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Post by norseman on Jan 25, 2018 23:41:36 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 29, 2018 15:06:16 GMT -5
I see in some of the other YouTube reviews of this rifle that some appear to have darker stain furniture which I like better. It appears that this A&K is a nice hard shooter.
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Post by norseman on Jan 29, 2018 17:37:07 GMT -5
My personal one I attempted to stain after sanding it and it didn’t take. I ended up painting it dark brown and then sanding it. Which is is not optimal but still better than this yellow furniture.
And it shoots darn good for a 150 dollar Airsoft rifle. I think it’s on par with my TM M14.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 29, 2018 22:47:02 GMT -5
Where did you get it?
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Post by norseman on Jan 29, 2018 23:05:01 GMT -5
Evike
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 30, 2018 15:38:49 GMT -5
I see they are sold out for now. I always liked the old repeater rifle lever action. Very clever the way they replicate the loading and how they accommodate the gas.
How many rounds do you typically get per a gas up? I see some reports that say you can load 20 rounds others say 25. Either would be fine for a wild west game. What was the capacity on a real winchester?
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 30, 2018 15:52:11 GMT -5
Wikipedia says real Winchesters hold 15 rounds in the tube magazine, so 20-25 would be a usable but kind of low amount. With such low rates of fire though, I don’t think it would matter that much.
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Post by norseman on Jan 30, 2018 19:59:34 GMT -5
My Rossi Winchester 92 .44 mag which is shorter than the Airsoft version holds 10+1. My Winchester 94 30-30 holds 6+1. A tube magazines capacity is entirely dependent on barrel/mag length and the length of the cartridge.
And people can run a Winchester faster than you can a M1 Garand.....and they will completely run circles around any bolt action. The US military would not adopt them because early on they were only available in pistol calibers. And by the time John Moses Browning had worked his magic and had strengthened the design from the old Civil War Henry design? The bolt action and en bloc stripper clips had arrived. Which the 1895 Winchester offered rifle calibers and a box magazine and was adopted by the Russians during WW1. It was much preferred over the bolt action Mosin Nagants. Teddy Roosevelt called his 1895 “Big Medicine”.
I consider the 1860 Henry the worlds first assault rifle . And there were reports of mere platoons of Union soldiers armed with Henry’s holding off company after company of Confederates. The Confederates named the rifle “That damn Yankee rifle you load on Sunday and shoot all week.” It’s also a uniquely American design. And lever actions were put to very devastating use during the American west. From the Texas Rangers to the Sioux and Cheyenne at the battle of Little Bighorn. The Henry lacked the Kings gate for tactical reloads which came out on the 1866 Winchester yellowboy. And still is in production on Winchester and Marlins today.
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Post by norseman on Jan 30, 2018 20:01:05 GMT -5
Chucks rifle had a set screw that depressed the trigger every time the lever sent the bolt to battery (flush with the stock).
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Post by norseman on Jan 30, 2018 20:13:08 GMT -5
SASS guys run short stroked lever actions, and sub par ammo so they don’t beat up there range steel. But I think this video shows their speed.
Our local club beats the police dept every year for charity. They make the police load their M4’s and Glocks to cowboy standards. Pistols-5 rounds and Carbines 10 rounds.
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Post by norseman on Jan 30, 2018 23:17:44 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 31, 2018 13:51:32 GMT -5
Compelling argument for the Henry repeating rifle being the first true assault rifle. Had they been more commonplace in the civil war, generals would have been much quicker to discontinue the insane Napoleonic formations and tactics that had been rendered obsolete with the introduction of the rifled bullet.
Also if they predominated on the union side (the most likely scenario). Even the lousy union generals from the early war probably would have prevailed.
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Post by norseman on Jan 31, 2018 14:35:21 GMT -5
Absolutely! And what is even more insane is that after the civil war they did make the transition to a metallic cartridge but single shot only! The sharps became the standard battle rifle. And the Spencer and Henry repeating rifles were shunned. LOL.
They did not want soldiers wasting ammo! My how times have changed.
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 31, 2018 15:43:27 GMT -5
I'm sure you meant the trapdoor Springfield became the standard battle rifle. Besides the "soldiers will waste ammo" issue a good part of the rationale for the single shot rifles was that lever action designs couldn't handle the pressure of a big cartridge like the .45-70 until the 1886 Winchester. Ian at Forgotten Weapons did a whole series on the evolution from the Volcanic pistol up to the M1895.
