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MG 42?
Jan 13, 2007 15:59:17 GMT -5
Post by 2ndranger on Jan 13, 2007 15:59:17 GMT -5
Ok all, Ive got 2 funds running right now, 1 is for my imp, the other for my weapons. The weapons list calls for a MG42 next ;D. I just would like to know, who make the loudest one? Who sells it? Which would be best to get MG42 or MG34? Thanks all.
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Nimlas
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MG 42?
Jan 13, 2007 16:01:10 GMT -5
Post by Nimlas on Jan 13, 2007 16:01:10 GMT -5
Shoei makes the loudest, and I think you'll have to wait for another production run.
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MG 42?
Jan 13, 2007 16:24:38 GMT -5
Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Jan 13, 2007 16:24:38 GMT -5
where u get the shoei MG42s? ive seen them once and a while on the net, but never for sale...where? lol
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MG 42?
Jan 13, 2007 19:35:30 GMT -5
Post by Russianboy on Jan 13, 2007 19:35:30 GMT -5
From Shoei
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Jan 13, 2007 19:43:30 GMT -5
Post by 101steasykid on Jan 13, 2007 19:43:30 GMT -5
wgcshop has them in the other guns catagory
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Jan 13, 2007 19:48:09 GMT -5
Post by Russianboy on Jan 13, 2007 19:48:09 GMT -5
No they dont. Or I cant find them. 1 of the 2.
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MG 42?
Jan 13, 2007 21:25:43 GMT -5
Post by Ungar on Jan 13, 2007 21:25:43 GMT -5
DAMN! I wish I could get that sweet feeling of a piece of the bipod cutting into my shoulders after carrying it for 2 hours
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Jan 13, 2007 21:45:44 GMT -5
Post by 101steasykid on Jan 13, 2007 21:45:44 GMT -5
Umm, yeah, they have them on WGC. If you cant find your way to them, type in Shoei in the search bar and you get the mg42, fg422, and the mp44 kit, and mp44.
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Nimlas
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Jan 13, 2007 22:19:03 GMT -5
Post by Nimlas on Jan 13, 2007 22:19:03 GMT -5
Umm, yeah, they have them on WGC. If you cant find your way to them, type in Shoei in the search bar and you get the mg42, fg422, and the mp44 kit, and mp44. Yes, they're sold out of all of them. Hard to buy things when they're out of stock I think your next best bet is contacting shoei directly.
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Jan 13, 2007 22:29:52 GMT -5
Post by 101steasykid on Jan 13, 2007 22:29:52 GMT -5
haha, oh, my bad. Well they usually restock within a month, it was probaly because of christmas orders, or people getting money for christmas and then ordering the shoei products. Yeah, i agree with nimlas, best way would be to contact shoei themselves.
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Jan 13, 2007 22:41:42 GMT -5
Post by Nimlas on Jan 13, 2007 22:41:42 GMT -5
haha, oh, my bad. Well they usually restock within a month, it was probaly because of christmas orders, or people getting money for christmas and then ordering the shoei products. Yeah, i agree with nimlas, best way would be to contact shoei themselves. No, Shoei products are done in very limited production runs. I did get word that they'd be cranking out some more 42's soon enough.
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Jan 14, 2007 20:45:58 GMT -5
Post by indy on Jan 14, 2007 20:45:58 GMT -5
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Russianboy
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Jan 14, 2007 22:29:54 GMT -5
Post by Russianboy on Jan 14, 2007 22:29:54 GMT -5
I'm planing on geting my shoei later this summer.
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MG 42?
May 11, 2007 0:58:09 GMT -5
Post by panzer13 on May 11, 2007 0:58:09 GMT -5
you may wana check classicairsoft.net every now and then (once in a blue moon ) you might just get lucky ..
im in for a 42 this late summer as well
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May 11, 2007 13:54:25 GMT -5
Post by wade on May 11, 2007 13:54:25 GMT -5
The Chinese are coming out with a MG34 and a MG42.
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May 14, 2007 14:10:08 GMT -5
Post by valtteri on May 14, 2007 14:10:08 GMT -5
Guns'n'guys ( www.gunsnguys.net ) still have the electric version that's made on SHOEI bodies. I've got one and really, along with the Thompson, it's the only WW2 gun that actually really looks the part & works really well.
