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Post by silencer on Feb 27, 2006 19:05:20 GMT -5
Now I have pretty much learned that the whole german squad Idea was based around an MG. The squad would protect the MG and try and draw the infantry into its field of fire. I also learned that most of the men had k98's, is that intirely true? Only the squad leader and assitant had mp40/44's? If so, where does the gewher or FG42 fit in?
Also, does anyone know what the rank structure was like?
And, my main question, are there any other german tactics besides using the MG34/42 as the primary gun, draw the enemy into its fire to take them out.
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Post by Reece on Feb 27, 2006 21:49:46 GMT -5
I read somewhere that a G43 was issued to the best marksman.
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Post by Gordak on Feb 27, 2006 22:02:08 GMT -5
g43 and mp44 were issued to rifle men, they had no bearing on rank. only the mp40 went to NCOs late in the war, there we alot more automatics around. in VG divisions, you could see a whole squad with mp40s, this was an attempt to make up for lack of training with firepower. -Gordak
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Post by silencer on Feb 27, 2006 23:17:34 GMT -5
in VG divisions, you could see a whole squad with mp40s, this was an attempt to make up for lack of training with firepower. -Gordak Hahaha, lack of training with superior firepower! In all comon sense it doesn't make sense to me, why not give the less trained the k98s and the more trained the mp40s. Anyways, thanks a bunch for clearing that up with me.
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Post by polak on Mar 11, 2006 0:42:40 GMT -5
The way I've seen it along the early war, frontline troops got heavier weapons, and lighter weapons were issued to Garrison Troops, Support, or Special groups, such as the Gebirgsjager. The MP38-40 was not one of the most liked weapons due to its lack of a forward grip, and it was not favorable in terms of accuracy.
Then again, the G43 had its own problems.
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Post by silencer on Mar 11, 2006 2:34:38 GMT -5
If you go read interviews with people that were there, many would say they loved the mp40 because of its firepower. The FJ I belive had the mp40 as a sign of rank, the squad leader had one, this could be true for the heer/ss but I don't know. I personally, love guns like the mp40/thompson, besides mp5s.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 11, 2006 11:46:04 GMT -5
Late in the war (due to man power shortages) the squad makeup and hence the size of line companies was reduced throughout the German Army.
A slight increase in the number of MGs per company and a dramatic increase in the number of MPs issued as well as Panzer Fausts to German platoons was intended to make up for it by increasing the firepower capability.
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Post by predator06 on Mar 17, 2006 11:04:04 GMT -5
The STG44 and the G43 were weapons that were developed with the Intention of eventually Replacing the K98. The G-43 was actually a sort of Rip off of the soviet SVT 38/40.
The STG44 would have eventually replaced both the K98 and possibly the MP40 in front line service.
Distribution was Limited at first to the SS, and then eventually Some Elite front line Heer units received a limited quantity of STG44 assault rifles. Production never fully took off before the war ended however, So Distribution was limeted. Some squads would have only a few STG44 assault rifles at first, But the intention was that eventually All K98 rifles would be replaced.
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Post by mauser98k on Mar 18, 2006 21:49:32 GMT -5
lol well they call the G43 "Hitler's Garand". hint hint.
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Post by Rainer Schmidt on Mar 19, 2006 5:33:32 GMT -5
The Garand wishes it was a G43. Mmmm 7.92x57mm rounds in a 10rnd mag.
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Post by silencer on Mar 19, 2006 23:33:49 GMT -5
So, basically after 43/44 more weapons started finding their way to the troops? And then the stg44 and g43 made their way. But how common were these weapons? I have read that they really aren't as common as people say, and I have read that they were more common than people think?
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Post by mauser98k on Mar 19, 2006 23:44:59 GMT -5
A lot of convoys with FG42s got either held up or destroyed, so that rules out the fg42 being available. But since there was direct access, during the last days of the war in berlin i believe they had some mp44s. My 2 cents
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Post by howitzer on Mar 21, 2006 16:07:40 GMT -5
Well, the FG 42 was really a flop in gun design. The FG 42 was a paratrooper's rifle designed and built by the Luftwaffe to replace the bolt-action rifles, submachine guns and machine guns then in service with paratroopers.
There were two models made: Model 1 (which had a severly bent back pistol grip) and Model 2 (which was heavier, longer (though only slightly) and didn't have the severly bent back pistol grip) . Model 1 had only a 2,000 unit production run and was concidered a failure. It was too light to fire effectively from full auto mode and didn't have the strength to fire full rifle ammunition plus it was expensive to manufacture.
The second model had about 5,000 models made but was still too light to fire in full auto and expensive when compared to the StG. 44.
All in all, the FG 42 had no impact on the war.
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Post by mauser98k on Mar 21, 2006 22:58:33 GMT -5
Insane what can happen during the struggles of war.
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Post by silencer on Mar 21, 2006 23:51:39 GMT -5
Actually, not to be annoying, but didn't the total production = 8000? Anyways, I agree it had no impact on the war but my question about the fg is- was it used by the FJ at normandy?
And also, since the german supply lines were cut by allied air power, did the majority of new weaponry reach the front or did they get it when they fell back into germany? Wouldn't the first new weapons go to the russian front? Hitler wanted to take russia and also, at normandy, a lot of the people were either inexperienced, understrengthed or veterens of the russian side. So who knows what happened.
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Post by mauser98k on Mar 21, 2006 23:57:29 GMT -5
Well, think about it. Since they got held up on the front lines *obviously* they would have the most of the newer stuff back in the motherland. And I have seen a few photos with FJ's at normandy with fg42's to answer your question.
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Post by Russian on Mar 27, 2006 0:12:29 GMT -5
Just for clarification, Germany is the Fatherland, isnt it? Russia is the Motherland. ;D
I bet this gets deleted, most of my posts seem to these days.
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Post by silencer on Mar 27, 2006 0:44:59 GMT -5
Russia is the motherland, but for me Greece is the father land.
If a manufacturer comes out with a fg42 in time for my ww2 german impression I will buy it. If not nevermind.
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Post by cairo1 on Jun 30, 2006 20:40:09 GMT -5
id want a FG 42 btw is their evint a G43?
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Post by 2ndranger on Jun 30, 2006 21:46:19 GMT -5
Id settle for an airsoft Panzerschreck, blow the H-E-Double hockey sticks out of the target.
Just got it at 3 today so I will post pics when its done ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
~Schutze
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Post by cairo1 on Jul 6, 2006 0:52:41 GMT -5
oh man that will kick @$$ once it is done!
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Post by jugendkrieger on Nov 20, 2006 21:11:38 GMT -5
Screw the FG-42 !!!!!, it was seen in such limited numbers it was like 1-30000, K98 all the way
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Post by Russian on Nov 26, 2006 22:25:29 GMT -5
Hey man, not to be harsh, but, this topic is, what four months dead. Please, do not bring up old topics, unless you have some profound revelation, thanks.
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