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Post by 101steasykid on Jan 13, 2007 18:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by click on Jan 13, 2007 19:12:57 GMT -5
Thanks 101st! 2nd Bat do you use the knock off m14 internals as in your garands? how is the quality? Click Sorry, kinda hijacked the post
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Post by 101steasykid on Jan 13, 2007 19:33:29 GMT -5
well, ive used my one friends, and the internals are fine. 2nd did state how some of the wires can be crossed or something like that, but it rarely happens, and it didnt happen to my friends. They are also used in the garands. Anything to add 2nd, and sorry for answering questions not assigned to me.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 13, 2007 23:17:13 GMT -5
No problem it's good to get a multitude of opinions about the quality of the guns as my opinion could seem biased since I do use the AGM Double eagle M-14 in my low end conversion. $560.00 as compared to the $700.00 Marui conversion. The quality is not quite on par with the Marui but it is very, very close. It isn't quite as crisp on semi auto and it doesn't have quite as precise a hop up system as the marui but it shoots about 30 FPS harder right out of the box then the Marui which is kinda nice. As mentioned earlier the simulated wood stock on the AGM Double eagle is quite a bit better looking, fake wood then the Marui but there is a somewhat more pronounced seam. very slight.
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Post by click on Jan 14, 2007 9:14:16 GMT -5
Thanks Guys for the reply! I guess it doesn't much matter if the full auto ins't very good on the knock off, cause garands didnt fire full auto. Click
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 14, 2007 16:32:51 GMT -5
Actually it is significant because it's the other way around, it's the semi automatic that isn't as crisp on either the G&G or the AGM (Double eagle) as the Marui. Again in my opinion no ones gearboxes are as crisp and smooth as the marui whose precise build tolerances and assembly are the gold standard for all others.
Again the others work fine on semi just not as smooth and with slightly more delay and gear whine.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 24, 2007 22:33:37 GMT -5
I've had two out of 18 of the Double Eagles that double feed pretty consistently and I'm not sure what causes it. It's less noticeable with the Marui low caps then the hi caps that come with the gun and I think it might be tied to the hop up as it got better somewhat when I went back to .20 gram and set the hop up back to none and slowly re-engaged it.
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Post by vietnammarine on Jan 25, 2007 6:11:45 GMT -5
2nd Bat First of all, your Garand conversion is beautiful and when I have seen it for the first time on Arnie´s I was shocked how good it looks. I have this conversion idea some time ago for my ASC M14, but finally I gave it up and decided to not start WWII impression yet. But I hope so in future.
During two months of just reading this forum, I have found out here so many great airsoft gunsmiths - bat, schmitty, biged etc...those projects, guns are the best what I have ever seen, so maybe my point will be useless , but I had this issue (doublefeeding, sometimes misfeeding and totally not feeding) with my ASC M14 3or 4 years ago when I have changed the base spring for 100spring...I have spent three sleepless months with that. When I was totally destroyed and thought that I bought just wallhanger for 900bucks when beeing on college, f*** ...I tried as a last thing to remove a piece of hop, I am not sure what´s the name of this part in english, but it is that plastic "U" shaped part in front of Hop unit. I removed that and...wuoala...everything was fixed.
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Post by nichollasm on Jan 25, 2007 10:56:45 GMT -5
does the real m14 fire on full auto.
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Post by vietnammarine on Jan 25, 2007 11:19:54 GMT -5
M14 can be modified to semi/auto with just few parts. The civilian version of M14 - M1A not.
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Jan 25, 2007 17:23:39 GMT -5
I'm sure some of you have noticed but www.shortyusa.com now has the UTG M14 aeg's out, are these the same as the one's you get from across the sea? If so you can now buy them from the US. ;D
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Post by nichollasm on Feb 1, 2007 10:52:48 GMT -5
i have a question would you reccomend i get the new mp40 or the new m14 and convert it.
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Feb 1, 2007 11:22:28 GMT -5
Depends on your impression. I would get the m14.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Feb 1, 2007 13:43:47 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 1, 2007 14:11:06 GMT -5
I don't know for sure that the UTG M-14 is one and the same with the AGM but if I had to guess I'd say it is. The packaging of course is different (What comes standard with it) Both should work fine with the conversion but I'll need to order one to be sure. Currently I have a lot of the AGM M-14s in stock and enroute so it might be a while. The Military M-14, like the airsoft version had a slector switch. Early in the M-14s short use as the Armys main battle weapon it was a removable key controlled by the squad leader. Later it was on all M-14s issued both to the army and the Marines.
Some people remove them on my conversions and some don't. I now leave them on the gun as I think even with the Garand conversion it's important to have the option. I for instance use mine on fully auto and shoot three round bursts simply because players often fail to register mentally a single airsoft hit. The rapid strikes in harmony either by feel or sound tend to be noted. If not I just give em another burst.
