2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 28, 2006 2:23:25 GMT -5
There were a number of words and phrases that were common place during WW2 but may not be commonly understood today.
How well can you define the following?:
FEBA LoD Recce TO&E a "Picadilly Commando" SHAEF Butter Bar 90 Day wonder G3 a "Shake and Bake" OJT a "DP" The "Repple Depple" Ol Blood n Guts an FO an RCT GHQ G-2 The "Old Man" The "TOP" The "ALP" the "Am DP" The "FDC"
Write your answers (guesses) down below. Try to start with ones you're sure of. I'll give the answers in a couple weeks. Have fun.
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Post by gunfreak on Jan 28, 2006 13:45:46 GMT -5
Picadilly Commando=british SAS/commando?
90 Day wonder=replacements?
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Post by Guinness on Jan 28, 2006 13:50:51 GMT -5
SHAEF = Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Forces- Gen. Eisenhower's command of all allied foces in ETO, Capt. JD Robison's father was assigned to this command (For teh extra-credit win! ;D ) Butter Bar = 2nd leutenant- named because of their gold rank insignia. 90 Day Wonder = See above- Officer's Candidate training during WWII, Korea and Vietnam that trained and unleashed the 'Butter Bar's' (or Ensigns) on the troops. OJT = On (the) Job Training- Ok, I'm guessing here. "Repple Depple" = Replacement Depot Were line troop replacements came from. "Ol Blood 'n Guts" = Gen. George S. Patton Commander of the 3rd Army Corps. Coined the phrase I use as my signature- "Lead (me), Follow (me), ...or get the hell out of my way" -Those are all I know for your list, but you must have run out of paper to write your list because you left a couple off- I'm sure it was just an oversight- F.U.B.A.R. = F***ed Up Beyond All RecognitionS.N.A.F.U. = Situation Normal, All F***ed UpAnd are "REMF" and "FnG" unique to the 'Nam? -G
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 28, 2006 14:46:58 GMT -5
Good guess on the Picadilly Commando but it is not correct, and as pointed out by Guinness a 90 day wonder was an Officer Candidate School Graduate (new lieutenant speeded up from enlisted ranks as oppossed to ROTC or West Point.)
All of Guinness's answers were correct and gold star for the extra point responses!
Yes FNG and REMF (Rear Eschelon Mother F****er) Were unique to Vietnam "Remf" is my nickname on most forums. Something I thought would hold a certain level of irony turned out to be a big mistake as I end up with 14 year olds calling me REMF enthusiastically. They have no idea to an Infantryman how much of a pajorative it is!
That leaves: LoD, FEBA, Recce, TO&E, G-3, Shake n Bake, DP, FO, RCT, GHQ, G-2, "The Old man", The "TOP", "ALP", the Am DP, the FDC, and my personal favorite (cause my dad used to use the term all the time) a "Picadilly Commando" HINT: Many of these are overlay map terms or nicknames for individuals or occupations.
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Post by savoy6 on Jan 28, 2006 14:49:53 GMT -5
lod- line of departure.the point in their own lines from which a unit begins movement forward into enemy territory. recce- short for reconaisence(?) TO&E-table of organization and equipment.the army's perscribed setup for any type of unit's personel and whatever equipment it should have. SHAEF-Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Forces G-3-Operations and planning officer(s) at division level or higher. G-2-intelligence officer at the division level or higher.also the made for the army's intelligence department as a whole. FO-Forward Observer for field arty units.used to call in arty support for troops. RCT-Regimental Combat Team.An above strength regiment usually with attached armor and artillery units that operates as a seperate command from its parent unit. "the Old Man"-usually used as a term for the commanding officer of a company or larger unit. "The Top"- in WW2,used to refer to the company 1st Sargent or "1st Shirt".think charlton heston's character in "from here to eternity". FDC-fire direction center.used by an arty battery to coordinate the fire of the battery and other arty units.
these are just ones i can remember of the top of my head...so if i got any wrong,i'm sure i'll get corrected. oh,and wasn't a piccadilly commando a nickname for a london prostitute?
