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Post by wade on Jun 1, 2007 17:30:32 GMT -5
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Post by theriseandfall on Jun 1, 2007 20:16:10 GMT -5
just because were on the subject (or off a subject depending on how you look at it) I recently bought a pair of goggles frequently seen being used by 101st and 82nd, will that be alright for eye protection? I know they arent designed to stop BBs, but of all the shots ive had in the face, i've never had a head jarring round hit my saftey glasses and i figured they would be alright and would provide a period correct alternative. Opinions???
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Post by Ripper on Jun 1, 2007 23:42:26 GMT -5
They should be rated to ANSI Z87.1 or better for use as protective lenses. That is the current industrial and baseline Mil-spec standard for impact resistant eyewear. Standard U.S. issued sand wind and dust goggles are not even close. However, you can get ballistic rated lenses for those. They are Z87.1 rated. The SWD's are close to the WWII version, but not exact.
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Post by wade on Jun 2, 2007 21:41:12 GMT -5
They make Ballistic lenses for the SWD's (and WWII variant). If I am thinking correctly, You might have the same goggles as me. if so, than the lenses should fit, if not you might just need t cut them down a bit.
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Post by odinfish on Jul 23, 2007 9:04:12 GMT -5
Neoptolemus...do you live outside the US where some of these symbols are banned? If not, then why bother with a German impression if you don't want to authentically portray even a common Landser? According to your picture you're attempting to develop an impression of an SS trooper...well, I'll just leave it at that.
Mike
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Post by Doom on Jul 23, 2007 10:03:11 GMT -5
Odin....I assume he lives in Germany (DDR gear). The swastica is a banned symbol in Germany and France. He could look at it this way, the Chinese used the swastica hundreds of years before the Nazis stole it as their own....
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Post by odinfish on Jul 23, 2007 10:13:55 GMT -5
Doom...that's why I asked if he lived outside the US. DDR stuff can be had just about anywhere. It's understandable tho' if he lived in Germany or France where such symbols are banned...but for some reason I was under the impression that he was from the US, lol, don't ask me why. I'm not implying anything, I'd just like to know this fellow's reasoning if he is from here is all. Mike
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Post by neoptolemus on Jul 23, 2007 12:06:03 GMT -5
I collect a lot of camouflage and happen to like pea dot, plane tree, oak leaf, and other SS patterns, but I don't play in a formal unit and so don't like dealing with the stupid and inane questions associated with using the swastika or SS runes while playing in public games full of guys in modern gear.
like I said, my primary impression is Charlemagne so I use a cuff title and volunteer arm shield, but other than that I don't wear anything else.
The DDR gear is just a substitute as the canteen retains the shape of the German one, and the belt is a belt.
Also on the M-44 dot uniform, the only insignia would be the shoulder eagle...
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Post by odinfish on Jul 23, 2007 14:48:43 GMT -5
A lot of people have to deal with the same thing, that is being the only guy to show up "in kit" to a "normal" Airsoft game. But that's how you drum up interest. It's ok to not know all the answers to others' questions...no one knows every bit of history. The most common question is probably, "Are you a Nazi?" Your response: "No, I have in interest in WWII and this is one of the many impressions of a German soldier at that time." This is your hobby mein Freund...take some pride in it as you're the one sinking money into it. It's ok to have gear with Swastikas on it since you are impersonating a historical Deutsche Soldat and not walking around chanting "white power" while spray-painting them on Synagogues. But, to each their own...and, with all due respect, I don't see how you'll ever get out of the "Axis 'I'm working on it' " thread.
Just my 2 pfennigs worth is all. No animosity intended.
Mike
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 23, 2007 16:08:09 GMT -5
Not comfortable wearing a swastika? Then don''t do it. You look WW2 German to me. Sure you have some missing/wrong parts to the impression but you are definatley German. You can cut off the swastika and just wear the eagle with the swastika cut off. I have seen many people do it.
