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Post by aldrich on Oct 23, 2015 21:03:39 GMT -5
With the risks of airsoft, having a pistol is a good idea in certain situations. Especially if you are like me and have a high powered rifle. Like Dracul said, pistols were a common souvenir for many troops. Carrying a pistol inside one's tunic or in a bag would be a cool way to have a "souvenir" pistol without sacrificing authenticity.
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Oct 23, 2015 22:20:49 GMT -5
Post by Dracul on Oct 23, 2015 22:20:49 GMT -5
And in all practicality, with how many 1911's, upgrade parts, and two different type of gas mags out there, its literally THE BEST pistol choice for all of WWII.
Hell, I believe there is an AEP version of the 1911 out there.
Like Aldrich said if you have a high powered rifle. Which, most custom bolt action mods are, and to be honest, a lot of standard airsoft fields have you carry a side arm if you anything over 400fps. So, its good to have.
If your SS impression is Western Front, I'd say go ahead and get a KJW 1911 (so you can use green gas mags in the summer and Co2 mags in the cooler months), if you want to be able to do either front, get a WE Luger.
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Oct 24, 2015 14:00:57 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 24, 2015 14:00:57 GMT -5
The AEP version of the M1911 is a dubious choice. It is bulbous and mishaped somewhat and (appropriately for a pistol) is a weak shooter. I have one but feel a little butt hurt having bought it.
So many great choices for the 1911 I would stay away from the cheezy AEP.
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Oct 24, 2015 20:30:27 GMT -5
Post by volkssturm on Oct 24, 2015 20:30:27 GMT -5
I considered buying one of those electric 1911's until I noticed that it said is was oversized.
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Oct 24, 2015 21:06:57 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 24, 2015 21:06:57 GMT -5
I liked the concept (an electric blowback pistol). The lack of power and range didn't put me off as its strictly a back up. The replica itself was disappointing. Oversized to the point of distraction. It also was awkward to set up with battery installation a bit awkward. Just not worth dinking around with.
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Oct 24, 2015 22:00:15 GMT -5
Post by Dracul on Oct 24, 2015 22:00:15 GMT -5
I'd only really suggest electric ones for cold climates where either green gas or Co2 won't work.
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Oct 24, 2015 23:27:56 GMT -5
Post by shawn314 on Oct 24, 2015 23:27:56 GMT -5
Even the regular German soldier doesn't have a side arm, they has bayonets, shovels, and the metal stock of the kar 98 to get close combat, if they reach that kind of combat... They fought long ranges and eventually close range. In air soft you cant stick a bayonet or a shovel to someone or define struggle by rock-scissors-paper, so we have to reach a middle point here. In real war you doesn't need a side pistol having a mp40, you just burn the enemy at close range, in the game we can't do that, so it's like obligatory to have a side arm if you doesn't want to retreat because of the security distance instance because of you fps... Here is the grey line. My opinion is that you can't go 100% reenactment to a regular game, if you do so you can't be "realistic" because of the safety norms. Oxymoronic at least. XD
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Post by ssgjoe on Oct 24, 2015 23:45:48 GMT -5
Even with the possibility of an infantryman having a rifle and the thought that "any German would have used a handgun if they had access", the vast majority of rifleman did not carry handguns, so that's what you should portray. Pistols were actually seen as the "weapons of leaders", for lack of better term, in the German Army. So you'd really only see soldiers with rank and specialized roles with handguns often. But having a PPK tucked away like I suggested before isn't a bad idea due to safety and field rules.
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Oct 26, 2015 19:22:22 GMT -5
Post by princeofpinoys on Oct 26, 2015 19:22:22 GMT -5
Sadly there is no "out of the box" good PPK on the market atm. there is the ACM, but i hear the magazine quality isn't great causing the weapon to fire full auto and expel all the gas within a few seconds. Maruzen Mags apparently allow the gun to work properly. A bit of a pain to get it to work properly. Maruzen PPK's are rare as Hell, goodluck finding one. But the mags seem to range about $25-30. I may go this route or explore the KWC Luger
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 27, 2015 0:26:13 GMT -5
For those concerned about the authenticity but wanting one for gameplay, carry whatever you'd like in a pocket or stuffed in your breadbags.
