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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 29, 2006 1:07:05 GMT -5
Both sides labelled their major operations with code names. How accurately can you associate these names for operations with the actual campaigns?
Some are easier then others. No fair googling!
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Sea Lion Overlord Varsity Badenplatte Wacht en Rhine Market Garden Grenade Goodwood Torch Cobra Nordwind
Give the commonly referred to description of the named operation. Good luck and have fun.
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Post by spitfire740 on Mar 29, 2006 1:16:40 GMT -5
Overlord was the named operation for D-Day June 6th 1944. Torch was a naval invasion force in Morocco and Algeria.
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Post by Go4Broke on Mar 29, 2006 10:11:39 GMT -5
Sealion - Germany's planned invasion of Britain Varsity - Mass airborne operation to cross the Rhine in early '45. Market Garden - Plan by Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg to create endless Band of Brothers refrences... or an airborne operation to sieze Holland...you decide .
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Post by reese on Mar 29, 2006 17:39:39 GMT -5
Torch- North Arica i think Cobra- The breakout in normandy?? Badenplatte- German aerial attack on U.S. ground forces in the battle of the buldge.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 29, 2006 20:47:12 GMT -5
Very good. Everyone is right so far with the possible tweak that Bodenplatte was a German plan designed to destroy much of the US air force on the ground. Cobra was the US plan to breakout of Normandy following a masive bombing effort using Strategic bombers. Very successful although there was a disasterous friendly fire incident that killed hundreds of US forces including a US four star general! (General Lesley McNair)
I especially liked Go For Brokes assesment of Market Garden. It leaves Grenade, Wacht en Rhine, Goodwood and Nordwind.
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Post by Reece on Mar 29, 2006 21:50:01 GMT -5
Wacht en Rhine- German armies planned breakout to push the allies back across the Rhine River? Nordwind-German airborne invasion of Poland (I think it was Poland)
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Post by spitfire740 on Mar 29, 2006 22:41:52 GMT -5
Maybe Wacht en Rhine is an objective to blow up bridges that cross the Rhine? Just guessing from the movie "The Bridge at Ramegen"
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Post by mauser98k on Mar 29, 2006 23:55:25 GMT -5
Nordwind: Germans tried to corner and fully take out the 100th ID.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 30, 2006 2:14:57 GMT -5
Gee, I thought Watch on the Rhine was going to be one of the easy ones. It had nothing to do with the Rhine river (that was Hitlers idea to throw off the allies if they heard about his Master plan!)
Nordwind (northwind) was the Germans final major offensive on the Western front such as it was. I don't know what the US units involved were but they felt the crunch of this limited counter offensive south of the Ardennes that some call the mini Battle of the Bulge.
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Post by 160thsoar on Mar 30, 2006 20:56:32 GMT -5
Market Garden- Large airborne assualt (larger than D-Day) on holland by the British and American airborne. The plan was to jump into holland and liberate it so they could have a route right into Germany. Failed horrably and the troops had to find another way into the Deutchland.
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Post by HellRazor on Mar 31, 2006 20:13:10 GMT -5
Wacht en Rhine if I remember correctly was the code name for the "battle of the buldge". As was said earlier it was named that to make the allies think it was something completely different. Seems to have worked then, and now....lol
I might be wrong.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 1, 2006 2:14:09 GMT -5
You are correct. Hitlers code for the Ardennes Offensive was "Watch on the Rhine." Because he limted information about it to his closest supporters and those immediately involved and didn't communicate about it in electronic means the Allies who had become very dependent on Code Breaking were taken by surprise in spite of warning by the Belgians and unit intel.
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Post by HellRazor on Apr 1, 2006 2:25:29 GMT -5
Wo0t!
Thank you History Channel!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 1, 2006 2:32:17 GMT -5
Leaves Goodwood and i think we got em all!
