. Just have to make sure they don't have the finger grooves in the sides of the stock. Only other worry is have, would be if they are made of Bakelite. I know certain types of Bakelite can be a bit brittle
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Post by ScottCollins on Feb 6, 2015 22:42:36 GMT -5
I personally would not trust drill rifle stocks as they are slightly weaker. You can see so in this post: ww2aa.proboards.com/thread/9903 I knew I had seen someone use a drill rifle and it took a little digging but In his build, everything worked fine... until the stock snapped in half.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 7, 2015 1:28:17 GMT -5
The effort to dremel out a plastic stock is greater than what is required for a wood stock and when the work is done you have a plastic pseudo wood stock. Not worth the trouble in my opinion. The home built conversions are always more impressive when done on a real wood stock. I too remain perplexed as why no one does a springer bolt action that is non shell ejecting.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Feb 7, 2015 1:39:06 GMT -5
Not to defer from the topic too much, but I wonder why market researchers from large airsoft companies don't read this forum before producing their WW2 modles? They could really learn a lot from this target market of experts on the subject of what air softers are going to want or buy. We buy a lot of guns you would think they would want to know what their target audience is looking for in a rifle. A Crome plated M1 Garand? Really? Rant over!
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Post by insterburger on Feb 7, 2015 9:40:12 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more, Jer. The first rule of business is "find a need and fill it." Sometimes it seems like the airsoft companies decide what model to make next by randomly flipping open a pictorial encyclopedia of guns instead of going to the effort of finding out what their consumers want. Not at all speaking to modern replicas, but for those who make the decisions on what historic models to replicate, as you say it would take them all of a few hours of sifting through these forums and they could have their product schedule for the next 5 years worked out.
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Post by Dracul on Feb 7, 2015 10:07:12 GMT -5
I don't know, I think I might prefer the plastic stocks over the wood ones. I live in an apartment and cutting wood makes too much of a mess, but cutting plastic is almost the polar opposite since there isn't dust and I'm more or less "melting" the plastic (that fall off is bigger chunks). I might have to look into this. Even with how minimal cutting needing for these techniques, I'd much prefer cutting plastic. This is just me though.
I won't argue that real wood stocks look better. It would be pretty absurd to argue that....
Also, depending how much these go for, the cost can probably be significantly less than wood.
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Post by brownien on Feb 7, 2015 11:52:54 GMT -5
If you're going to be melting the plastic stocks the cut into them, please make sure to wear a respirator! In the process of melting, you often burn a bit of the plastic you melt, releasing some deadly fumes into the air. Use a respirator and make sure the area you are working in is well ventilated. I once did some plastic cutting by melting, and wasn't aware about the chemicals released, and ended up halfway done, very dizzy and nauseous. I got some fresh air and sat outside for a half hour and felt much better, while reading up on why I felt that way.
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Post by Dracul on Feb 7, 2015 13:07:51 GMT -5
I never got that with when dremeling plastic. Whenever I dremel plastic, with either a cutting blade or a sanding tip, it usually just become malleable and it reshapes the plastic into unusable chunks. I've been doing this for awhile and I never felt anything like that.
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Post by insterburger on Feb 7, 2015 13:44:07 GMT -5
A lower speed setting might help avoid the burn, but I usually get a bit of the fume release as well, even on my tool's lowest speed.Caution is always good.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 7, 2015 13:45:40 GMT -5
The Garand and Springfield composite stocks are exactly the same size and shape as the wood stocks they would replace so unlike the slightly downsized drill stock someone attempted to use their dimensions should work fine. The composition is quite solid however and not at all like the plastic stocks used on airsoft rifles which are typically thin shells.
I agree with the recommendation for at the very least a filter mask. I would be curious how cheaply these springfield stocks are and which shape they depict? Are they the straight stocks? The scant stocks or the C stocks? Do they include hardware because thats where the REAL costs add up for a Springfield. stock bands, sling hardware, butt plates and front and rear sites.
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Post by brownien on Feb 7, 2015 16:58:12 GMT -5
To clarify, my method of melting to cut plastic involves a solder gun, with the tip replaced by thick copper wire shaped like a chisel. Pull the trigger, the element heats up rapidly, and can melt through plastic like a knife through butter. I've used this method with especially great ease clearing plastic reinforcing pieces from within buttstocks to accomadate larger batteries.
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Post by insterburger on Feb 7, 2015 18:58:48 GMT -5
Nate, that's good to know about for those nooks and crannies where a normal cutting blade is hard to reach. Thanks!
