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Post by odinfish on Sept 15, 2007 9:09:50 GMT -5
.... rubber bayonets are stupid .... a guy was almost stabbed to death by charge someone with a rubber bayonet, guy dropped him and pulled out a REAL m3 knife... and honestly... if someone charge me with a bayonet i don't care if its rubber or real... I will drop that idiot hard and give him a few blows to the face because in the world we live in you can't trust that they don't have a real one... and your natural reflex tells you TAKE THAT FOOL OUT COLD! I agree totally. I'm reminded of a WW1 re-enactment I was at years ago. With a large group of doughboys, I was in our trench line when a German night charge came across no-man's land. We could only see them from the flashes of the flares going up, when one of the guys near me yelled, "Holy $%*#, they've got fixed bayonets!" We were all groggy, this being past midnight. The front row of Germans had rubber bayonets but didn't tell anyone and we couldn't tell in the night. Keep in mind that we'd already heard rumors of someone being stuck a few months before by a bayonet at another event. What resulted got UGLY. Guys were either jumping out and running to the rear, or were standing their ground and quickly (and painfully) showing the Germans the butt ends of their M1903 rifles. I'll never forget a "German" who yelled from the bottom of a trench, in a think Jersey accent, "Hey man, get offa me, what is ya doing?" I heard of a similar occurrence at another event that summer, a "Marine" with a trench shotgun and a plastic bayonet got his clock cleaned by a German in a trench in the same fashion. Everyone is entitled to their opinions... the use of rubber/resin bayonets or knives should be clearly disclosed before the scenario begins. If the use is approved or banned by the majority, whiners can leave whatever way the decision goes. However if the use of these instruments are accepted then the participating individuals "should" handle the situation maturely...that is not "blacking out" or finding some excuse to make a mountain out of a molehill as some of you over dramatic types are wont to do. These scenarios/events are meant to be as immersive as planned but NEVER forget that it is supposed to be fun too. Go ahead, turn an event into some hillbilly brawl and if I'm there I will be sure to arrest your ass and then your weapon and possibly even your gear will be the property of the County as evidence...meaning you will be out several hundred bucks genius. My zwei pfennigs worth, Mike
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 15, 2007 13:17:00 GMT -5
"Common sense isn't." Obviously these are things discussed and laid out in the rules of deportment by the event organizers. Duhhhhhh! "Hillbilly brawl" I love it. As my father used to say...."Well someone has to deep fry the chicken nuggets"
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Post by indie on Nov 17, 2007 19:20:46 GMT -5
i'm curious too. 2ndbat, what did you do to make the bayonet stay on the garand?
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Post by maverik on Oct 12, 2008 16:18:06 GMT -5
I saw this once and have done something like it.... but there was a guy on my airsoft team (a vietnam one) and he was ex-military (can you guess where I'm going with this?) well anyways we were told that the "NVA" might charge....well one night we heard some whistles and guess what....we were being charged so this guy waits until a "NVA"was close to him (the NVA had rubber baynoets) then he grabbed the guys rifle.. flunghim down into our make shift trench all the while sliding his bayonet from the end of his rifle. and "stabbed" the guy with his own rubber bayonet I found this very funny, because after he knife killed him he preceded to use the "NVAs" rifle to kill more NVA. Morale of the stroy: if you are charging with bayonets be prepared to be firing while doing so or you'll end up flung into the enemies trench and stabbed with your own knife and then the big bad enemy dude will take your gun and shoot your teamates with it. ;D
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Post by shadycadence on Oct 13, 2008 20:24:37 GMT -5
I saw this once and have done something like it.... but there was a guy on my airsoft team (a vietnam one) and he was ex-military (can you guess where I'm going with this?) well anyways we were told that the "NVA" might charge....well one night we heard some whistles and guess what....we were being charged so this guy waits until a "NVA"was close to him (the NVA had rubber baynoets) then he grabbed the guys rifle.. flunghim down into our make shift trench all the while sliding his bayonet from the end of his rifle. and "stabbed" the guy with his own rubber bayonet I found this very funny, because after he knife killed him he preceded to use the "NVAs" rifle to kill more NVA. Morale of the stroy: if you are charging with bayonets be prepared to be firing while doing so or you'll end up flung into the enemies trench and stabbed with your own knife and then the big bad enemy dude will take your gun and shoot your teamates with it. ;D And suppose getting flung into the trench broke his neck? What then? Death by fun? I gotta say this crosses the line. It may sound all cool and hard-assed, but it's really incredibly stupid and reckless. Thrusting a rubber bayonet at someone just out of reach is one thing, that's a symbolic kill. He (your buddy) could have just as easily pushed his (the NVA's) rifle aside and "stabbed" the guy with a nonexistent k-bar. And ripping someone's gun away from them in any situation has been against the rules of virtually every game I've played in, as would flinging them to the ground be. If you start throwing people around, you're in the wrong sport plain and simple. Control yourself on the field, or find a more violent hobby. I run games, and have helped run games. If I ever see anyone do something like you've described in any game I'm running, they will be immediately ejected and permanently banned without question. And I would support their victim if they wanted to press assault charges. The moral here? If you're going to take this activity to a physical level, be prepared to be permanently thrown out with malice and scorn, publicly branded as "that silly pony who took it too far." There, now my copper's in the pot.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 13, 2008 20:37:12 GMT -5
We have never had a problem with knife kills at any of the games here in GA. My buddy just got two of them last week he told me. I don't know what goes through people's heads sometimes.
