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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 8, 2007 23:10:38 GMT -5
Interested if there are any differences at all in parts thrown in it. I would bet as others have said all these come out of the same factory. I may have to buy one and compare side to side with a full break down. or I could just wait a few days and one of you other guinea pigs that own both will do it for me...
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 8, 2007 23:18:17 GMT -5
The bakelight is an easy easy fix and the selctor switch is just not a big deal at this point in the newly expanded availability of WW2 weapons. Think of it. We now have the MP-40 in an AEG that works and isn't stupid money. The Thompson that's been around for a good long while and continues to be an excellent and reliable weapon. The M2 semi automatic carbine carrying forward the tradition of an excellent but limited skirmisher. The Kar 98 from Tanaka which is about as nice a bolt action airsofter as you can have. The marushin Garand GBB (Limited skirmishability) My AEG Garands (spendy now by the new Chinese AEG standards) Rumors of a springer affordable kar 98 and perhaps followed by a Springfield? A couple BARs on the immediate horizon by all accounts (probably be big big money) but may lead to Chinese knock off, affordable versions. What's next? ? This is a very very exciting time. Seeing your picture of the box encourages me considerably. Gunner wasn't doing proper orange tips and my last two shipments got through fine. Maybe I'm pressing my luck. One of the good (and bad) things about the Chinese is they stay away from trademarks so that's one less hiccup with US Customs. Guiness with your ever expanding arsenal you really should invest in a chrono.
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Post by Guinness on Jan 9, 2007 0:27:51 GMT -5
The TOP "bakelight" is just brown plastic Guin Roger that Goose It's just brown plastic that I wouldn't have to paint or cover the hole where the Flaggrantly Wrong fire selector was And yes 2ndBat, your right I should, its just hard to spend money on something that doesnt actually shoot BBs even if it is still in support of my hobby -G
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Post by Ripper on Jan 9, 2007 7:58:46 GMT -5
Is there any type of fire control/safety other than the selector switch? Our field (and many others) require the mag to be out and the weapon on safe when entering or exiting the safe zone. I'll have to leave the selector switch alone if there isn't some kind of manual safety. I'm getting beyond anxious at this point. ;D The gun is on it's way, the big uniform order is on it's way and I have UPS delivery info on my field gear.
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Post by Guinness on Jan 9, 2007 8:33:31 GMT -5
ripper,
The gun actually has an on/off switch on the pistol grip so your all good.
-G
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Post by neillblume on Jan 9, 2007 11:00:16 GMT -5
hi I ordered mine from boomarms yesterday let us know how it goes..... I may a have a dead TOP for sale soon. I notice that noonne has said anything about extra mags for these I believe the TOP one are not compaatible. does anyone care to post some pics..... or investigate hoow to make them.
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Post by Guinness on Jan 9, 2007 11:25:28 GMT -5
Herr Blume, The mags are becoming available, but ya kinda have to search them out right now I was randomly searching US eBay last night for "MP40" looking for accessories- A strap, etc. and came across a HK seller that had them for $9 each..........unfortunately he is listing them in GBP (UK Pounds), so $9 for them is roughly $20 bucks for us - I ordered a package of 2, spent a little over $40 with shipping. Note that he is in HK, not the UK so your money isn't going through England or anything screwy like that. Here is his US eBay listing: cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330070729078&ih=014&category=2537Slainte! -G
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Post by Ripper on Jan 9, 2007 14:20:43 GMT -5
Danke, danke!! I have no problem ordering from HK and $20 isn't any kind of money to fret over for mags. Cheaper than most of what I run now. I can't look at ebay from work, but I'll check it out as soon as I get home.
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Post by stukaace on Jan 9, 2007 20:12:32 GMT -5
New to the forum I know, but I just ordered one of these from Dave on ASR. Thanks for the review.
