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Post by youonlywish on Jul 27, 2015 17:51:24 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 3, 2015 22:13:31 GMT -5
Great review. I like your candor and think most readers here will as well. My ICS remains my favorite off the shelf airsoft weapon
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Post by legion101 on Aug 4, 2015 16:21:26 GMT -5
Nice review... Straight up and to a point.. Congrats
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Post by wwiiguy on May 29, 2016 18:30:03 GMT -5
Great review. I like your candor and think most readers here will as well. My ICS remains my favorite off the shelf airsoft weapon Do you know if ICS magazines fit in an at the front shop ammo belt
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Post by wwiiguy on May 29, 2016 18:30:20 GMT -5
Great review. I like your candor and think most readers here will as well. My ICS remains my favorite off the shelf airsoft weapon Do you know if ICS magazines fit in an at the front shop ammo belt
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Post by shiftysgarand on May 29, 2016 19:53:57 GMT -5
Great review. I like your candor and think most readers here will as well. My ICS remains my favorite off the shelf airsoft weapon Do you know if ICS magazines fit in an at the front shop ammo belt No, not practically. You can wedge them in but the flap won't close and they will take too long to pull out.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 29, 2016 22:25:01 GMT -5
I agree with Shifty on this. Even with the magazine base plate removed they are too tight to easily slip in and out during skirmishes. It's best to use cotton bandoleers or pockets. Since each clip effectively holds around 30 rounds, five or six clips and a speed loader are enough for effective action in a WW2 event where low caps limited ammo and an abundance of semi auto and bolt action weapons are present.
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Post by wwiiguy on May 31, 2016 18:27:16 GMT -5
Thank you! How disappointing maybee ill find a way to add fabic and make it work
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 31, 2016 20:42:53 GMT -5
Another thought that may work is to wet the webbing and stretch it out by wedging material into the pockets stressing the fabric to the extreme extent possible leave it to dry overnight and repeat over several nights. This may stretch the pockets out enough to work. Naturally if the pockets still have the stripper clip straps and snaps cut them away (a common practice amongst GIs and Marines armed with Garands. The other thought if airborne is to go with riggers pouches.
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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 1, 2016 19:25:36 GMT -5
Not airborne but I did hear about the water overnight thing however didnt trust it but now I do
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 1, 2016 21:13:13 GMT -5
It's worth trying in my opinion if storing your spare clips there is that important.
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Post by scvngr on Jun 4, 2016 16:54:07 GMT -5
Remove the baseplate, and trim the fins on the right side of the mag with a hacksaw, then glue trimmed material into mag well. The trimmed mags will now fit into the cartridge belt.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jun 4, 2016 17:20:01 GMT -5
Interesting solution. Can they still be inserted and removed from the rifle in a practical amount of time?
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Post by stuka on Jun 5, 2016 7:57:22 GMT -5
do they fit in the proper pouches then too?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 5, 2016 10:56:12 GMT -5
Interesting solution. One could then further fill the stock magwell area so cosmetically the Garand from the bottom would look more correct with a mag inserted. As mentioned in his post with the magazine base removed and one side shaved down the mags fit in your Garand pouches. Great idea! This is why I love this forum!
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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 5, 2016 19:52:20 GMT -5
do they fit in the proper pouches then too? i know the thing is in total about 4 inches long so id say its 4x1 now
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jun 5, 2016 19:53:20 GMT -5
Are they any more difficult to insert or remove from the rifle?
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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 5, 2016 19:58:13 GMT -5
Interesting solution. One could then further fill the stock magwell area so cosmetically the Garand from the bottom would look more correct with a mag inserted. As mentioned in his post with the magazine base removed and one side shaved down the mags fit in your Garand pouches. Great idea! This is why I love this forum! what i was thinking is trim these with the baseplate on or do what he did but glue the baseplate on then keep the thin trimmed baseplate at the bottom of magazine and it should fit. Man if i had my ICS right now!
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 6, 2016 12:28:26 GMT -5
I would think you could take one of the baseplates and cut two strips off it, then glue them to the stock on either side of the magwell so at least from the side it would look normal. Might make it a little more difficult to get the mags out, but maybe a bit of foam rubber or a small spring glued on top the mag would give it a little kick to start it out.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 6, 2016 16:19:43 GMT -5
Exactly what I was thinking. When I get home I will experiment with this concept. Another thought is to trim BOTH sides but leaving a sufficient notch for the mag release mechanism. If modified correctly I can't see any reason they would be any more difficult to load or reload than unaltered clips. Their smaller size would be a major plus on a lot of levels.