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Post by howitzer on Apr 4, 2006 21:19:10 GMT -5
Goodwood: British and Canadian forces would try and take Caen; the British would flank the town while the Canadians would plow right through it. The German forces defending the town would eventually retreat. Something along those lines.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 5, 2006 1:27:04 GMT -5
Very good Howitzer. Goodwood was the planned British breakout from the invasion beaches. The terrain the British faced was more open then that faced by the Americans and the Germans had placed more armor along that route. Worse the germans had their Heavy tank Abteilungs positoned there as an active reserve. The open terrain around Caen made the differences in firepower, lethality and range of the german tanks vs the Shermans and Cromwell tanks extremely pronounced.
Huge numbers of British tanks were destroyed by relatively few German tanks and the British operation failed repeatedly. Montgomery later claimed he was deliberately using this operation as a Feint to open up the opportunity for the Americans to punch through to St Lo. Total bovine scatalogy. My father detested Monty who was so weak in self esteem he couldn't admit any personal failings. Eisenhower came to despise him for his arrogance and miscalculations of his own abilities.
Monty of course was not responsible for the differences in quality between Allied and German equipment. Thank God for the airforce!
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Post by 101st all the way! on Apr 5, 2006 21:57:53 GMT -5
Cobra=the break out from normandy Market Gardent=Monty's Guy on a short bused for plan Holland to make a bigger splash than Patton Overlord=Invasion of France Torch=Invasion of North Africa Varsity=Break out plan for some where but Patton over ran the dz's
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 6, 2006 1:42:34 GMT -5
throughout the first month and half following D-Day the airborne units continued to have planned drops and operations that were cancelled because the 3rd Army literally swept passed the planned "behind enemy lines" drops. One of the reasons for Market Garden was the Allies really wanted to utilize the airborne resource and take advantage of what they saw as a desperately weakened Germany. Had it worked (And it came desperately close in spite of an enormous numer of horrible SNAFUs) it would have been one of the most hearlded operations in modern military history.
Varisty was the airborne drop over the Rhine which did take place and was a sensational success. The best handled airborne operation of the war (By Far)
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Post by savoy6 on Apr 16, 2006 7:56:49 GMT -5
also the only one in which the M22 Locust airborne tank saw any use....just a couple with the British airborne units.. love that little thing..might make a good AS project given its size...
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 16, 2006 20:26:05 GMT -5
That is so cool! I remeber seeing an actual one in a museum somewhere along with part of a glider looking as though it had been deployed. I think it may have been the Airborne Museum outside Ft Bragg.
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Post by savoy6 on Apr 16, 2006 20:46:50 GMT -5
might be...haven't gotten up there yet.....i got the pic from .. www.robertsarmory.com/they seem to have a pretty good collection..
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Post by caffrey on Dec 31, 2006 5:54:51 GMT -5
Market Garden- Large airborne assualt (larger than D-Day) on holland by the British and American airborne. The plan was to jump into holland and liberate it so they could have a route right into Germany. Failed horrably and the troops had to find another way into the Deutchland. -Soar Market Garden actually suceeded as planned. The allies took the bridge and held it. However, 2 SS. Divisions and 1 Panzerdivision in same area completely threw off any attemps to move. This bottleneck turned a simple operation into a disaster! Nonetheless, it was poor planning and the allies were forced to retreat.
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Post by Sturmmann13 on Mar 2, 2007 15:42:47 GMT -5
Market Garden- Airborne Invasion of Holland, goal to take a bridge over the Rine River Overlord - D- Day, invaison of Occupied Europe Torch- Northern African Campaign Husky- Invasion of Sicaly (was that one of the orignals? Oh Well)
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 2, 2007 16:25:15 GMT -5
Yes that was Husky. Unless I'm mistaken we finally got them all.
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Post by 2ndranger on Mar 2, 2007 17:14:21 GMT -5
Grenade- In 1945 The US 9th Army was under the command of Montgomary and were to meet the Canadian army across the Rur or (Roer) river. Though they could not accomplish it because the germans blew the dams, the river flooded. Hitler would not allow Rundstdet to withdraw behind the rhine. It delayed the Americans plans to cross and they coulda stopped it too with Omar Bradleys 12th Army. Rundstdets forces were broken up during the "Battle for Rhineland", after that 290,000 germans were taken prisoner.
Found it in a WW2 Magazine.
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