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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 22, 2015 12:12:12 GMT -5
I was hoping that the Mid-West area and seasons would be perfect for Winter War and Continuation War.Plus a Finnish airsoft unit is totally possible as there are plenty of stuff to get or interchange with.The Mid-West terrain and seasons is almost perfect for what was really like in the Finnish-Front.We could get both Soviet and Finnish units to partake in two events that replicates the two wars.Winter would be the Winter War with the cold and if possible the snow while Continuation War would be spring/summer with more vegetation for cover.The wars were mainly fought in the forests or in trenches/dugouts.Hiki Shop now has plenty of Finnish stuff to get the basic uniform kit going.As for Soviets the same applies as there are lots of USSR stuff for the cheap.I feel that this is a great way to make an event out of a war that is hardly known out here.If anyone is up for it we could make it a thing.We could get the research down and make it as real as we can.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Mar 22, 2015 14:53:57 GMT -5
I'm working on a Nord unit for blankfire, but for airsoft no one does Russian. Honestly. As cool as all these pipe dreams are, nearly NONE of them are possible at this time. we need people.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 22, 2015 15:02:11 GMT -5
Understandable,though I'm sure our ranks into WW2 airsofting will get better.It one of my future plans to start Finnish-front but like you said,our numbers aren't that great.
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Post by Dracul on Mar 22, 2015 16:20:02 GMT -5
The main problem is the lack of Mosin Nagants out there. The few Mosin Nagants out there are kind of crappy, and there aren't a lot of people who make the conversions. From what it looks like, is that there are plenty of uniform sources, just not enough weapons. Luckily, I guess, the Mosin can be used for both sides. One could even go further and swap out hardware and mod a Mosin into the Finnish M39.
Don't get me wrong though, this would be pretty damned awesome, and I even want to do a Finnish impression eventually.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 22, 2015 16:44:04 GMT -5
Yea the lack of good weapons is a drawback.I too am trying to find a decent airsoft Mosin but from what I've seen most have poor construction.For Continuation War there would be the PPSH-41 but to have most men outfitted in the field with it is unrealistic.The only thing I can think of is substituting the Mosin with other similar rifles until something better comes along.
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Post by Dracul on Mar 22, 2015 17:20:49 GMT -5
And on note of making Mosins. There hasn't been much luck with doing the standard springer mod. Since the Mosin's stock is incredibly thin. The Hairy Apple's approach would be much more suited for this. Or, if you are skilled enough, you can follow this: ww2aa.proboards.com/thread/6373/20-m38-mosin-nagant Its been recently updated with modern info, as well.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 22, 2015 18:08:31 GMT -5
If only I had the skills :DThis Finn project is something I had in mind but there are limitations to realized as noted here.If there isn't many Soviets to fight off we could do Lapland War which was Finland vs Germany.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 25, 2015 21:09:15 GMT -5
I was thinking seriously as well that I can form my own Ohio based Wehrmacht unit.I would love to form a unit that follows real German tactics,squads,ect.I would definitely put effort into this and have a unit to participate in local events.
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Post by Dracul on Mar 25, 2015 22:00:48 GMT -5
That definitely would be more doable, but if I'm not mistaken, there was a decent amount of uniform changes between all their wars in WWII. They started with wool uniforms and by the end of the Continuation War, their uniforms were made out of coarse, unrefined denim.
Between this thread and a book I've been reading at work, it makes me want to put a Finnish impression together as well. Too bad that if we ever get tanks in airsoft, it wouldn't be a good thing have the tank fall into a frozen lake because of a giant booby trap.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 25, 2015 22:33:58 GMT -5
You're right about the uniform changes.Same with the field caps depending on the season too.If the Finnish front thing doesn't work out would it be good to form a Wehrmacht unit instead that follows real tactics,ranks,equipment useage,ect.It would surely add more numbers to the hobby with such units.
The Finnish thing would work if only there was more proper Soviet weaponry available.I'm a quarter done with my spring/summer Finnish impression.
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 25, 2015 22:36:31 GMT -5
The denim uniform was the summer uniform, adopted in the mid-30's.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 25, 2015 22:42:02 GMT -5
Finland had a very rag-tag look to them with their various European surplus equipment.The basic kit itself is very simple.It was common to not have two ammo pouches and only have a few other essentials.A basic kit in my estimate would be at least under $300.
