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Post by 2ndbat2 on Apr 12, 2022 20:02:55 GMT -5
Like most of you I have been following the war closely both in cable news/ national news and the various you tube posts. The vast majority of small arms are of course modern/ mostly soviet weapons. (AK74s and AK 47s) in their widely varied configurations. I have also noticed a suprising number of WW2 vintage weapons. I noticed some Soviet troops with scoped Mosin Nagants and Ukranian troops with PPS41s. I also saw some SVT 40s. Clearly they are scrapping the barrel to arm their citizenry. I even saw what looked to be a Bren gun as well as a long barreled light machine with a bipod and a horizontal flat drum magazine on top. Cant think of the nomenclature but an ancient weapon by todays standards. Any weapon is better than no weapon and an 80 year old relic can still kill you.
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Post by 2ndbat2 on Apr 12, 2022 20:06:06 GMT -5
Because of the wide range of ages (especially with the Ukrainians) and the wide assortment of uniforms and kit along with the duct tape armbands they really look like airsofters. Footage from a milsim west production could pass as combat footage no doubt.
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Post by volkssturm on Apr 14, 2022 14:15:01 GMT -5
*I even saw what looked to be a Bren gun as well as a long barreled light machine with a bipod and a horizontal flat drum magazine on top.*
DP28 or DPM? Not optimal compared to modern LMG's, but there's no reason they wouldn't work adequately. In some respects they might have an advantage over the RPK since they fire the full power 7.62x54mmR instead of the intermediate 7.62x29mm or 5.45x39mm. Like the BAR, it might be old but you wouldn't want to be in front of one when it goes off. Russians are kinda famous for neve throwing anything away.
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Post by hardslack on Apr 15, 2022 10:39:20 GMT -5
Lots of images of maxim guns in fixed positions as well.
2nd Bat, I too (and others on social media I have seen) have noticed an eerie similarity to airsoft players... Although, I am starting to suspect that combat, more often than not, may be more like the chaos of an airsoft game than media and video games portray. It takes a lot of work and coordination to... be coordinated and organized. One guy who makes foam rockets and sundries (milsim labs if you are curious) commented on how in the popular clip of U ambushing Rus column, a rocket hits trees and explodes. He observed that in the airsoft version, players would be crying for the ref saying in real life...
I read a book of mujihadeen AAR's in the soviet afghan war, and (less suprisingly, as they where guerilla forces) had some pretty shocking similarities to airsoft games. (people not knowing how to use weapons, units getting board and going home, allowing trapped units to escape. Loot was a big motivator for the Muj, to fund themselves and the war effort. Anyway.
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Post by 2ndbat2 on Apr 16, 2022 14:19:48 GMT -5
Being spectators to real shooting wars with so many video images is remarkable. i remember feeling this way during the Falkland islands war. Comparatively there is so much more virtually live coverage in this conflict. Certainly the human /civilian tragedies are being covered. As you see the refugees desperately trying to get out of harms way I am reminded of my fathers stories from WW2 about the millions of DPs (Displaced Persons) that were constantly wandering throughout Europe.
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Post by slick63 on Apr 17, 2022 12:43:41 GMT -5
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Post by 2ndbat2 on Apr 18, 2022 17:27:57 GMT -5
Wow. Cool find. I used to think Mark Felton productions used a computer narator but thats his actual voice. Always informative.
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Post by volkssturm on May 11, 2023 16:13:03 GMT -5
If you think about it, if the US was in a similar situation and pressed for weapons, the M-3 Greasegun and M-1/M-2 Carbines would be adequate, if not ideal, weapons for rear echelon troops. If we actually had any left and the magazine springs haven't gone dead. Of course, there's so many AR-15 derivatives and AK-47 clones in private hands we could equip several armies with them.
Having spent a few years of my '20's learning how to fight the Russian hordes in the Fulda Gap it's interesting to see how the Russian Army is doing in an actual war. We assume that the Soviet Army was much more competent than what they're fielding in Ukraine, but I have to wonder.
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Post by norseman on May 12, 2023 21:17:09 GMT -5
If you think about it, if the US was in a similar situation and pressed for weapons, the M-3 Greasegun and M-1/M-2 Carbines would be adequate, if not ideal, weapons for rear echelon troops. If we actually had any left and the magazine springs haven't gone dead. Of course, there's so many AR-15 derivatives and AK-47 clones in private hands we could equip several armies with them. Having spent a few years of my '20's learning how to fight the Russian hordes in the Fulda Gap it's interesting to see how the Russian Army is doing in an actual war. We assume that the Soviet Army was much more competent than what they're fielding in Ukraine, but I have to wonder. I think it’s interesting that the Germans and US were on similar trajectories. Each had a battle rifle. Each had a sub machine gun. Evidently they were looking for a 5 iron.😝 The STG 44 was born with its intermediary cartridge the Soviets copied. While the US invented the M1 .30 Carbine. Which was a straight walled case instead. So basically our name for a “assault rifle” is a carbine. Incidentally I watched a show about the battle of the bulge. German troops were picking up captured US weapons as their ammo was depleted in the assault. What was their favorite US weapon? The carbine! Now in the Ukraine which is almost WW1 trench warfare all over again? Some of these weapons are making a comeback. MG 42, Nagants, Ak 47’s, etc. Fulda Gap, I think the Ukrainians contribution to Russian moxy is now quite evident. Essentially they are fighting themselves. A Soviet civil war if you will. The Kievan Rus founded the Russian empire. So it’s kinda like the now larger colony is attacking its mother. Unfortunate but I guess the Ukrainians need this to prove to the Russians they will remain independent.
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