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May 16, 2007 17:54:29 GMT -5
Post by mikkel on May 16, 2007 17:54:29 GMT -5
My MP44 works perfectly and gives a lot better feel when shooting. The MG42 AEG is a bit tame, with plastic stock and grips. At that price i would expect to see them use the wood or real bakelite.
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May 17, 2007 8:31:58 GMT -5
Post by heinz on May 17, 2007 8:31:58 GMT -5
The Chinese are coming out with a MG34 and a MG42. Uh huh. Care to back that up with any rock-solid sources?
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May 17, 2007 17:00:03 GMT -5
Post by mikkel on May 17, 2007 17:00:03 GMT -5
False rumors. There is no such gun in production anywhere.
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May 17, 2007 17:27:32 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on May 17, 2007 17:27:32 GMT -5
Mikkel and your sources for that information since you say it with such certainty?
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May 17, 2007 19:10:35 GMT -5
Post by wade on May 17, 2007 19:10:35 GMT -5
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May 18, 2007 4:41:08 GMT -5
Post by mikkel on May 18, 2007 4:41:08 GMT -5
2nd Bat> Gunnerairsoft.com and one fellow on arnies that normally know his stuff a long time before it happens.
Also the only thing to back up the rumor about an MG34 (the 42 was pure speculation, that just followed the rumor of the 34), was a bad quality photo taken from an chinese gun magazine, where someone wad written 'JG new gun' with a marker on the top of picures of a real steel MG34.
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May 18, 2007 6:08:21 GMT -5
Post by wade on May 18, 2007 6:08:21 GMT -5
It's a bad quality photo, it's true, but how can you tell that's a real steel MG34, and how can you tell it's written in marker? As I look on gunnerairsoft, I can't see anything about he MG34 being a hoax. Besides read this:
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May 18, 2007 20:34:01 GMT -5
Post by mikkel on May 18, 2007 20:34:01 GMT -5
Look at the small pictures, the one to the far right is the bolt. If the text is not written by a marker, then the printing quality must be really low, because it's beginning to be wiped away (see the unclear signs in the middle of the text).
Gunnerairsoft doesn't write rumors and what not on his homepage, he's busy enough servicing his customers with the real products he got. But you can sometime catch him on MSN.
The rumors were started by a person who have been telling fake rumors many times before.
It's just tough luck, I wanted to see this gun being a reality as bad as anyone else. But it's nothing more than a hoax. Maybe sometime in the future, who knows.
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May 20, 2007 10:12:46 GMT -5
Post by valtteri on May 20, 2007 10:12:46 GMT -5
Wood wasn't the most used material with MG/42. I'm waiting to see ANY manufacturer to use real bakelite on an airsoft gun. I'm not fully familiar with bakelite (I'm 25 years old, bakelite has been obsolete for all my life) but I don't think it's a good material either with the thinness required by the battery and the motor.
I've got the SHOEI gas MG/42 too, and it has never worked properly. My friend's got the Stg/44, and guess what, it has never worked properly. SHOEI guns do not work out of the box, and I don't think SHOEI has never meant them to be reliable gaming weapons - it's not really an airsoft manufacturer at all, they make model guns - some of which cycle by external gas and may even occasionally give out a BB or two.
I've heard at least Gordak has actually managed to play with his guns. I've also heard a couple fellows who have failed to do so. Unfortunately I do not have the skill and knowledge to make these guns work, and it doesn't seem like there will be time for me to try and learn. Further, Finland is a small country that does not have experienced gas gun mechanics, so even money does not solve this problem.
I've owned the MGs for many years and have enough handling experience of the Stg to say that while SHOEI guns have awesome feel and finish, the guns are not made to withstand continued use as a playable airsoft gun.
The AEG MG/42 is made onto a SHOEI body. The only external SHOEI parts are the trigger assembly and the stock. The trigger assembly is full metal except of course the grip panels, which are your standard shining ABS plastic, like the stock too. If the plastic really is a problem, you can paint them. I think that an air tube running from the front of the trigger guard is much worse in terms of lack of realism, no matter how well you hide your external air setup.
