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Post by bluecrabofpain on May 10, 2007 21:05:18 GMT -5
Recently I have been thinking more and more about my plans on making a custom mosin-nagant, until i found out that japanese Arisakas go for $200 (mosins go for $150 in a store right by me). I was torn, Should I make a Mosin-Nagant or an Arisaka type-99? Well... Tanaka answered this problem for me. They're making an Arisaka Type-99, and according to this site it is fairly cheap (~$288). If they made a mosin-nagant, then i'd be torn again. But, alas, My family are not big fans of the soviet and Im Korean, which for costume purposes I'd probably look better as a Japanese soldier than a Russian soldier. The site URL is: www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=107536If they got something wrong, tell me. If anyone knows when this gun will be available internationally, tell me that too. I'd love to have this gun instead of the $1,200 KTW model, or risk losing $300 making one myself. EDIT: Looks like the gun is actually a little over $500, which is still craploads better than what KTW is offering. I'm still afraid about making my own.
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Post by cairo1 on May 19, 2007 11:09:34 GMT -5
at red wolf they have them over $600.
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on May 19, 2007 11:13:42 GMT -5
Still pretty good.
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Post by Russianboy on May 19, 2007 12:06:22 GMT -5
If you know the right places to find a KTW you can find them alot cheaper. But, I would rather have a Tanaka.
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Post by bluecrabofpain on May 20, 2007 0:08:40 GMT -5
If you know the right places to find a KTW you can find them alot cheaper. But, I would rather have a Tanaka. I have actually heard that Tanaka actually has higher PERFORMANCE guns, although nothing matches KTW in terms of beauty and craftsmanship.
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Post by valtteri on May 20, 2007 11:00:06 GMT -5
Well, the Tanaka Mauser is externally excellent, which propably means that the Arisaka will be too. I will be very surprised is any airsoft manufacturer does better. I haven't seen any KTWs in real life though, but still.
Tanaka has three problems: 1) Weak material (the metal is too soft) 2) Very unintelligent inner structure 3) It's gas powered.
With prolonged use, the soft metal parts start to wear. This means that the bolt starts to wobble and have friction. In my case you can't operate it like on real steel anymore, if you pull the bolt all the way back, it will come out, unless you're really careful, which you won't be in a (simulated) combat environment.
The weak structure and soft metal makes another problem. I'm talking about the sights and the outer barrel here. The outer barrel is held on the receiver by one hex screw. The outer barrel is aluminum. When will the airsoft manufacturers learn not to do this? This means that in time, the dent/hole for the screw starts to get bigger and the barrel starts to move. When things get really bad, the only thing holding the barrel in place is friction. This is not all of it, because the barrel is two-part. The part of the barrel that's visible in front of the gun, above the stock, is separate, and will come loose too. All this does not mean the gun becomes unusable, it just means that there are two points to come loose that affect the position of the front sight. In short: the front sight becomes irrelevant. I recall the rear sight was problematic too, but not the details - been a year since I last touched my Mauser. Only way to actually aim the gun is by the use of a scope. Even this is problematic: only period scope is offered by Tanaka. The Tanaka scope isn't too good and the mount is attached by screws, which will come loose. There are ways to put on a modern scope, but that's ever worse than a period scope. I say worse, because last thing the WW2 reenactment scene needs is people who claim to be snipers because they have a bolt action rifle.
The third point was gas. This means two things: lots of power and noticeable amount of variation of it. Gas guns are easy to make - gas gives you good power without mechanical stress. Gas parts are simple and small, making a reliable spring action onto a WW2 rifle bolt won't be easy. The problem is with the actual use. First, with rifle-length barrels, there is usually too much power: 450-550fps on a standard infantry type gun is too much. Second the power varies, depending on many things, most notably temperature changes, both of ambient temperature and the cooling of the gun when using it. Variation in power, especially on a hop-up gun, means significant decrease in accuracy. On the Tanaka M700 type guns there is a great deal of parts & knowledge to accurize the guns. With the Mauser all you've got is knowledge, and even that is quite sparse. Lastly, the problem of gas is that when it's nice and comfortable to wear woolen German uniforms, it will be too cold for reliable gas action.
High power combined with both technical and sight-resulted accuracy problems means you can only take the shots that will not have high success probabilities.
The situation is not as bad as some might take it from my text. The Tanaka Kar98K can be used in a game, especially with HFC134a. Some people with skills and time are probably able to fix the problems. Still, I think it's far from a performance gun. What I would like to see is a good springer Kar98K with 1-1,5J power, something that's good for STANDARD INFANTRY and works year-around.
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Post by bluecrabofpain on May 20, 2007 13:37:20 GMT -5
Do you think I'd be able to take a real steel arisaka and replace the broken/word out parts from the Tanaka with the parts from the real gun? Or better yet; Does Tanaka or Red Wolf offer a warranty?
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Post by TommyGunner on May 20, 2007 17:46:13 GMT -5
Making your own rifle would be very easy just take the plunge and go slowly, the results are very rewarding.
I have the oppertunity to buy an Arisaka at my surplus store for $100 (hes going out of buisness so he has a 20% price reduction on all items so that means its only $80!) I just may buy it an put in my TM Made VSR-10. Not too shure if I will though seeing as its a very nice gun with a perfect bore and all the markings are still on it, not too shure if all the numbers match though, I may buy it for display only.
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Post by bluecrabofpain on May 20, 2007 21:37:26 GMT -5
so if it does start to severly wear out, is there an actual way to fix it or are the ironsightes permanently ruined?
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Post by bluecrabofpain on May 20, 2007 21:45:05 GMT -5
so if it does start to severly wear out, is there an actual way to fix it or are the ironsightes permanently ruined?
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Post by bluecrabofpain on May 20, 2007 21:49:35 GMT -5
oh yeah, this may be a bit of a noob question, but what kind of gas does this gun take? can it take regular CO2 or does it need a special brand of gas?
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Post by valtteri on May 21, 2007 9:46:30 GMT -5
If might hold if you glue everything on when the gun is brand new. Then at the first sight of any wobble, you glue everything again. Superglue on the screws.
For the bolt, I do not know.
Tanaka guns take any liquid airsoft gas. If you have the skills, you can rig them to external gas. As with all airsoft guns, very small PSI is required. I recommend HFC134a, gives you some 1,5 joules of power, still pretty safe at small distances.
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Post by bluecrabofpain on May 22, 2007 20:21:40 GMT -5
Yes, I JUST ABOUT have my first job now (I just have to get working papers and then its a 99% yes the manager told me). First I'm going to get the AGM mp-40, a few spare mags and the voltage converter and with that I'm going to join an airsoft team (if my parents let me). my current and ONLY airsoft gun is a low-quality $20 springer mp40 made by Double Eagle. After the electric gun Ill save up for this arisaka, after maybe buying a few ps3 games and stuff like that.
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