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Post by insterburger on Oct 28, 2015 8:14:47 GMT -5
Russian sidearms were usually NOT battlefield pickups, but captured from stores and reissued.
As said above, only have a sidearm if you must. Almost no one who was not an officer carried them, unless (As has been said) they had a specialized role or requested one for a special reason. Then order should probably be P-38, followed distantly by the Browning (more common for SS or FJ, I understand), then Luger (there were many, but they were favored by officers and thus less common for NCO/EM.
Captured Soviet should be low on the list, but a private purchase gun would be plausible, if very uncommon. That would be your PPK or perhaps a Mauser HSC (there is a really bad repro of this out there... shoots so low that if you hit someone in the back at close range they might not notice).
FWIW, the guy I know who served in a PK (hardly a typical unit) almost never carried a rifle and would sign out a pistol if he was going somewhere he thought he might need a little protection. He would most commonly be given either a Browning or a captured M1895 Nagant.
And to 2nd Bat's point, pistol kills are such fun! I remember at the Remagen game, I was in the "suicide" position on the Allied bank of the river, just wiping out the American right flank until I ran out of ammo. A German charge allowed me to sneak out of my position and behind American lines, where I cleared out something like 4 or 6 GIs with my P38 before running out of ammo for that. About as fun as it gets.
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Oct 28, 2015 11:59:22 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 28, 2015 11:59:22 GMT -5
Your defilade\ enfilade position was one of the better defensive employments in airsoft that I have ever seen and without it I have no doubt the Americans with their numerous gallant assaults no doubt would have been successful. Throughout the multiple chaotic attacks I think they remained largely unaware of you.
In an earlier engagement if I remember correctly you surrendered that pistol?
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Oct 28, 2015 21:06:54 GMT -5
Post by insterburger on Oct 28, 2015 21:06:54 GMT -5
I can't take credit for that position, it was completely Raimund's idea. The best I can say on my behalf is that I executed the mission fairly well. And the pistol I surrendered was the Mauser HSC... Remagen Photo Thread That pistol looks the part, but is just awful... maybe I should have made Migs keep it!
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Nov 14, 2015 9:45:05 GMT -5
Post by Jerry-ADK on Nov 14, 2015 9:45:05 GMT -5
I suppose it is worth mentioning here that German paratroopers were issued a side arm due to the fact that during the jump they would not have their main weapons on them. Their rifles, SMG's and LMG's would be dropped in a separate container which they would have to locate after the drop. So until the drop container was located all they would have would be their pistols and granades. Paratroopers continued to carry a side arm throughout the war even after the para drops ended after Crete. I know he is doing a SS impression so this doesn't quite relate to the original question, but it is the one impression where a EM would carry a side arm as standard issue.
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Nov 14, 2015 14:44:59 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 14, 2015 14:44:59 GMT -5
Their are lots of reasons why the FJ impression is a popular one. Lots of cool unique pieces of distinctive kit and uniform items with a force that was widely (and justifiably) seen as an elite fighting force without the negative stigma of the SS. The common rather than exceptional use of pistols is one more reason an FJ impression makes sense for airsoft.
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Feb 10, 2016 22:46:39 GMT -5
Post by volkssturm on Feb 10, 2016 22:46:39 GMT -5
Interesting video at Forgotten Weapons about the Polish Vis 35. After the occupation of Poland the Germans continued production. He says the Vis 35 was the third most commonly used pistol after the Luger and P-38. I seem to recall that someone here did a conversion from a .45 to a Vis. 35 a while back. www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSH9VvQAvog
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