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Post by Blue Crab of PAIN on Jan 9, 2007 20:54:20 GMT -5
I ordered mine from gunnerairsoft.com 110$ for the gun plus shipping. I'm very sure it's the excact same gun, but time will tell. It would be strange if AGM suddenly, in their newest gun, began to use a plastic gearbox. I couldn't find it on that site, could you send a URL? Thanks ;D
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 9, 2007 21:10:33 GMT -5
i ordered from the guy on ASR and just ordered four spare mags for my as yet not received MP-40 Hopefully these mags will work but I want this gun in time for the Long Winter game in the NW. 30 round capacity is impressively authentic. 150 rounds available with the mag in the gun is about right I think.
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Post by Guinness on Jan 9, 2007 23:37:27 GMT -5
I ordered mine from gunnerairsoft.com 110$ for the gun plus shipping. I'm very sure it's the excact same gun, but time will tell. It would be strange if AGM suddenly, in their newest gun, began to use a plastic gearbox. I couldn't find it on that site, could you send a URL? Thanks ;D The Gunnerairsoft guy is as busy as a one legged man in a butt kicking contest ;D I think you have to contact him by mail and he will respond though. Boomarms has them for $10 more bucks than gunner though. I think we should start a letter writing campaign and tell AGM to 'borrow' the design for the grease gun and give us some of those in full metal finally! And heck- while we're at it, Schmitty, send them your MP44 and let's get them to give us some of those with ver 3 gearboxes in them! .....the FG42 is mostly stamped steel too right? Slainte! -G
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 10, 2007 0:26:05 GMT -5
I'd be fine with giving them all I have on the garand AEG and encouraging them to get that done. It most likely won't happen of course but the way things are going lately and provided they do well with their recent offerings it just might!
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jan 10, 2007 1:25:25 GMT -5
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Post by Guinness on Jan 10, 2007 2:07:26 GMT -5
Not to throw cold water on your cold water throwin' But we have all read that review and I have actually chatted with the author kalbs, and it all still boils down to the same thing that everybody knows about Chinese clones regardless of the brand, you still generally need to: -Replace or sometimes apply mechbox grease -Replace or possibly reverse wiring -Replace or upgrade the assorted spring guide, piston, spring, gear set, etc ....To get it as reliable and long-lasting as a TM. Recently the trend seems to be that the up-and-coming Chinese firms are producing new variations of popular guns and as in this case, guns that have not been successfully realized by any maker on the market. I think that is a very positive thing indeed. And setting all of that aside, we are still talking about a gun that even if you replaced every AEG related part but the metal gearbox itself and bought spare parts, will run less than $200 bucks (S3 aside ) Those parts are relatively cheap and are definately easy to find at all the retailers. Slainte! -G
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Post by DeB on Jan 10, 2007 10:36:20 GMT -5
Hi there!
I was wondering if a Top or a modified MP-5 Hi cap magazine internal would fit in the 50 rounds mag shell??
Maybe I'm gonna buy it from airsoft paradize. com is the AGM MP007. Metal GB!
What can you say about the folding stock?? is it solid? Only Guinnes has mentioned in his review.
Thanks a lot!!! WW2 Rules! Marco from Italy
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Post by Doom on Jan 10, 2007 11:29:22 GMT -5
What can you say about the folding stock?? is it solid? Only Guinnes has mentioned in his review. I own the S-3 Arms MP40, so I can answer that question. The stock is very solid when locked back. It has a little movement when folded under the gun, but it doesn't feel "cheap" if that's what you're asking.
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Post by DeB on Jan 10, 2007 11:43:45 GMT -5
Thanks a lot doom!!!
it's really important because it is the most "easy-to-broken" part when playing! Bye bye!
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Post by Guinness on Jan 10, 2007 11:58:07 GMT -5
Caio!
Welcome to the forums there Marco!
Slainte!
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Post by DeB on Jan 10, 2007 12:02:09 GMT -5
Thank you!
What about magazine? Have you tried to put in the TOP internals?? Thanks!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 10, 2007 15:39:34 GMT -5
As mentioned earlier in the thread there is a seller of spare magazines on Ebay right now. Quite reasonable actually. I bought four and will give a full report when I've gotten a chance to try em out.
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Post by mikkel on Jan 10, 2007 15:44:04 GMT -5
I think that the review is overly negative Plastic bushings? Same as on TM guns. Plastic spring guide? Same as on TM.