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Post by Dracul on Mar 25, 2015 23:07:13 GMT -5
During the Winter War, their basic gear kit was the Finnish leather belt, one WWI Mauser pouch, German WWI breadbag with strap (instead of suspenders), and a Czech helmet. Forgot what style canteen they used, whether they made theirs or got stocks from Germany. I can't find a source of those Czech helmets though.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 25, 2015 23:10:53 GMT -5
They used WWI German canteens and a few other types.Finns used quite a few helmet types
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Mar 26, 2015 14:03:56 GMT -5
If only some people put all the effort they do into daydreaming on here into recruiting instead....
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 26, 2015 14:50:06 GMT -5
If only some people put all the effort they do into daydreaming on here into recruiting instead.... We definitely need the boost.We need some way of promoting and get plenty others inspired into the hobby.
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 26, 2015 19:17:57 GMT -5
Maybe we've just got too many wars to compete with. Looking at the local Airsoft FB page it seems like all the Kool Kids are into modern Russian or SOCOM load outs. I strongly suspect none of them even know there is a place called "Finnland."
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 26, 2015 20:31:22 GMT -5
Maybe we've just got too many wars to compete with. Looking at the local Airsoft FB page it seems like all the Kool Kids are into modern Russian or SOCOM load outs. I strongly suspect none of them even know there is a place called "Finnland." Sadly its true :DIf we had one out of three players with BDU's,tactical vests,kevlar,ect. and thrust them into our ranks we would of had full armies.I would love to see a Finnish front event but like what others said there's barely anyone doing WWII.
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Post by Dracul on Mar 26, 2015 21:03:35 GMT -5
Well, I think that the matter is that anyone barely even knows that WWII airsofting exists. I don't mean to sound like an a-hole, but posting and trying to get interest here, is not the best idea. Mainly because everyone who actually found this forum and participate are interested enough to not have needed to be recruited. Or rather, who is going to see these types of posts that aren't already on here? We need people who don't know about this and WWII airsoft in general to be in the know, even before they can get interested.
You have to get the idea out there, to all the other airsofters. I know my area has an Airsoft Facebook Group. What I will be doing, is once I get the ball rolling and playing more, I'm going to post in the region FB group something like this: A group of WWII reenactors will be playing at so and so field on so and so day. So, come on down, play with us, check out the uniforms, the guns.
I don't know how successful this tactic is going to be, but its getting the idea out there. And if you have loaner kits for rent, you can always offer rentals.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 26, 2015 21:14:40 GMT -5
Well, I think that the matter is that anyone barely even knows that WWII airsofting exists. I don't mean to sound like an a-hole, but posting and trying to get interest here, is not the best idea. Mainly because everyone who actually found this forum and participate are interested enough to not have needed to be recruited. Or rather, who is going to see these types of posts that aren't already on here? We need people who don't know about this and WWII airsoft in general to be in the know, even before they can get interested. You have to get the idea out there, to all the other airsofters. I know my area has an Airsoft Facebook Group. What I will be doing, is once I get the ball rolling and playing more, I'm going to post in the region FB group something like this: A group of WWII reenactors will be playing at so and so field on so and so day. So, come on down, play with us, check out the uniforms, the guns. I don't know how successful this tactic is going to be, but its getting the idea out there. And if you have loaner kits for rent, you can always offer rentals. That is a good start in promoting it.I just don't know where to start because here in southern Ohio there doesn't seem to be a large airsofting community.Perhaps also joining airsoft forums,show your stuff,and also get the word out.I'm surprised it hasn't grown to be a super large community since WWII is a very popular war.Perhaps when Call of Duty gets back to its roots because for sure many do airsoft for a live COD multiplayer experience:D
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 26, 2015 21:54:39 GMT -5
Years ago when I was still doing regular Airsoft I tried to get some interest in WWII themed games. The most common comment (not that there were many)was "It costs too much to get the kit together." 2nd Bat may have the right idea, gathering a supply of loaner equipment. But not many can afford that.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Mar 26, 2015 22:18:00 GMT -5
Lots of work to be done for sure.
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