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Post by droopaille on May 25, 2016 13:26:31 GMT -5
Hello all, I'm not really present this month but I think this topic will interest someone. Since the ICS, we not see lot of conversion of M14, but it is time to make mine. I got all pieces may be since 3 years but I was allready afraid to dig a real stock besause of the thin on the handle. Let's start ... I don't invent anythink, I will just make it with love and time. Only mags will be improved with some ideas and the fixing of motor. I'm starting with dysassembly the most thinks I can. I'm using the milling machine, just for the accuracy, but it is very long to take off each time for testing. Good job for the first session. A few step beyond : The first phasy is new finished, the mecanism fit great in the stock. I will reassemble part a part and continue to mill. A step with the mag. I remove the edge on top. The knack is to use Aceton for having a good surface and remove the scratches. And now, a bit try with a 3D printed wedge. Yes we have one printer at office, good think no ? Then, I think : why not the complete mag There few adjustments to make but the least is that works !! 3D pinting is really ... frustrating, there so many think to do, that my all life never be enough to realize all I want. Ok, ok, just come back down on floor. With a little accesory, for helping me to dig. And starting to make the hole. I add piece bigger and bigger with no chance to make it wrong. Dig and dig. Always far to the finish but it easilier than I thank. I made a special tool. A few step with handgards and blank assembly : une bonne tête in french (literally a good head) ! Somethings to do : 8mm gap with upper and more with the gas cylinder. add on : ok it is a bit close by the topic but I make also my own cheese !! Yes I know what you think, but I'm french, cheese is a big part of our life (you can't understand). Just for fun.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 26, 2016 21:49:22 GMT -5
Excellent work as always. If you could make your 3d mags, double stackers. (say 25 rounds or so). They could be hot sellers.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 10, 2016 13:36:10 GMT -5
Modified magazine : it is usable, 15 bbs. I'm working on a 30 bbs version copying the shotgun shell.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 11, 2016 21:47:40 GMT -5
30 rounders would be fabulous! So it looks like an ICS gearbox but a Marui type 7 mag feed and hop up?
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Post by droopaille on Jun 12, 2016 6:41:20 GMT -5
I don't understand the end of your comment. I try to answer : this is a M500 mag inside but outside is designed to fit the M14 cyma under the hopup bloc
I tried to sculpt my new version with testing pieces and first test is 34 bbs but I don't know if the mag is useable. Answer on monday or tuesday with the printed prototype. On an other hand, this kind of mind insert perfectly in the bandoleer pouch
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 12, 2016 7:22:55 GMT -5
I was trying to figure out what base rifle components you were using as they appear to be from more than a single Brand of M14? As for the magazine I understand what you did there as I have modified literally hundreds and hundreds of the shotgun magazines for use in my modified Garands although your 3D creations look much much nicer.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 12, 2016 12:38:29 GMT -5
In fact, I'm working with 2 M14 Cyma (I think I will must kill one during the modification), M500 mag and real metal and part of Garand. That's all. Today it is a rainy day so itwas time to tinker. Just few modifications for the good mag position. I've got an idea for remove without cut the stock, I will test with an new printed piece. Some milling retouches after and I can assemble the bridge. I think I will got issues for removing the mag ...
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 13, 2016 14:45:03 GMT -5
On my conversions where I used actual Garand stocks I had to extend a groove forward slightly beyond the face of the shotgun mag as it has to angle rock into position. Not terribly distracting in my opinion as its on the underside of the rifle but unavoidable as far as I could tell. Based on my experience the shotgun mag could be slightly taller than it is and still be flush with the base of the Garand stock which you have a 3d created mag might give you room for more magazine capacity.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 14, 2016 12:01:01 GMT -5
Version 2 of my magazine : il is functionnal. The inside is based on shotgun cartridge with bbs in quincunx : capacity 34 bbs. My idea is to open forward the well but I think this is what you describe above 2nd Bat.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 14, 2016 12:33:19 GMT -5
Interesting. Can you show us the insides?
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Post by droopaille on Jun 15, 2016 1:23:14 GMT -5
Of course. You can notice, the spring which is more wider than thicker (wider or more wide ?) In the end of the well there is ramp for having just one bb front of the exit.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 16, 2016 14:04:38 GMT -5
Today I try the plate under the rifle. I don't how I will make it, either a small magazine with a rotative plate, or a pierced plate like the pic with a bigger magazine. Other try with the motor cage. Almost 2.5mm for the first shot this is good/ I'm surprised with the sturdiness of the piece.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 24, 2016 21:18:46 GMT -5
I think (since you have the ability to do so) you should make your magazine taller so it will fit flush with your baseplate "cage". Which looks great! This would provide slightly more magazine capacity (although the 30 or so capacity you have achieved with the wider inside channel an mid cap spring is fabulous). I really like what you are doing here.
I am still confused about what base airsoft rifle you are using as your pictures don't look like the guts of a CYMA 032 m14. The magwell base and hop up do but the gear box shroud looks more like the ICS housing?
Any chance once you're done that you'd like to sell the base plate piece and your magazines? I know they would easily be adaptable for use in my 2nd Bat Garands of which there are over 400 in circulation. Most owners I imagine would want five to ten of them?
