Down here in the STL/Metro area we are trying to get a December milsim together with a Battle of the Bulge theme... thing is, I've been running games down here for so long I've run out of ideas. So this is where you guys come in. I was wondering what type of scenarios would be good to run for the day. At our field we have over 30 buildings setup as a village, multiple roads throughout the field, a checkpoint with bunkers, a farmhouse and lots and lots of woods. So any scenario ideas from you folks?
Links to what our field looks like so far... it's coming along and hopefully by next spring we'll have a church complete with a tower and graveyard for the village and a few coats of paint for all the buildings. It should be complete by the time I put on my all night D-Day scenario
Post by spitfire740 on Oct 24, 2006 20:23:49 GMT -5
I really like the beach, it looks very good. The bunkers, in my opinion are excellent. Clearly alot of time and hard work was put into making this set up. I am interested in seeing the "final product" when you get everything painted and finished up. So far it looks really good. This would make a good Utah Beatch set-up, since the beach is alot shorter (maybe Juno?). You may want to clean up some of the weeds/brush to clear out the area to make it more roomy. Again, that is looking very good, great job!
EDIT: I was just thinking, is the beatch near the town? this entire set up would amke a good Stalingrad scenario.
Yeah the beach is a short one haha. We actually have talked about building a village in an open area right off the beach area. Assault the beach and then take the village... it'd rock!
And our main village is probably a good 4-500 meters away from the beach. We've put a whole lot of work into our field as it's all ours (no paintballers... woohoo!). When we began it was all donated or scrap wood but now we have a cash flow from our normal open play games to fund working on the field.
And yeah, the brush and shrubs absolutely SUCK! The cool part though is on one of the roads the stuff is so thick on both sides it feels like a road lined with hedgerows :-)
Well we already did a beach landing back in May. And if you want only WWII impressions then expect the landing to suck since not many people around here do WWII impressions. Not trying to be a dick just saying ;-)
In case you missed it, proper ww2 impressions and living history are the focus of this web site. Airsoft is simply a vehicle to help express it. Your facility looks ambitious and fun and I'm delighted to see a dedicated airsoft facility but your question regarding scenario ideas seemed like a veiled excuse to showcase your venue.
There's nothing wrong with that mind you but unless I knew how many folks you expect to have in a given event and what your intent is (mil Sim, mission based, full story line scenario or series of skirmishes the question seemed too broad to respond to.
Different organizers have different goals for a big game and vastly different things to consider when thinking about the event. Do we want, Lots of contact? realistic missions? opportunity for planning? emphasis on competition? or emphasis on period emersion? training? Other factors are flow and rules, use of props, organizations, even or uneven sides, time frames use of an OPFOR, how the action will be controlled, (or not) role players? complexity of rules. Without a sense for any of that I don't think most people can help you much.
With your defeatest attitude about requiring folks to have at least an attempt at a reasonable WW2 impression I think you're posting on the wrong board. That isn't a dig it's just an observation and comment. I wish you sincere good luck with your venue and the events you put on.
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LOL. Even if AADan thinks you're a snob I don't believe you are
I understand where you are coming from though. Unfortunately many down here in my area just aren't interested in putting together a proper WWII impression. I however do have a proper 502nd impression (from OP: Overlord all the way into Occupation) that I use with reenacting and airsoft which is why I am on these boards. I aspire to make it up North to one of the games Capt Zak puts on. I wish we had more people who had full on impressions but we don't. However, on the main WWII airsoft site does it not list all kinds of different skirmish classifications? And isn't "Blue" defined as "Completely mixed game. Anyone is invited to participate regardless of uniform or weapon (modern or WWII). These are designed as informational meets to get re-enactors and airsofters in the game together." This is my ultimate goal. While I may not have the majority of the players in my area in WWII impressions I'd like to put on a game in hopes of turning some of these players to the 'dark side' so to speak.
And I wasn't trying to showcase my venue. Just showing what kind of field I have to work with for scenarios.
As for more information on what I'd like to do.... we are a milsim airsoft based community down here. This weekend in fact we have a full on milsim starting on Saturday that is commencing on Sunday midday. They want to play milsim and it just so happens that the consensus has said they want a Battle of the Bulge event for December as we play year round. So with myself being the sole person that has any real knowledge on WWII I have been put in charge of this event. I am just asking those who normally play WWII events what type of things you have played in the past that seemed to work. It doesn't have to be full on shooting 100% of the time. As a currently serving soldier I KNOW that isn't a true representation of the Army... in reality the fast paced part is only about 5% lol.
As for participation. At our monthly milsims the average number of people we have is normally in the 60-70 range and has before gotten into the 100s. We have a large number of people who show up from the STL area, Chicago, Kansas City and even Oklahoma who come to play.