At the Long Winter there were 10 Garand AEGs in use (7 of them the Chinese knock off guns) There were no complaints about their function or effectiveness. They looked great in the pictures of course.
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Post by nichollasm on Feb 4, 2007 8:15:35 GMT -5
but i need to know is the mp40 a low maintence type gun or is it like the top mp40. because i can get them botch for the same amount for both guns but i need need to now with one is better. or is the m14 better.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Feb 4, 2007 19:22:51 GMT -5
It stands heads and shoulders above a TOP. I wouldn't touch a TOP now except when payed to do so.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 5, 2007 3:18:17 GMT -5
The M-14 Chinese knock off has a longer barrel and shoots quite a bit harder in stock format. 330 FPS versus 270 to 280. Very appropriate of course for a rifle versus a sub machine gun. The MP-40 is already period correct and looks feels and shoots great. (I have two) The M-14 would require the conversion to a Garand or whatever other conversions might be in the works for the M-14.
I've thus far had almost 20 of the M-14s and with just a few exceptions have been delighted with them. I would guess that they are equally as reliable and quantumly better then anything made by TOP when it comes to reliability.
If you're going for a Axis impression get the MP-40, if you're going for a US or German go for the M-14 which can serve reasonably acceptably for a Garand, BAR or Gewer 43.
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Post by nichollasm on Feb 27, 2007 0:21:15 GMT -5
i have a question there is a cheap springer short m14 do you think you can convert it into a tanker m1 garand 2nd bat. (sorry if im asking a stupid question)
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 27, 2007 2:02:08 GMT -5
I recently got pictures of a Tanker variant conversion from the M-14 AEG. Though I am not a fan of the Tanker version (It wasn't period correct and to my way of thinking looks disproportionate. ) His finished prodcut looked great and since he made it for his 12 year old son it actually made a lot of sense.
The price of the Chinese knock off AEGs is so low now, I can't imagine why anyone would even want to bother with the springer M-14s at all. In stock version especially to go through the troube and expense to attempt to convert.
As an update the UTG and KART 66 M-14s are NOT the same as the Double Eagle, AGM M-14 Chinese Marui knock offs. They don't shoot as hard and have quite a few differences in assembly and accessories. I'm sure they share alot of components but there are enough differences (even in the molds) that's I'm very confident they are different production sites. I feel strongly that the AGM is the best of the Marui Clones for reasons mentioned in a different thread. (Technical Section)
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Post by nichollasm on Feb 27, 2007 7:58:46 GMT -5
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Post by click on Feb 27, 2007 10:34:06 GMT -5
The gun is a springer in case you didn't realise. With all of the cheap model M14's out there i would just save a little more and get an aeg version. Why would you want a tanker garand unless the Garand is too large for you? It is innacurate(as pointed out by 2nd Bat).
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 27, 2007 12:42:29 GMT -5
I'm fairly confident the gun is molded plastic through the barrel and stock but I could be wrong. As such while you could conceivably modify it to a Garand layout I would have to question why you would bother. It would be a lot of work and expense and you'd still have a springer gun that you'd have to cock each time. If it's a matter of cost just buy the gun for use in it's present form and use it as is. It sounds like a well done springer for the money although some of the claims of accuracy relative to hitting quarters are just plain hooey. I suppose if you shoot enough rounds you're going to eventually hit a quarter!
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Post by nichollasm on Feb 28, 2007 5:19:54 GMT -5
sorry for the trouble.
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Post by click on Feb 28, 2007 6:46:51 GMT -5
No trouble.... It was a legitimate question. "There are no stupid questions"
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Post by TommyGunner on Feb 28, 2007 12:41:54 GMT -5
Was the Tanker Garand used in Korea? Was it even used by the Military? Or was it simply a civilian version of the Garand?
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Feb 28, 2007 13:12:26 GMT -5
I'm under the impression it was only a civilian rifle.
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Post by click on Feb 28, 2007 16:09:10 GMT -5
I'm under the impression it was only a civilian rifle. Same here. Click
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Feb 28, 2007 16:16:41 GMT -5
i believe it was a civialian rifle that showed up a number of years after the war. i heard it was a scam that used wrecked m1 front ends and the guy tried to pawn it off as a rare weapon. ....i also heard that it was developed for paratroopers but i doubt that. there are alot of "paratrooper" items out that that frankly are a load of bull.
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Post by Nimlas on Feb 28, 2007 17:07:41 GMT -5
It was a shortened version that they tried to use to boost sales of all the old M1's. People didn't want a full size rifle, so they cut them down. Never used by the military though.
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