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Post by droopaille on Jun 25, 2016 11:46:58 GMT -5
I really not decided for the magazine, because if it is taller like you discribe, it very difficult to insert in place. At this time, I had worked on but it not works. But I don't have time to print what I want. I think there is a possibility to do this. You're wrong about the capacity, if in theory I have more space inside, the capacity depends only of the lengh od the spring which pouch bbs. And I think I've the max for which one I use. For the inside, the last try is really good and I made the little blocker too. It miss just the little spring for the blocker. I must try it for real and I can publish my plans. I already have demands for sending but it not my business. I will publish one version for the M14 stock Garand.
Do you really look the pics ?? Of course it is a Cyma M14 but the gearbox, like I said, was rid of all little parts which disturb the introduction in the stock.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 25, 2016 12:25:08 GMT -5
Fantastic work.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 26, 2016 20:03:02 GMT -5
I guess I've never stripped the CYMA gear box all the way down. Your efforts look great!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 8, 2016 23:09:02 GMT -5
Pitty you don't decide to sell your custom designed and made custom clips as they would do well. I know 3d printing is slow and there would be subsequent and monotonous assembly so I understand.
20+ rounders for the M14 conversion Garands that are flush mounted would be really nice!
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Post by droopaille on Sept 12, 2016 13:28:57 GMT -5
I'm still working on design but the printer is at work and I can't use it as I want. I 'm allways lurning about 3d printing but it s a large large topic. This summer I started using the ABS which is more difficult to print but smooth after finish. Dimension are a bit smaller and BB don't slide well.
I'm working on a new material but I just received the sample today. I think it will be good for magazines. I will not make a business with printed pieces but I will share my designs and you will can test it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 12, 2016 16:46:31 GMT -5
That would be wonderful! Incidentally upon removing the trigger, selector switch cage it is obvious that your internals are the CYMA M14. I usually just left all that in place but removed the plastic "U" shaped cage and JB welded the selector lever in the semi auto setting. I also never bothered with a motor cage as I needed that area to stay as tiny as possible to fit in the neck.
We have a new member from Canada who is making strong inroads into assorted cool projects with a 3D printer. Perhaps someday he could tackle these Garand clips although a proper source for the springs would be needed.
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Post by gearkrieg on Sept 15, 2016 8:06:46 GMT -5
This guy never ceases to amaze me! Way to go Droop...
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Post by droopaille on Jun 17, 2018 6:37:03 GMT -5
Because it was to long time that I saw the Garand on the the workbench. Because I saw lot of Garand during my last OP 15 days ago. Because my MAS36 are finished. And because I had a good idea, here is the next of thos project. First we have that : Time to think : motor and his cage are to big for the stock. have 3 functions : anti rotating, translation block and ajustment for the gears. I have simpliy all the design and I'm happy with a new and smaller one. May be this is the smallest I can do. Something can may works. If the motor is to big, use a smaller. I think it will not enought strong for the tork and speed but for the price, I will test it. Tada !!! Grrrrrrrr, there is always a thing you forgot. The small hook allows the trigger gard fixing. Phew, it is corrected and functionnal. An other night idea : a new cradle for a cartridge. Without modify the wood. With the stock. I will think about the panel. May be I will design the magazine with the panel shape. All case, it is functionnal.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 17, 2018 12:19:42 GMT -5
Interesting. I was thinking about the same kind of adaptation a while ago, but I don't have the skills to make an adapter. I may have to give it some more thought.
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Post by adrg on Jun 18, 2018 15:27:33 GMT -5
Well this is really interested. I wasn’t aware the 3D printed parts would resist to torque. It opens a whole new world for the convertions BTW - Ares makes a slim motor that has almost the same torque as a Lonex A2. It might be a better option than the smaller motor.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 21, 2018 0:23:06 GMT -5
Droop as always your creativity skills and willingness to share your work is much appreciated. Since you showed your adaptation to use the shotgun shells does that mean you abandoned the 3D printed custom zgells? I still think for the hundreds and hundreds of m14 Bar and conversions you have an interested potential market for them. I would certainly buy some. While I now own an ICE and An A &K Far and I still own 4 of my Garage Conversions. In many ways I prefer them over the actual SET Garands.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 25, 2018 6:26:13 GMT -5
I made this part of project because I ve issues with size of my 3D magazines. I don't want to touch the wood and it is impossible to place and remove the magazine with his actual shape. The second reason is that I think the shotgun shells are the best magazine ever buit. It will be better for all if I succeed to use them just with an adaptator. I don't want to make business I just want to creat and share.
That said, shells are a bit long so I have to continue my searches.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 25, 2018 14:51:56 GMT -5
Being in France would be difficult and awkward with regard to sales here in the US. Your magazine creations are vastly superior to what I have been able to come up with. So wonderful having you as a member on our site!
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Post by droopaille on Jun 27, 2018 15:46:09 GMT -5
For you Bat, the last prototype : smaller size but 28 bbs. It will be more with the definitive shape
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 27, 2018 16:19:51 GMT -5
I would love somehow to talk you into selling and shipping me a dozen of those for my armory of M14 conversions! I utilize four different solutions none of which are as well done as yours. Your solution combines flush mount, reasonable copacity and an elegant look. Fabulous job Droop!
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Post by Dracul on Jun 27, 2018 16:39:06 GMT -5
Good stuff! If I was only half as good as you are with engineering. I'd love to be able to print my own mags.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 28, 2018 1:31:11 GMT -5
thank you
this one is specially for the real stock, it is not as good for the M14 stock.
To be continue ...
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