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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 22, 2015 0:53:22 GMT -5
If someone wouldn't mind checking your zelt. I'd like to know the outside dimensions when laid flat and a rough idea how the head slit worked, where the buttons are etc? Trying to decide if I can fabricate something close for reasonable dough. I can't afford to buy 12 of them (although it would be nice). Odds are I can't afford to fab that many either!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 24, 2015 15:13:20 GMT -5
Does no one have a Zelt they could measure?
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Nov 24, 2015 16:55:08 GMT -5
I do. Hoooowever, heres what youll be lookin at, money, time, and fabric wise. Heavy fabric, a applesauce load of grommets, and tons of buttons. Quite literally not worth the effort when you can get a Chinese one for $50.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 24, 2015 18:07:51 GMT -5
I realize that but I just want to know if I can get something roughed out as a simple hide for my hokey tunics. I need 12 of them so even if far from perfect they save me $20.00 each its worth it to me. Odds are you're right and I won't be able to do up anything reasonable looking with enough saving to make it worthwhile.
Unlike smocks Zelts could also create prop tents which could create a prop objective set up. Just thinking out loud mostly.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Nov 24, 2015 19:13:00 GMT -5
if you want to actually make tents, youre talking so much more money and effort than its worth.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 24, 2015 20:41:23 GMT -5
If I have the shape and have a minimum of 12 of them I would think I would be able to make prop tents? What am I missing? I am not talking about waterproof, sleep in them, perfect tents just Hollywood, " looks right from a distance.". I would rather attack a pseudo German campsite with camo netting some German market crates and a communications set up than a pallet structure at a paintball field! We all have our own standards of tolerance when it comes to suspension of belief.
Same plan when thrown over my quasi impressions. I realize this approach has no appeal to you. I get that and probably it will be easier and cheaper to invest the 700.00 plus to buy China repos but my pockets aren't that deep. Add similar dilemas for web gear, canteens, tunics, helmets and weapons and I apologize but I don't have a Spielberg budget!
All I'm asking is for the dimensions of a zelt. I can research it online but thought it was a pretty basic request.
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Post by insterburger on Nov 24, 2015 21:44:55 GMT -5
John-- Mine's in the garage and it's dark here, but I'll try to pull it out and get dimensions for you tomorrow.
I get (or at least think I get) what you're after here-- not looking for dish buttons and repro grommets and all that, just a cheap and simple suggestion to chuck up as tents or throw over a tunic, no?
And frankly if you didn't mind using non-period grommets, that would be easy and cheap to do. The supplies are readily available at any hardware store and cost next to nothing.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 25, 2015 0:45:50 GMT -5
I actually enjoy the fabrication and have grommet and snap tools and realize that I wouldn't be able to do them up absolutely period correct. I really like the way US shelter halves and German Zelts are capable of being configured in an assortment of ways to create tents. It seems the more affordable fabrics from Spoonflower would not be authentic in terms of density and thread count and wouldn't be waterproof (which is of course the point) but visually if I could put together something viable I'd like to.
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Post by scvngr on Dec 3, 2015 1:12:13 GMT -5
The zelt is made up of two pieces with a seam running vertically up the centre (when worn as a poncho) There's a head opening (read: unstitched section, just smaller than an adults head) midway down this joint, with an inner and outer set of 'collars' sewn on.
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Post by princeofpinoys on Dec 3, 2015 3:16:55 GMT -5
u get the demensions yet?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 3, 2015 20:02:20 GMT -5
Actually no. I am on the road with another training trip so I couldn't do anything with it till probably the first of next year anyway.
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Post by insterburger on Dec 4, 2015 0:13:31 GMT -5
I'll try to get you some numbers when I pull everything out for Aachen tomorrow.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 4, 2015 13:13:39 GMT -5
That would be awesome. Maybe with a picture of one laying flat so I could see how the head flap works when worn as a poncho? Have fun at Aachen.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 9, 2016 21:44:31 GMT -5
So...still no dimensions. This may all be a rabbit hole anyway but knowing the sized needed can help me explore my options.
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Post by Dracul on Mar 9, 2016 22:39:12 GMT -5
From bottom of base to the top angle: 71.5-72 inches Top edge, where the triangle point is "cut off": 3.25 inches Length of base: 94-95 inches Height of the base, before angling into the triangle: 6.5 inches Width of the edging/hemming. Where all the grommets, buttons and button holes are installed: 2.75 inches (measurement doesn't add on to the dimensions)
If my text is hard to understand, I can do a quick photoshop job when I get some free time.
Kind of an off topic question, but since we are dealing with Zelts.... Was solid-colored zelts ever used in WWII? Like maybe left over grey or tan-brown ones from WWI?
The idea that came to my head was, if this is so, that one could just sew up zelts with canvas. The same canvas I use for my breadbags and gamaschen. Easily obtainable at Joanns, and for only $10 a yard. With how big zelts are, its probably going to take 2 to 2.5 yards connected to make a fabric piece big enough for a single zelt quad. With hardware, would make each one about $25-$30 each? Extremely cheaper than standard repros.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 10, 2016 13:14:24 GMT -5
That's very helpful. The Zelt is bigger than I had envisioned (which makes sense as four of them together made a pyramid tent sufficient to shelter four men). If the pattern on the ATF material was correct for a zelt it would be tempting but seeing as it is the relatively uncommon Marsh and Tan hmmmmmm?
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Post by Dracul on Mar 10, 2016 13:50:53 GMT -5
Thats why I asked if solid colored zelts existed at all. Can be made for cheaper than the Marsh and Tan thats currently on ATF!
Yeah, they are a lot bigger than they look. I was the same way, all surprised, once I received my personal zelt, despite seeing a good amount of them at other events.
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