Without modifications I dremeled a couple thumb notches in the stock base as these aided the pinching process needed to pop the clip out. Something similar (though perhaps more discrete) might need to be added to the newly formed sidewall made from the edges of the removed clip base plate. The one or two new seams created in the clip base shouldn't be too distracting I wouldn't think?
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 7, 2016 13:00:48 GMT -5
Hmmmmm. If we only knew someone with a 3D printer, we could take a modified mag apart and start reproducing it.....
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 7, 2016 16:22:24 GMT -5
For anyone contemplating a slice down both sides, remember that the mag release is built into the left side. I don't think that is an insurmountable hurdle by any means but it is a consideration. Once finalized set up for a 3D printer would be awesome.
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Post by reichelderfer on Aug 18, 2016 15:27:58 GMT -5
Does anyone have a side by side comparison to a real M1 Garand in terms of trasnferring the internals over to a real steel stock?
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Post by shiftysgarand on Aug 18, 2016 16:05:54 GMT -5
The guys over at ICS made the stock oversized to avoid stock necks breaking, but I still have heard of ICS stocks snapping. In my opinion, squeezing an ICS Garand gearbox into a much thinner RS stock is an unwise choice. The front end, however, can be modified with real parts which considerably enhances the look of the rifle.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 18, 2016 17:43:56 GMT -5
In isolation from an actual Garand I have no real issues with the overall look of the ICS Garand other than the oversized sling hardware and exaggerated gap between the barrel and gas trap assembly. When laid beside an actual Garand is if off pretty much everywhere. Love the way it performs and found easy solutions for it cosmetically.
Still plan to attempt this clip mod when I return home. I have eight clips to tweak on hand. With the mag well area augmented it would neccessitate alterring any mags used with my rifle but I'm okay with that. Wish ICS and GnG had anticipated the attraction of being able to use the belt pouches.
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Post by reichelderfer on Aug 18, 2016 18:14:29 GMT -5
Thanks a bunch guys!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 30, 2016 20:58:08 GMT -5
So many projects awaited my return home including some sold items that needed to be finished and shipped. Now that those are caught up I have decided to start in on this clip modification. I plan to trim both sides leaving a small section of depth on the mag catch side and a thin foam "spring" on the roof of the mag well so the clips will "pop out" with the push on the bolt release button.
While I was gone my stock obviously swelled a bit through the mag walls as clips are harder than ever to remove. Without this adaptation I would have been shaving down either the inner mag walls or the outer skin on all my clips.
The plan is to slice the clip base edges and mount them permanently to the stock mag well edges. I will post pictures of my progress.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 3, 2016 22:40:23 GMT -5
To catch up on this clip modification process. With the slide-on base removed the clips fit in the pouches just fine but still too snug to make slipping in and out easy. The vacancy no longer filled in the stock base is distracting visually but not particularly noticeable during game play. If you glue in removed edges of the baseplate, removable of the clips would be very difficult. Incidentally with the base plate removed pulling out the clips is easier than an unmodified clip.
Therefore the simple solution is keep one unmodified clip for display and remove the baseplate from all your spares. If the foam "spring" concept on the mag well roof works I may still pursue modification but not sure if I feel the need anymore?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 5, 2016 17:42:26 GMT -5
So fiddled with the clips quite a bit today field testing quick loads pulling these clips out of the belt pouches as well as attempting to slip unloaded clips back in. This still isn't satisfactory even with the baseplate removed.
The belt pouches are tapered to accommodate the shape of an actual enblock clip. Using my dremel I shaved the outer wall fins tapering the rear of the clips on both sides. With this done the clips fit very nicely in the pouches and the snaps are much easier to use. The remaining fins still tend to snag a bit so I am going to fill these surfaces with resin paste,sand and finish nicely. While I'm at it I will clean up the base plate which looks tacky otherwise.
With these tapered cuts the modified clips still fit nice and snug but insert in the gun and pop out seamlessly and with NO effort. This simple mod was well worth the effort and builds on my appreciation of the ICS Garand as a tremendous addition to our hobby.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 5, 2016 18:36:50 GMT -5
So once tapered I wanted to see if the base plate still slips into place (which they do).
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