SO in summation I am looking for ideas for a "BLUE" event as per your organizations classifications with an expected turnout of 60 people with a full on storylined milsim that will take place over 8-9 hours that would create enough interest to make people want to look into doing WWII airsoft.
I apologize if I stepped on any toes before or pissed anyone off.
Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 26, 2006 7:49:33 GMT -5
Snob! Just kidding John I agree. I think asking for a reasonable attempt at a WW2 impression is a good idea. Even if all you do is get them to drop modern tac gear and dress somewhat color specific. It is a milsim community. Part of being milsim is doing it like it gets done so dressing down the tactical stuff and in proper color coded uniforms should not be a big problem for your guys. The more ww2 events you have the more converts you will likely get with proper or closer to 100% accurate uniforms. People that have an interest in history and that also play airsoft will be drawn towards it as another outlet for them to enjoy history and or collecting.
As far as missions I would wrap them around the actual history itself where possible. The Battle of the Bulge had the Germans pressing through the Allied front lines. I would start with The Germans having to break through an allied line and recieveing points for how far they pushed through the line. I can PM you some specific missions from our field that we ran last spring I have that you could use for ideas.
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I think what I might do is set up some uniform requirements that are close to WWII uniforms. i.e. ODs and khaki uniforms for the US. Germans can wear grey, and flectarn to resemble the SS camo and woodland to resemble the splinter camo. No tactical vests will be allowed, just load bearing stuff. It won't be 100% authentic but it's a start.
Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 26, 2006 12:35:59 GMT -5
I sent you all the missions and some other material that may help you such as the ww2 ruleset that we use down here in Georgia including uniform standards feel free to use any or all of it. Let me know if you need any other help.
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Gents, I think we are looking at this the wrong way. Jeff is strongly against mixed games. Frankly, modern and WWII just don't mix. But, with these fantastic grounds, I think that any modern guy that came and saw Krauts and GI's doin battle on a beach front would LOVE to jump into the hobby....we get stuck when we are at Paintball fields, cause then we have a paintball mentality, and were stuck when we are overly exclusive, at private fields with no new comers. This may be a great way to branch out, and get a ton of new members.
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I have to agree with russian ;D this could get WW2AA the publicity its been looking for. Hey, ;D Napalm, awesome Kick @$$ Field man! That would make some awesome games. All you need to complete the mini atlantic wall is a Flak 88...Hmm wonder where we could get one of those? ;D
Post by baconandeggs on Oct 30, 2006 10:27:49 GMT -5
Napalm, your venue looks great and I commend you for trying to put together a WW2-inspired event. Sounds like you're off to a good start. If you would, keep us informed regarding "when and where", and you just might attract some players from this very forum.
Well our event this past weekend went off really well... Had non stop action from 10am until 4pm. It was a good one even though I was a UN observer making sure the game ran smoothly. We then had a night game that involved a helo circling the area ;-)
I'll let you know if this BoB event is going to be a go. If not then I'll keep you updated on any other games we're going to have up here. We've got a Toys 4 Tots event next month but it's nothing really milsim.
Well I am currently in the process of writing up the entire scenario. I plan on running the game from 0800 until 1700. Straight through. I'm striving for as realistic a game as possible at this point in time. Wound Cards will be used along with Medics and aid stations. I'm also thinking up some way to simulate artillery barrages ;-)
Like mischief has said it will take place on the 16th of December, the actual day when the Germans began their Ardennes Offensive back in 1944.
And, we are already in talks of making this a two part milsim with the second part taking place in January at our other location. ;D
If I can come I can bring my mortar, I have the flak 88 but it doesnt shoot anything. Which field would you be using? Also Is this that toys for tots event? What units near you would be joining us, any modern airsofters?
The toys 4 tots event was last weekend. This is strictly a 7 hour MILSIM. We'll be using the entire field. Units? We don't have any units down here. And yes, this will be a blue type game. Most of the players will be in modern uniforms and gear.
Dracul: It looks like it lost a lot of steam and I now feel bad for randomly dropping off.
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stuka: I mean it's not your fault. It is interesting though that things are falling off as we are finally getting our ww2 guns with the type 38/96 and the enfield as well as it recieving a new loading system, it's kind of unfortunate
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Dracul: I don't know, maybe its because all the guns are becoming available, there is a decreasing need for the forums.
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Dracul: Most of the talk was about making guns, as all the uniform info was already out there, but now the weapons are out there and are usually decent quality.
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stuka: well the forum is and should still be useful for updates on guns, creating groups/events and building kits
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Cpl. Hicks: I haven't been here in years, but I'm glad to see this forum is still kicking! So much great info on here.
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savoy6: anyone know if anyone still carries the enfield?
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Dracul: I think Redwolf has a Enfield. If not or not longer, then not until G&G releases theirs. The old gas Iron Airsoft brand SMLE isn't carried by anyone anymore and was such piece of crap. Not worth trying to track one down.
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