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Post by spitfire740 on Jan 29, 2006 0:44:14 GMT -5
I believe FEBA stands for "Forward Edge of the Battle Area"
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 29, 2006 3:25:44 GMT -5
You are both amazing. Spot on! Savoy Six if that was top of your head you have the WW2 jargon down pat. Spitfire, FEBA is in fact the "Forward Edge of The battle Area. Indeed a Picadilly Commando was an English Prostitute. (They hung out in the famous square in London) A TOP is the Company 1st Sgt but the actor in From Here to Eternity wasn't Chalton Heston. The "G" designation for headquarters sections extended in WW2 down to Battalion Level G-2 was indeed Intelligence, G-3 was Operations, G-4 was supply. In the current army these have been replaced by an "S" designation (S-2, S-3, S-4)
So that leaves a "Shake n Bake" a DP, GHQ, ALP and an AM DP
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Post by savoy6 on Jan 29, 2006 7:16:01 GMT -5
yes sir...burt lancaster was who played 1stSGT Warden.it was a good excuse to watch the movie again..lol...good example of how some pre-war first shirts actually ran their companys as opposed to the officers..
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 29, 2006 14:03:46 GMT -5
My father who was both enlisted, (to E-6) and commissioned (to O-5) loved the way Burt Lancaster was depicted. I know of examples where the company clerk pretty much ran the company!
So anymore guesses on DPs (There were millions of them and it was a common phrase) "Shake n Bakes" GHQ, ALPs, and AM DP. You're going to kick yourself for not at least guessing as you'll probably be right or come real close.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 29, 2006 19:33:54 GMT -5
Since I'm not getting any more guesses and I'm going to be on the road for the next two weeks solid (California, N Carolina, Florida and back to Washington State) I'll go ahead and provide definitions for the remaining terms. A "DP" was a Displaced person. They wandered all about Europe in some cases throughly unsure where to go. They were especially prevalent in the last year of the war. Different then a refugee in that they at least seem to have a direction they're fleeing to. A "Shake n Bake" was like a 90 day wonder except it reffered to an individual who went to a shortened NCO academy and got skipped up the Non Commissioned Officer ranks. (Usually acknowledged and singled out for propmotion due to their combat leadership skills.) "Shaken and baked in combat with the school putting the finishing touches on. "GHQ" stood for General Head Quarters An ALP on a map was the Ammunition Loading Point which might extend down to a company level ammo dump but usually was Battalion level and above. The "AM DP" was the ambulance departure point and it was usually located near the Battalion Aid station.
If you think this was kinda fun and worthwhile I'll do another one. Those who chose to play thank you.
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Post by spitfire740 on Feb 1, 2006 21:57:43 GMT -5
yeah, it was really cool. I only knew like 2 of those. S.N.A.F.U. will always be my favorite!
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Post by aircarb on Apr 1, 2006 17:19:38 GMT -5
Oh and G2 is an intelligence officer, second class and G3 is intelligence officer 3rd class
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 1, 2006 19:00:55 GMT -5
And what are you a third lieutenant? Intelligence is not a word you like to spell wrong. We are talking WW2 here and just to make sure people on the boards keep it all straight G-2 was the intelligence division of the headquarters staff and G-3 was the operations staff.
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Post by aircarb on Apr 2, 2006 0:05:41 GMT -5
haha...a simple "no" would have done too..
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 2, 2006 1:06:09 GMT -5
Just cause you're new to the boards and old doesn't mean I have to be easy on you! Now drop and give me 20!!!! Thanks for being a good sport on my slam.
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Post by aircarb on Apr 2, 2006 17:01:20 GMT -5
i've been on this board longer than you!
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Post by Russian on Apr 2, 2006 17:08:57 GMT -5
But 2ndbat is smarter than you.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 2, 2006 23:20:58 GMT -5
Aircarb! You are right and I apologize. Why did I think you were a new member? I didn't even look at the joined date. As for smarter Hmmmm. Einstein once said "The universe and extent of human stupidity is limitless. Recently I've come to wonder about the universe but I am more confident about the later remark with each passing day." I am not smart, just well read and addicted to all things WW2! A common affliction on this board and that's a good thing!
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