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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 3, 2015 22:15:26 GMT -5
There seems to be a need for replica bayonets. The idea is to provide a reasonable facsimile for the major belligerents bayonets. The hope is they will look right, fit on their appropriate weapons and be safe. Field works offers some nice rubber replicas but I find the floppy rubber blades distracting. My concept is to shape them with plastic and wood. I got some actual GI grip handles and thought I would start with a GI 16 inch sword bayonet. These were hold overs from WW1 and many were later cut down to a 10 inch blade
Next I'm thinking of the Mauser bayonet and British Enfield.
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Post by stuka on Nov 4, 2015 6:29:45 GMT -5
The benefit of the floppy bayonet is that if somebody gets a bit to into it, the person on the receiving end won't get too hurt. Something to stiff may cause a bit to much damage but you do well in your builds so I am sure you will figure something out
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Post by feldwebelheidrich on Nov 4, 2015 11:54:49 GMT -5
making them both fit in the sheath and be safe is going to be hard.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 4, 2015 13:55:50 GMT -5
These won't fit the sheaths I already know that. (Slightly too fat). My hope for the British swords is to make a custom canvas and leather sheath. The US 16 inchers between wars still used a similar sheath. These are simply not strong enough to be dangerous. The outer polyeurothane she'll is soft and dull and the rigid inner ABS would snap before these would penetrate anything harder than a watermelon. I frankly doubt I could punch them into a melon? In any event not visualizing fixed bayonet charges or hand to hand combat.
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Post by stuka on Nov 4, 2015 14:35:27 GMT -5
Sounds cool, can't wait to see some pictures. Are you making a sword or a sword bayonet? Is it the bayonet for the SMLE or the spike bayonet for the No.4's you are making for the british?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 4, 2015 16:37:25 GMT -5
The bayonet. I have pictures of the first one I finished using the US handles. I am shaping some for use on the SMLE now. These will be the "sword" bayonet not the spike so appropriate for WW1 and WW2!
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Post by stuka on Nov 4, 2015 16:43:59 GMT -5
Cool, would like to see how you go about this
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 4, 2015 18:51:04 GMT -5
The polypropylene outer shell is rigid but both dull and flexible enough that it would be nearly impossible to harm anyone with it. The inner section of cut ABS allows the handgrips to be attached and forms a spine that the outer shell slides over.
The pommel was formed using dyna glass blobbed into place, shaped, sanded and painted. Even close up they look pretty convincing. I will get pictures of my Enfield sword bayonets once done.
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Post by stuka on Nov 4, 2015 19:03:59 GMT -5
Very cool man
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Post by ScottCollins on Nov 4, 2015 19:23:11 GMT -5
Any chance of selling these and what would be the price point is so? I would be interested, and some regulars here in Michigan might be interested as well.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 4, 2015 21:43:07 GMT -5
I didn't plan on making many but if the marketplace could justify $35.00 it might make sense. That's in line with the field weeks replica knives. Less expensive actually.
My plan was simply to add these to my loaner set ups but if folks want them I might knock out a few more. I am doing up some Enfield as the 16 inch was still fairly common and then plan to do some German with them mostly just adding to the field gear of my aggressor force.
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Post by Dracul on Nov 4, 2015 22:59:18 GMT -5
Pics and info from 2ndBat:
I had a couple sets of US GI bayonet hand grips and some ABS plastic. I cut to the 16 inch (first world war) length and attached it all. The blade needs to be refinished but otherwise they look pretty good. unlike the rubber ones from Field Works these dont flop around. like the Field Works bayonets these wouldn't hurt any one. they didn't cost me $35.00 plus shipping. Just materials under $8.00 and a lot of time. i'm going to do up some with wooden handles for British bayonets and try to mirror Kar 98 bayonets.
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Post by stuka on Nov 5, 2015 9:04:42 GMT -5
If you need a type 30 to try to replicate I could see about sending you one to model off of =P I also have a VZ bayonet too
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 5, 2015 14:06:06 GMT -5
That would be awesome as without either an original to go off of or the base rifle I can't really replicate them and know how good or how far off they are? Truth be told the Japanese long bayonet makes the most sense for our purposes.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 18, 2015 19:11:44 GMT -5
So it turns out the US 16 inch bayonet doesnt quite slides right onto the SMLE. The two are not identical but very very similar. I created a template for the handles, bought materials and made 10 of them. The SMLE bayonet was much different than the spike bayonet on the later Mark IV The gap between the bayonet handle and the barrel ring is a a little smaller on the SMLE. On the Enfield it mounts over a "nub" on the muzzle assembly rather than the barrel. Hence slight differences between the US and UK bayonet.
I will sell off some of these to fund the materials for my "keepers" and to justify additional projects. These look pretty badass on a rifle and if I do say so myself came out pretty cool!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 4, 2016 13:35:56 GMT -5
Just finished several German bayonets which came out recently. I used blades cheap blades from a costume shop that looked approximate,cut them to length and then created the hand grips and tang to simulate the black bakelight finish of the Kar98 battle knife. They mount nicely on my Mauser conversions.
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Post by Dracul on Mar 12, 2016 0:16:48 GMT -5
Finished pic from 2ndBat:
A picture of the German bayonets These are all ABS plastic and feature homemade handles on costume knife blades. They mount on the Mausers nicely look badass but wouldn't hurt anyone.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 12, 2016 14:35:28 GMT -5
Also shows my costume "aggressor" uniform and supplemental gear. Helmet covers and homemade Mauser pouches from Dracul and my hokey German tunics covered by camo smocks. At a distance and en masse they look pretty good for my purposes. I have nearly 12 complete set ups so equipped which was my goal.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 3, 2017 20:47:54 GMT -5
I stepped up and made some more of these along with the WW1 and Early WW2 canvas sheaths. On my latest batch I reshaped the tip of the US bayonets with a centered and tapered tip. A little more work but a much nicer look. The canvas sheaths add a lot.
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Post by 2ndbat2 on Jan 18, 2021 22:39:13 GMT -5
My German bayonets are slightly oversized from originals so they don't slide into actual Sheaths but do slide into original frogs. I planned to make some costume frogs and scabbards for the German bayonets to add some additional "at a glance " detail to the aggressor costumes. With the suspenders, Dracula bread bags, Gamashes, east german mess tins and Swiss canteens a few gas mask canisters and Dracula ammo pouches the overall effect is decent. I even made some fake German e-tools and carriers.
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