Bad QC on gearbox. Thats a real shame no matter what gun, and IMO it's the only real downside, the black plastic is not too nice either but can be fixed with some painting skills. Badly cast gearbox and dammage to the mag release is a shame. But not enough to say that a 800HK$ gun is only 1 out of 5.
The so called 'metal' on Tm guns are not much better either, and i have seen much worse cases of bad QC on hugely expensive CA guns.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 10, 2007 15:57:59 GMT -5
The suggestion by the author to "Stick with TM" is generally valid except guess what Tokyo Marui doesn't make an MP-40 as we have so ruefully pointed out many times. With these Chinese knock off and start up producers you get what you pay for and in my opinion far more. With each iteration they improve and at 1/3rd the price of a comparable offering they represent a great value. Are there compromises, absolutely! I am very pleased with my knock off chinese weapons (Over 20 have now cycled through my doors or remain in my arsenal) Two remain dissapointing after tweaking and TLC and I haven't given up on them yet.
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Post by stukaace on Jan 10, 2007 17:16:42 GMT -5
Should be interesting to see how the selector switch can be dealt with.
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Post by schmitty on Jan 11, 2007 11:33:25 GMT -5
I took my S-3 arms MP-40 apart last night and here are a few interesting findings:
Derek from airsoft force said:
The gears all say XYT right on them, But they are steal and appear to be very good quality. The couple weaknesses are the quality of the plastic parts (nozzle, tappet plate etc). They are just very poorly cast with lots of burs on the edges. Also the way the motor is mounted by a single long metal tab at the bottom seems poorly designed. When you pull the trigger hard it actually flexes and moves the motor in relation to the gears.
Other than that it seems quite well made there are a few crude grinding marks on the front of the gearbox but who cares? The inner barrel and hop up are NOT marui compatible. The barrel does not detach from the hop up. At least not without breaking something as the hop up is glued together around it. The hop up dimensions are similar to a TM AK-47 but not the same and not easily interchangeable.
I found several loose screws throughout the gun and its worth checking all those. My outer barrel used to wiggle around, but not any more.
It's easy to convert to full auto only. (I'll give more details and photos later).
Overall pretty impressed with the internals.
Schmitty
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 11, 2007 11:41:09 GMT -5
More good info right there Schmitty. We appreciate your efforts.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 11, 2007 12:52:36 GMT -5
I haven't received my AGM MP-40 yet but when (and if) I do I'll bring it to Schimitty to compare with the S-3. He can give the definitive report on whether it is one and the same. It sounds to me like this S-3 outfit took full advantage of being the first out to market knowing there was pent up demand and a big margin spread on an inferior product (TOP) The Chinese apparently understand Capitalism quite well!
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Post by schmitty on Jan 11, 2007 13:18:45 GMT -5
That sounds like a great idea John (I mean a side by side mp-40 comparison) If you want to we can remove the selector switch while we are in their. Even though it seems like Derek from Airsoft force flat out lied about the differences I'm not upset. What goes around comes around and he'll get what he deserves (maybe burn in hell? ). I still think even at the ASF S-3 price this gun was still well worth the money, The review by Kerb (Can't remember exact name) seems very harsh. Schmitty
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Post by Doom on Jan 11, 2007 14:12:52 GMT -5
Even if the S-3 Arms MP40 was sent out with NO internals, it was worth the 280 I paid. A non-functioning replica is over 400 dollars!
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Post by Guinness on Jan 11, 2007 16:35:10 GMT -5
I haven't received my AGM MP-40 yet but when (and if) I do I'll bring it to Schimitty to compare with the S-3. He can give the definitive report on whether it is one and the same. It sounds to me like this S-3 outfit took full advantage of being the first out to market knowing there was pent up demand and a big margin spread on an inferior product (TOP) The Chinese apparently understand Capitalism quite well! er uh ahem.... "And although I never saw Jim's box, I can definately attest that it's the same weapon that he purchased from Airsoftforce. So I think that conclusively proves that the S-3 gun and the MP007 are in fact the same product" From pg1 -G
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