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 31, 2018 16:01:09 GMT -5
Since we're kind of rambling here, I thought I throw this in. In 1869 the Swiss adopted the Vetterli rifle. It was a turnbolt design that used a tubular magazine copied from the Winchester. It fired a rimfire .41 caliber cartridge, with a 334 grain bullet moving at 1345 feet per second. A bit less powerful than a .45-70, but nothing you'd want to get in front of. This was the same time frame when the US was still perfecting the single shot Springfield. You have to wonder what would have happened if Custer's men were armed with Vetterlis at the Little Bighorn. 1s18w12tqveh1xfywp1ulx42-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/Gun-Collecting-Swiss-Vetterli-Lead.jpg
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Post by norseman on Jan 31, 2018 16:03:21 GMT -5
Volks, You are absolutely correct on both counts. I meant the Springfield trap door, yes. And yes John Moses Browning replaced the Henry toggle link action in newer Winchester’s with locking lugs to accomodate higher CUP pressures. But the Winchester 73 to me tho is still the king of the Winchesters. Although the 92 was the rifle John Wayne carried on the silver screen. By 1892 the west had been won..... Its my next gun purchase!
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Post by norseman on Jan 31, 2018 16:58:29 GMT -5
Since we're kind of rambling here, I thought I throw this in. In 1869 the Swiss adopted the Vetterli rifle. It was a turnbolt design that used a tubular magazine copied from the Winchester. It fired a rimfire .41 caliber cartridge, with a 334 grain bullet moving at 1345 feet per second. A bit less powerful than a .45-70, but nothing you'd want to get in front of. This was the same time frame when the US was still perfecting the single shot Springfield. You have to wonder what would have happened if Custer's men were armed with Vetterlis at the Little Bighorn. 1s18w12tqveh1xfywp1ulx42-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/Gun-Collecting-Swiss-Vetterli-Lead.jpgIt looks like they copied the Kings gate as well! As a lefty I’m still partial to lever actions. But I bet that rifle had a higher capacity than a Mauser. Think about this. The 1860 Henry had a capacity of 16 + 1. In WW2 the Thompson used 30 round stick mags, and in Vietnam the M14 and M16 used 20 round magazines. In one hundred years the Henry was still in the running. As far as reloading it, I’ve seen guys use brass tubes with cotter pins holding 16 rounds that loads the Henry in mere seconds. It’s funny to think about.
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 31, 2018 17:28:10 GMT -5
The Vetterli had an 11 round magazine. They tend to be a bit muzzle heavy when fully loaded.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 31, 2018 21:34:40 GMT -5
I have a friend who said in a cache of Vietcong captured rifles during TET (68) there were several lever action rifles. It came up in a conversation about the movie Full Metal Jacket where a lever action rifle is laying with a dead NVA soldier. I commented that I thought it was incongruent and he came to the movies defense.
As far as rifles go it is iconic. The Army has made many a dumb acquisition decision and I suppose compared to a muzzle loader the Sharps carbine and trapdoor loaders probably looked pretty cutting edge but jeez a lever action seems like a total no brainer Production cost no doubt played a role.
The ammunition argument is clearly a back in the rear with the gear REMF type decision.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 31, 2018 22:52:01 GMT -5
Part of the Army’s decision to go with lesser firepower designs I think stems from the Winchester’s increased complexity. In addition to having existing infrastructure for manufacturing muzzle loaders or single shot rifles, there is significantly more on a lever action that can break or otherwise go wrong in the field that a soldier cannot be expected to fix than on a musket or Trapdoor Springfield. This increased complexity is frequently worth it (take the Garand for example), but it shows that the Army’s decision had some justification behind it.
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Post by norseman on Jan 31, 2018 23:39:28 GMT -5
Here is a video overview of the real steel rifle.
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Post by norseman on Jan 31, 2018 23:45:03 GMT -5
And here is probably the most iconic scene in movies of a Winchester 92 or of any Winchester ever made. John Wayne in True Grit.
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Post by volkssturm on Feb 1, 2018 1:34:40 GMT -5
According to the C&Arsenal series on WW1 firearms, the British navy bought Model 92's for use by naval boarding parties.
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Post by norseman on Feb 1, 2018 11:37:02 GMT -5
I heard that. I also heard they were actually fired in anger against U boat crews too.
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Post by norseman on Feb 5, 2018 19:09:00 GMT -5
I found this interesting!
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Post by volkssturm on Feb 6, 2018 22:35:12 GMT -5
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Post by norseman on Feb 6, 2018 22:52:16 GMT -5
Very nice!
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Post by norseman on Mar 4, 2018 12:45:42 GMT -5
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Post by norseman on Mar 13, 2018 19:42:43 GMT -5
L-R Winchester 1894 30-30, Winchester 1894 30-30, Rossi clone Winchester 1892 44 mag, new lever gun scabbard by triple K, half off at sportsman’s warehouse. The first 94 was my boyhood rifle and the rifle I took my first deer with when I was 10 years old. Not Airsoft but I couldn’t resist the comparison.
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