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Post by click on Jul 23, 2007 16:25:04 GMT -5
You can cut off the swastika and just wear the eagle with the swastika cut off. I have seen many people do it. Yeah good idea dan, but I would say to make sure to only cut swasticas off repros. Click
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Post by neoptolemus on Jul 23, 2007 16:33:22 GMT -5
Yeah, thanks for the advice. I have considered doing it, but on the erbsenmuster uniform there is almost no insignia worn so it is nearly a moot point. For my M-44 tunic though, I am thinking of doing just that. The difficulty is a German impression doesn't need to be political; it can be based on historical or even purely aesthetic reasons. The swastika (the Nazi swastika that is) is a symbol of the capitulation of the Wehrmacht to the demands of politics and the termination of the Prussian tradition. The wearing of the swastika on the uniform is a symbol of this political compromise and wearing it is just a high profile way to strike controversy when all you do is play in public games. I understand that many will choose to wear runes, eagles, totenkopfs, and other symbols because they are necessary to their impression to be correct, but that's their choice. I don't think political insignia would be necessary to complete a good impression. On camouflage uniforms, insignia was kept to a minimum and in addition, the late war period I base my impressions on saw the absence of all helmet identification. As a result, the only inaccuracy I might face would be the lack of a correct belt. That doesn't really bother me though
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Post by Lev on Jul 26, 2007 11:07:55 GMT -5
I too understand the controversy of wearing these symbols. However, to claim that one can have a ww2 German impression without them is like pretending that dog poop doesn't stink. It goes with the territory.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 26, 2007 12:16:44 GMT -5
To each thier own I suppose UM.
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Post by 2ndranger on Jul 26, 2007 12:48:41 GMT -5
If your uncomfortable about the swastika...just use the sleave eagle and black out the swastika...I hope that you dont get offended by others who just choose to remain accurate.
Franz
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Post by odinfish on Jul 26, 2007 13:17:50 GMT -5
Comments on a few pics:
Franz...impression looks pretty damn good imo. Good apple-green color for your M35, but since it is apple-green you could throw on helmet decals if you were shooting for that late '39-'40 look. Then again, sometimes pics are misleading. The only oddities I could spot was your G43 pouch with the k98 pouch...it doesn't mean it's wrong, just odd. Wrong I suppose if you wanted the 1940 look? Also you have what looks like Panzergrenadier shoulder boards...to put a long story short, re-paint your helmet. Krylon camo olive drab and very lightly, rub some black shoe polish on it...nice effect for darkening the green a hair plus filth. Lol...and you're smiling with your bayonet fixed: either you're a battle-raged berserk or herding a bunch of Tommy prisoners. ;D
Drü...don't know much about the Luftwaffe except for their planes, therefore FJ is out for me. However, I have a question for ya...are those AK/tropical shirts and such under your smock? I guess what I'm getting at is, is that correct to have that combination?
Doom...I don't know much about the black leather straps and ammo pouches. I haven't seen the pouches show up at all in any of my books. I've heard it mentioned that some SS NCOs had them to a possible distribution to Gestapo. Nonetheless the pouches are considered a rarity. What is the color of the piping on your shoulder boards and such? It looks either red or orange. Are you sure you want any of those colors? However, if I were to make a deduction, it's orange-red and you're shooting for a Heer Feldgendarmerie impression? Hmm...now it all makes sense. Where did you buy your HBTs from btw?
Mike
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 26, 2007 13:27:41 GMT -5
Odin: Yes, I am portraying a late 43-44 FJ impression in Italy. They supply lines were so bad that the FJ would wear/ steal/ borrow any tropical clothing I have a tropical tunic and shirt. They would even wear Brit shorts, but my legs are a nasty white and I didn't feel like blinding people. I'm actually getting a sturm fliegierblouse soon, along with a Kar98.
