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Post by stuka on Jun 3, 2015 12:12:56 GMT -5
Well realistically it will pry end up being a bit thicker but oh well, if they make a arisaka i'll be happy, just gotta find a rubber type 30 bayonet
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 3, 2015 13:15:23 GMT -5
I agree that an Arisaka using the VSR hardware will probably be a little thicker than the original (side to side) but inconsequentially. I truly hope this S&T offering is highly successful and leads to additional offerings following the same approach. (non shell ejecting, springers). The order I would like to see them expand would be Kar 98, Enfield and Arisaka.
If the performance is truly high 300s, low 400s and the rifle proves to be reliable its going to be a big hit. An added plus would be if they went with the JG VSR components as they are entirely upgradable with all performance parts where the TSD, UTG, CYMA, AGM and other VSR clones are not. The trigger box is typically the weak point in all these guns (especially the AGM) but trigger assemblies are interchangeable with all of them.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 3, 2015 13:31:26 GMT -5
Definitely picking one of these up in the near future!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 3, 2015 13:38:42 GMT -5
As am I!
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Post by stuka on Jun 3, 2015 17:23:21 GMT -5
Seeing as there were two common variations of the enfield and the arisaka rifles (Smle and no.4 I believe and type38 to type 99), which variants do you think would be needed more? I think the earlier variants would be more logical but I know the type 38 would be immensely longer.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 3, 2015 17:55:14 GMT -5
The earlier variants tend to be more desireable as they are suitable for every campaign. Sometimes however a variant was far and above more numerous and therefore makes more sense.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 3, 2015 17:58:57 GMT -5
I'd definitely say SMLE for any Enfield. Not because it was more popular, but it was used more. Not just the early war vs late war thing. Remember, the Aussies never adopted the No. 4 (not sure about New Zealand). Release the SMLE and the entire Commonwealth can use it.
As per the Japanese rifles, I'm only going to talk technical terms here. If the Type 38 is extremely long, there is a good chance that it won't be made only because the cylinder air pressure VS barrel length thing. Long story short, if a barrel is TOO long, its harmful to FPS and accuracy.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jun 3, 2015 20:55:25 GMT -5
Remember though, the inner barrel doesn't absolutely have to go to the end of the outer one. One can have a very long outer barrel for pure cosmetic reasons. I would still advise a Type 99, however, since it was standard issue for the IJA during the war.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 3, 2015 21:23:56 GMT -5
That is quite true as well.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 3, 2015 22:52:03 GMT -5
The phenomena Dracul is referring to is sometimes referred to as "barrel suck". The ability to use an additional length of outer barrel as pointed out by Shifty is valid. With airsofts limited range an extremely long rifle presents significant downsides with no real upsides. Compared to most airsofters we tend to have a lot of long rifles which is part and parcel to our hobby.
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Post by stuka on Jun 4, 2015 11:50:17 GMT -5
The type 99 only came into existence in 1939 and even then it probably wasn't until 41 or perhaps later that they were given out in proper numbers and even then, the type 38's were still prevalent. There is a reason they were captured and sent to the US haha.
I guess they could do a carbine variant of the type 38 but at that point it wouldn't appear that much different than the type 99.
Considering that tanaka made a type 38 I wonder if there was much barrel suck and I don't think it is much bigger than a mosin at the end of the day so there is that.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 4, 2015 12:14:25 GMT -5
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Post by daehahn on Jun 4, 2015 12:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by stuka on Jun 4, 2015 13:29:50 GMT -5
For 148 is a FANTASTIC price. I know where my paycheck is going here is hoping they are there till Tuesday
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 4, 2015 14:03:42 GMT -5
wow! it appears to be a dream come true! Droop, Very clever solution to the hop up system and expedient way to have on hand your adjustment. VSR clones hop up are simply incapable of providing adequate spin for BBs over 20 gram and for bolt action rifles you really need heavier Bbs. great modification to what otherwise appears to be an excellent rifle.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 4, 2015 14:09:12 GMT -5
That is incredible!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 4, 2015 14:12:27 GMT -5
I am blown away by a $148.00 price tag for an all wood Springer and have ordered it. We all believed such a thing was possible but I for one never thought I'd see it happen, Considering I have sold a lot of custom conversions with Faux wood and no where near the quality and precision of this offering for $500.00 plus this is fabulous. Can a Kar 98 be following shortly? If so WW2 airsoft has removed its final major weapns gap!