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Feb 8, 2015 13:10:59 GMT -5
I get fumes when cutting plastic stocks. I try to do it outside so I get plenty of ventilation. Also be careful not to breath in the fumes and dust from grinding and cutting the pot metal parts. Who knows what kind of nasty stuff like heavy metals ends up in there. At least ware a dust mask. Wash your hands afterward to get any residue from this stuff off. I don't trust Chinese safety standards for materials in their manufacturing. There has been so many recalls on toys that have hazardous materials in them. They probably don't care much about consumer safety. And they certainly never intended for the consumer to be cutting/burning there products. Be careful, take safety precautions!
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Post by reichelderfer on Feb 8, 2015 17:28:40 GMT -5
From the looks of it, that scope should be a separate purchase considering almost nothing has changed to the rifle, really sad. Although, I do look forward to the scope being released as it would be nice to not hunt down look-a-likes or have a sad looking modern scope on a replica.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 8, 2015 18:29:01 GMT -5
reich, I was thinking the same thing. If the mounting hardware is half way authentic that can be a huge savings as replica 1903a4 scope hardware is brutally expensive.
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Post by kiwi432 on Feb 8, 2015 21:54:13 GMT -5
Taiwan airsoft companies in particular only really look at the market inside of taiwan. I have suggested someof these ideas to several people i know who run various airsoft companies. But apparently they are not good. And the market in taiwan for replicas that work well is not thatbig f For ww2. People just buy them for sitting on the wall.i think it is the same with japan and hong kong. Even with moden guns they just want them for looks rather then use. Anyways hope that helps
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Post by reichelderfer on Feb 9, 2015 12:38:38 GMT -5
And considering the cost of the kar98k/G980 scope that you can buy/add to your G980 costs $100, I'd be fine with that or even $150 for one to throw onto a 1903.
Someone made a valid point though, if the G&G can fit into a C type stock or (scant grip?) with little to no modification I'd be all giddy and pick one up, but for now I'm waiting for what the next 6 months has in store for us.
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Post by gunner79 on Feb 10, 2015 11:08:31 GMT -5
Well said. My line of work takes me, oftentimes, into the world of product safety. Specifically, the compliance of domestic commercial entities vis a vis their regulatory obligation in the testing and clearance of materials used in the manufacture of product imported into the U.S. for domestic consumption. Probably would not surprise anyone at some of the (truly) toxic nastiness that has been documented as existing in said product coming from manufacturers domiciled in third world and other foreign jurisdictions. China has been involved in some pretty shocking, and fairly consistent, lapses in consumer product safety and there is ample documentation of this (but China is certainly not alone in this regard). I would strongly encourage robust respiratory protection when grinding away at some of the metallurgical substances that arrive from overseas sources. I mean - ingesting even minute amounts of Methyl Mercuric substances, among other equally lethal impurities, is guaranteed to ruin your day...... Gunner79 I get fumes when cutting plastic stocks. I try to do it outside so I get plenty of ventilation. Also be careful not to breath in the fumes and dust from grinding and cutting the pot metal parts. Who knows what kind of nasty stuff like heavy metals ends up in there. At least ware a dust mask. Wash your hands afterward to get any residue from this stuff off. I don't trust Chinese safety standards for materials in their manufacturing. There has been so many recalls on toys that have hazardous materials in them. They probably don't care much about consumer safety. And they certainly never intended for the consumer to be cutting/burning there products. Be careful, take safety precautions!
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Post by DRK on Mar 9, 2015 13:47:06 GMT -5
At shot show I asked for release date on the scoped version (bolt racking was great) I was told "eh after summer".
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Post by stuka on Mar 9, 2015 15:12:33 GMT -5
it's a freaking scope, if they didn't even change the body, whats the freaking problem?
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Post by DRK on Mar 9, 2015 18:35:10 GMT -5
Supply chain much? We don't know what their costs are and what they have to deal wih as well as, products could be timed for specified reasons.
G&G also has heard many complaints to bring back the colored BB's in various weights, question of when was answered by starting in the summer.
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Post by <2>nd Rangers M/Sgt. Tom on Nov 20, 2015 11:54:39 GMT -5
The original post pic is of the Prototype, the release model has no front sight, however this gun is closer to a 1903A3 than a 4 due to the stock not having the pistol Garand style but stock, this link will illustrate what I'm talking about. www.trfindley.com/pgm1903stkid.htmlLong story short the gun is correct however for a A3 not an A4, good news if u wanna do a pre 1943 sniper impression bad news if you are specifically looking for an A4.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 20, 2015 12:43:13 GMT -5
Interesting post showing the different stock shapes for the "Springfield". The picture with the Actor Gary Cooper as Sgt York is interesting as he carried a Springfield in the movie but the real Sgt York was armed with an Enfield produced rifle. The US at that stage of the conflict didn't have sufficient rifles to arm all their soldiers.
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