Now apart from the bipod, the SHOEI MG/42 is externally very well built gun. Inside the AEG is ANGS designed gearbox, very similar to what PGC offers to the TOP M249. The feed is a bit like TOP M60, but powered by it's own no motor, not by a shaft running from the main motor. I thought this to be very suspicious system, but if kept clean, it actually works. When I bought my gun they did not yet make the drum magazine but I think the system is still the same, the drum mz just pours more BBs into the normal feeding cavity. Don't know, would like it if somebody cleared this out. The BBs go through a tube into under the barrel. The hop up unit is from a Marui AUG. Straight from the box the AEG MG/42 was crap, as the innards (leftover Marui parts from a custom shop, I take it) weren't too good or well put together. However, after going through a meticulous inner parts upgrade in a custom shop (excellent AEG mechanics can be found in Finland) the gun came out as my most reliable top performer - I've shot it A LOT and it's still goind strong. Power-wise it's got M120 spring, 509mm KM barrell and 9,6v nunchaku batteries that fit the stock. With a full battery the gun has bout the same rof as the realsteel, 1,13 joules of power and it seriously outranges normal AEGs.
I know that gas guns are mysterious and cool, and after being introduced to them, you should hate AEGs. However, having good experience of both, I completely understand the extinction of external gas guns. I'm sure that with the proper experience and skill, you can have much more out of the hobby with gas guns, but for a normal player, SHOEI guns are a big let-down.
The AEG MG/42 is a great product, and if you can afford the money to get it + put it into a working order, go ahead.
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May 21, 2007 9:44:36 GMT -5
Post by mikkel on May 21, 2007 9:44:36 GMT -5
Funny, my MP44 works flawlessly (except for one occasion where i disassembled it myself, and had no clue to how i should reassemble it correctly). The only "upgrade" i have done to it, was adding a small strip to secure the inlet hose, so it would accept higher pressures. The two other MP44s that were present at last years game, also worked flawlessly.
WHat i really love about the gaspowered guns, is that they are actually also fun to use when not in a game. You can have loads of fun just experiencing the recoil, and try and target practice with it.
Personally i think both the Shoei and ultima MG42 is bad. the body is made of aluminum, and is not useful for serious gaming. A friend of mine got the ultima mg42 and after very few games, the charging handle broke off, the body was slightly bent and the stock began to show stress fractures. Not impressive for a gun of that price. The MP44 body is of a much better construction.
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May 21, 2007 9:55:28 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on May 21, 2007 9:55:28 GMT -5
Mikkel and Vlateri,
Thanks for your input.
2nd Bat
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May 21, 2007 14:22:18 GMT -5
Post by valtteri on May 21, 2007 14:22:18 GMT -5
I forgot all about the charging handle. My charging handle broke off too, so after that I took them off from both of my guns. Also I've broken two bipods so far, both from the same place, on the part that holds the whole assembly together. SHOEI shouldn't use aluminum on parts as critical as this, but that's SHOEI for you. My remaining SHOEI bipod is for display use only.
What I'm dreaming of is a real steel MG bipod. I'm ready to pay for it, so if you have one or know a source, LET ME KNOW!
The receiver is fine on my guns, even though they have taken a lot of beating. As said, the receiver is the same on both guns. Ultima aegs are gutted SHOEI gas guns.
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May 21, 2007 15:16:08 GMT -5
Post by mikkel on May 21, 2007 15:16:08 GMT -5
It's very easy to get MG3 or M53 bipods (vittually identical to the late war variant), just go to www.ebay.de, there are often up for sale and not very expensive. RS charging handles are also a direct fit, and also cost very little. I guess the low quality on many airsoft guns, is caused by the "low" price. In germany there are a weapons shop that make new MP44s identical to the wartime specs. They cost twice that of an Shoei MP44.
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May 21, 2007 21:22:04 GMT -5
Post by Ersatzjack on May 21, 2007 21:22:04 GMT -5
Yes, thanks for the information. I'm on the waiting list for the next production run of MG42's from Shoei. You two (Mikkel and Valtteri) clearly know what you're talking about. Maybe Killbucket can make a MG42 next. Just leave space and design it so that it shoots faster than that 30-cal that has been such a hit on the forum. There are German players too you know. Actually, a MG34 would be even better since it could be used for more periods.
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