Garands and BARs Vs Kar 98s and a lot of MG43s = authenticity! can't wait!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 4, 2015 14:38:45 GMT -5
In my excitement to place my order I almost forgot to grab the coupon code for free shipping. As you finalize your payment (late in the process) there is a spot for a coupon code. I used FREESHIP. Which is the current code to deduct the shipping cost. I am astounded that I am able to buy this gun for under $150.00 shipped to my door!
I guess I should quickly sell all my homemade conversion bolt actions while I can still get something for them!!!! Yikes!
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Post by daehahn on Jun 4, 2015 14:52:29 GMT -5
If they do make a good kar98 springer, hopefully its at a decent price as well, like this 1903.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 4, 2015 15:19:33 GMT -5
We're getting ahead of ourselves of course, as at this point we don't know just how good these are or how durable they will prove to be but at $148.00 the risk is quite marginal. assuming they are good (and sell well) a Kar 98 is a logical follow up that i have to believe will be an even better seller. i will submit a full review assuming I get mine before I depart on my next trip.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 4, 2015 16:56:42 GMT -5
I just ordered this one myself as soon as my buddy told me. I'll do a review myself. To be honest, with what it is, as long as the externals don't suck, it should be good to go. Since, one would most likely upgrade this, as they do with most VSR clones anyway.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 4, 2015 17:29:32 GMT -5
I will expect to simply do the simple upgrades such as replace the trigger box, perhaps snip the nozzle and add teflon tape where called for. The modification to the hop up shown by Droopaille also appears very worthwhile. I find when you upgrade too much, reliability suffers, cocking effort becomes challenging and if you get above 400 FPS the engagement rules at most fields (which I agree with) become too limiting for the operator of a "bolty". Since most of our bolty operators will be riflemen per se and not snipers (airsoft snipers are beyond stupid in my book in my book anyway) the 75 foot minimum engagement distance is just too limiting and hard to calculate in the heat of battle.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 4, 2015 17:42:01 GMT -5
You know, that could be perhaps why its at a 390fps. Right under that 400fps, and still give room for FPS increase from fixing up compression. I think these guys might be listening to our prayers here.
Buuuut, we won't know that until we get it. However, if the sears and piston are made out of metal, there won't be worry of it breaking down anytime soon, especially with the lesser spring load. We might just have a cheap, effective, reliable right out of the box WWII bolt action right here.
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Post by daehahn on Jun 4, 2015 18:03:56 GMT -5
What would also be nice is if companies made Thompsons and MP40s with much less effective range, because the smgs are now being used long range with full auto. If we somehow lessened the effectiveness of smgs at long range, then the bolt action guys will have an advantage of longer effective range. Also does anyone know where I can get spare mags for the 1903? I don't see it on Evike.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jun 4, 2015 18:50:36 GMT -5
Ehobbyasia have some. I really hope they become available in the States soon though. I may well pick up one of these myself.
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Post by daehahn on Jun 4, 2015 18:59:35 GMT -5
Ehobbyasia is already out of stock and the mags..
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Post by stuka on Jun 4, 2015 21:50:31 GMT -5
well doesn't turning off the hop up kind of do exactly that? I don't think anybody would purposefully mass produce a terrible gun
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Post by stuka on Jun 4, 2015 22:05:47 GMT -5
As of this post, evike has 92 in stock, assuming they are up to date online so that should give people a bit of breathing room
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 4, 2015 22:19:28 GMT -5
In a perfect world of WW2 skirmishing I'd like to see rifle ammunition limited to the enertia equivalent of around 420 FPS with .20 grams and SMGs limited to 300 FPS without hop up. This will probably never happen but it would cause people to more authentically choose weapns and field them more accurately as battle contributors. As it is the small, full auto weapons have no real downsides. We have already seen how increasing the number of players limited to semi auto and controlling ammo has had a really positive impact on gameplay.
There are effective and inexpensive FPS limiters that screw onto muzzles so springs do not have to be changed.
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Post by heckman328 on Jun 5, 2015 10:12:15 GMT -5
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