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Post by odinfish on Jul 26, 2007 13:35:03 GMT -5
Odin: Yes, I am portraying a late 43-44 FJ impression in Italy. They supply lines were so bad that the FJ would wear/ steal/ borrow any tropical clothing I have a tropical tunic and shirt. They would even wear Brit shorts, but my legs are a nasty white and I didn't feel like blinding people. I'm actually getting a sturm fliegierblouse soon, along with a Kar98. Ah right...I do remember the scrounging bit now. Are the shorts the same do you think that some Gebirgsjager are seen wearing? Blinding white...lol. Only the hair on my legs add color to mine. Mike
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 26, 2007 13:58:43 GMT -5
I'm a live and let live kinda guy Frank. I personally wear my insignia just the way it was swastika and all. I was just saying if this gentleman wanted to forgo the swastika I have seen it done before and that is his choice I wouldn't down him for it thats all.
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Post by neoptolemus on Jul 26, 2007 16:15:17 GMT -5
Mind you a sleeve eagle is not necessary for an M43 Drill or M44 HBT camouflage uniform. There are numerous photos showing its use or absence, so I am just going to leave it off.
It's not offensive for others to use it, and I do believe that full insignia is the best course of action. At public games however, I would rather not ostracize myself simply for the sake of accuracy, especially since I am not on a team. The last thing I need is for some kid's parents to get antsy when they see me and complain to the management, who would probably ban me for being provocative. At a WWIIAA game, I am all for using patches and the like as its necessary; at an open game however, it just makes my day difficult.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 26, 2007 20:35:29 GMT -5
Odin: Yes, I am portraying a late 43-44 FJ impression in Italy. They supply lines were so bad that the FJ would wear/ steal/ borrow any tropical clothing I have a tropical tunic and shirt. They would even wear Brit shorts, but my legs are a nasty white and I didn't feel like blinding people. I'm actually getting a sturm fliegierblouse soon, along with a Kar98. Ah right...I do remember the scrounging bit now. Are the shorts the same do you think that some Gebirgsjager are seen wearing? Blinding white...lol. Only the hair on my legs add color to mine. Mike Most likely the GJ and FJ are wearing the same shorts. The upper leg is pale white the lower has light brown hair so it has some color
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Post by Russianboy on Jul 27, 2007 13:07:15 GMT -5
Drew, You need to roll in the mud or some thing. Every thing is CLEAN!!! lol. All my gear smells like dirt, smoke, and cigars.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 28, 2007 2:46:22 GMT -5
Drew, You need to roll in the mud or some thing. Every thing is CLEAN!!! lol. All my gear smells like dirt, smoke, and cigars. These pictures were taken at the begging of the weekend. But my smock is brand new, I got it like three days before. I'm also getting a new tunic soon. The only reason the tunic looks clean is because I washed it to shrink it. But yeah everything could be dirtier ;D
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Post by 2ndranger on Jul 30, 2007 0:26:07 GMT -5
Thanks Od, I was color blind for the moment while painting. I will fix that. The G43 pouch was because I put my tanaka kar98k mags in there. Thanks for the constructive criticism. AAdan, what I said made me sound a bit like an ass, what I meant, was if one is uncomfortable with wearing a swastika is one comfortable with being surrounded by guys wearing them? It was a real question. Sorry for the confusion.
Franz
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Post by Jager.Drü on Aug 5, 2007 22:42:41 GMT -5
Very Cool, Mike. I have always wanted to see more Heer guys. I think the next impression I do will be Heer as well.
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Post by Russian on Aug 5, 2007 23:22:47 GMT -5
Odin....I assume he lives in Germany (DDR gear). The swastica is a banned symbol in Germany and France. He could look at it this way, the Chinese used the swastica hundreds of years before the Nazis stole it as their own.... Buddah is a Indian god, and the Swastika is a Tibetan symbol. Just clarrifying a fact no one cares about.
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Post by wade on Aug 5, 2007 23:35:55 GMT -5
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Post by odinfish on Aug 6, 2007 8:51:35 GMT -5
LOL...flattery will get you everywhere. ;D Mike
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Post by natman on Aug 6, 2007 18:48:32 GMT -5
@ jager-dru's pics
that picture of the kubelwagen at the Jack in the Box drive-in made me break out in uncontrollable laughter for a good minute or two
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Post by KRaddatz on Aug 6, 2007 20:01:54 GMT -5
^^ same lol
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