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Post by maverik on Oct 20, 2008 16:48:29 GMT -5
most likely (i don't know since i don't play on his team anymore) he had un diagnosed PTSD. But I do understand that it was reckless and un acceptable anyways i do aprove of the use of knife kills. ;D
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Post by Russian on Oct 20, 2008 20:16:00 GMT -5
I saw this once and have done something like it.... but there was a guy on my airsoft team (a vietnam one) and he was ex-military (can you guess where I'm going with this?) well anyways we were told that the "NVA" might charge....well one night we heard some whistles and guess what....we were being charged so this guy waits until a "NVA"was close to him (the NVA had rubber baynoets) then he grabbed the guys rifle.. flunghim down into our make shift trench all the while sliding his bayonet from the end of his rifle. and "stabbed" the guy with his own rubber bayonet I found this very funny, because after he knife killed him he preceded to use the "NVAs" rifle to kill more NVA. Morale of the stroy: if you are charging with bayonets be prepared to be firing while doing so or you'll end up flung into the enemies trench and stabbed with your own knife and then the big bad enemy dude will take your gun and shoot your teamates with it. ;D And suppose getting flung into the trench broke his neck? What then? Death by fun? I gotta say this crosses the line. It may sound all cool and hard-assed, but it's really incredibly stupid and reckless. Thrusting a rubber bayonet at someone just out of reach is one thing, that's a symbolic kill. He (your buddy) could have just as easily pushed his (the NVA's) rifle aside and "stabbed" the guy with a nonexistent k-bar. And ripping someone's gun away from them in any situation has been against the rules of virtually every game I've played in, as would flinging them to the ground be. If you start throwing people around, you're in the wrong sport plain and simple. Control yourself on the field, or find a more violent hobby. I run games, and have helped run games. If I ever see anyone do something like you've described in any game I'm running, they will be immediately ejected and permanently banned without question. And I would support their victim if they wanted to press assault charges. The moral here? If you're going to take this activity to a physical level, be prepared to be permanently thrown out with malice and scorn, publicly branded as "that silly pony who took it too far." There, now my copper's in the pot. Here here!
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Post by kken on Nov 25, 2009 17:45:07 GMT -5
coming from a kar 98 noob, will the fieldwerk's kar 98 bayonet replica fit on a real kar98?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 2, 2009 13:11:30 GMT -5
It will most likely require a little filling where the inset slides onto the the Kar 98 bayonet lug. With the Garand rubber bayonets from Fieldwerks I had to do a tiny amount of fling on the ring and slot and the bayonet fits wonderfully on the end of a Garand (both real and my Garand AEGs) The rubber flops around a bit which frankly is good as it obviously therefire wouldn't hurt anyone. Even solid plastic ones could potentially injure someone.
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Post by stuka on Aug 26, 2012 14:14:39 GMT -5
Bayonets.. i like, whenever the g&g/ics m1 garand comes out(i'll pry get whichever came first) i will definitely be charging at some germans when i run out of ammo XD or just because since I am slightly abnormal
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Post by stuka on Jan 5, 2015 23:10:31 GMT -5
sorry to necropost but I would like the say that thefieldwerks also makes m1905 rubber bayonets. You have to special request from him though. Best way to contact him would be through his ebay www.ebay.com/usr/rgreen502Picture of it on a custom airsoft m1(shorter one for some scale is m1 rubber bayonet) i.imgur.com/pZAkCep.jpgPicture of it on the G&G 1903 imgur.com/Wu3s1Aq
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 6, 2015 12:43:52 GMT -5
The 10 inch flops around more than I would like. The M1905 must be real sloppy. I am surprised you could get a picture of it laid out straight. For knife kills to be utilized safely in events, a clear understanding of what the rules are and a high level of trust in your fellow players is required. A bayonet charge is a cool thing to reenact but not if you intend to actually plan on thrusting muzzles tipped with even rubber bayonets up close. Unless the rifles are nerf foam rubber, full simulation just isn't possible to recreate.
for us, knife kills were simply a tap with the rubber blade (quite rare actually) and almost always at night from behind an unsupecting (or sleeping) sentry. The only reason used was for silence and to be descreit. Full on hand to hand combat is never simulated as such physical interaction could only end bad.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 6, 2015 12:50:21 GMT -5
incidently due to size infidelities the US bayonet (real or fieldworks ) wont fit on the ICS Garand. it will fit (as shown) on the M14 to M1 conversions as they typically use actual gas assemblies or exact scale molded parts.
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Post by stuka on Jan 6, 2015 16:50:16 GMT -5
Yeah I only bayonetted a person once, I was able to stick my rifle over a wall and get him. Regardless, it's fun to do as I have scared some people which lead to friendly fire haha. Although, that being said, what's an IJA soldier without a sword bayonet =P
I heard that the new ICS batch might fit bayonets but idk about that. I was talking to a guy who said they apparently do for him so eh
Edit, yeah it is pretty floppy, it's just a matter of angles for the picture. It will look silly in a charge but it's length makes it up for me personally
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 6, 2015 21:58:06 GMT -5
Floppy is probably a good thing from a safety perspective. for one thing it is more obviously fake as someone is advancing for another just less likely to dig into someone. Stabbing someone over a wall sounds dubious and questionable for too many reasons to discuss. You're not making a good case for yourself and your obvious obsession for bayonets!
For the ICS to facilitate bayonets (real or replica) they will have to completely redo their gas assembly. Not a bad idea as its my only real significant complaint about the gun. The other minor visual infidelities are pretty easy to fix or ignore.
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Post by stuka on Jan 7, 2015 9:17:59 GMT -5
na it was done lightly as I knew where he was
It was a silly game done with 2 admins at a local field several years ago. It was like the 2 of them with pistols vs like 10 people with melee weapons. I think one person had a push broom. Under normal circumstances, they wouldn't allow that but since they were admins and we knew each other it was ok for that idiocy and nobody got hurt.
If it makes you feel better, I don't reach over walls on a normal bases and probably wouldn't if given the opportunity due to things potentially going wrong.
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