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Post by panzer13 on May 1, 2007 3:16:30 GMT -5
Guys i came across this from another site and have already emailed them ..(keep your fingers crossed they write english) but i think we have a gbb 20 ppsh made from a real steel parts kit if any one reads russian ..please input please! www.black-wolf.ru/review/weapon/smg/ppsh.bwc
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Post by click on May 1, 2007 4:08:58 GMT -5
Babelfish..... ;D babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trJust put the weblink in the web page box, click the drop down box and click Russian to English. Then click translate. And presto a translated webpage! The article looks interesting, good find! Click
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Post by CharleyNovember on May 1, 2007 7:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by Jager.Drü on May 1, 2007 16:51:15 GMT -5
I would love a factory built PPsh. Ost Front here I come.
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Post by Sturmmann13 on May 1, 2007 17:11:08 GMT -5
you mean Est. Front? I'd be down with that, some commies to shoot at!
Plus the 9th was on the est. front for a bit... but as the II SS-Panzercorps
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Post by mauser98k on May 1, 2007 19:44:34 GMT -5
It's Ost front.
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Post by 2ndranger on May 1, 2007 20:47:57 GMT -5
We are german We say Ost...Amerikaners say Est...You arent an amerikaner are you?
Schutze
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Post by Sturmmann13 on May 1, 2007 20:52:49 GMT -5
no, I'm just a n00b to German WWII
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Post by bluecrabofpain on May 2, 2007 5:13:02 GMT -5
Since its Russian, the most expensive part of buying the gun may be shipping ;D
Not trying to badmouth Russia or anything, but due to those post Soviet economic troubles that airsoft gun is probably going to be very cheap in US/UK/DN currency.
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Post by Tough Ombre on May 2, 2007 10:20:46 GMT -5
there was that thread on here, where they guy made a PPsH our of styrene.. and it look AWSOME.... also looked very adaptable to an AEG gear box and motor. -Cary
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Post by panzer13 on May 2, 2007 12:32:08 GMT -5
yeah i thats whats i wonder..
Russia ,lets just say isnt the best off ,with her economy ..
1 , would the money exchange be for our favor or theirs>?
2. would a rather real steel looking ppsh even get out of their customs and make it through ours..
whacha think
p.s and Sturmmann ..you being Axis , "Amis" is another word that was and still used for American GI's.for your axis vocab . just my .02 cents
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Post by Gordak on May 2, 2007 13:08:27 GMT -5
the other concern is the live receiver, alot of jail time invloved in that.
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Post by panzer13 on May 4, 2007 1:27:49 GMT -5
Gordak ..its a live receiver??? yeah that could be trouble anyways I emailed them , and this is the response but ,i figured id share.. Greeting from Russia! We are not selling GBB PPSh now because we are still working on this model. This is also why we don’t know how much it will cost when ready. This one has already cost us about $1500 and this is not the end. But of course commercial ones will be cheaper. The video you requested is available here: www.black-wolf.ru/review/weapon/smg/ppsh/pph.wmvWe don’t have a retailer in the USA yet. For the present moment we operate in Russia. Best regards
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Post by bluecrabofpain on May 4, 2007 20:54:52 GMT -5
This one has already cost us about $1500 and this is not the end. But of course commercial ones will be cheaper. Oh wow, $1500!? Was that in Rubles or did you convert that already for us? because that is REALLY expensive. For that money I could buy the airsoft Arisaka
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Post by panzer13 on May 7, 2007 1:22:21 GMT -5
no i think that is in US dollars ;D
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Post by alyoshasmerdyakov on May 29, 2007 22:54:10 GMT -5
Salut tavarischii! Forgive me, I am new to this strange hybrid sport of airsoft-reenactment. I mainly do straight-laced WWII RKKA reenactments, but a while ago I bought a Mauri AK47 and found airsoft to be amusing. Unfortunately I also dropped alot of cash on that damned Hudson Tokarev GBB, but that's another story . But I thought I'd tell ya'll some good news, seeing how I just now stumbled across your forum www.trapperindustries.com is a UK company that makes customizes original rifles for all sorts of different purposes, and one of their specialties happens to be airsoft. I recently contacted them to commission both a blank-only PPSh, and an AEG version. The blank-only is a no-go, until the UK's blank laws are revised, but here is what they said about the AEG: "However we have now completed the development of the stirling / sten in airsoft and so the PPSH is now on the experimental stage. We should have these ready for retail in around 8 weeks. they will be full size and all metal/wood as original. Both 41 and 43 will be available" Added bonus; they'll convert your MN 91/30 or DP-28 to airsoft as well. Well, that's all I have to say...I have to go contemplate the fact that there are now WW2 airsoft reenactors...how very strange ;D
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Post by ncthorn on May 30, 2007 22:43:32 GMT -5
Seeing original M-Ns no matter how common they are deactivated or converted to Airsoft makes me very sad as it destroys a piece of history imo. Although the conversions I must say look very cool I just wish they didnt destroy a real rifle. Deactivated rifle really get to me as they no longer fire anything whereas at least an Airsoft conversion fires BBs. Now that I have become interested in real WWII gun collecting, I really regret doing the Vz.24 conversion that I did a few months ago. Good luck with the PPSh's though!
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Post by valtteri on May 31, 2007 5:15:55 GMT -5
Oh come on. There are propably tens of millions of Mosin-Nagants, and I guarantee you, everyone who wants a shooting rifle, will have one. There are already enough shooting samples in private hands for the history part to go on for couple hundred years, and even after that every museum that wants one will have one. Same thing goes for PPShs, Kar98Ks + their copies etc etc.
If you go on that line, you should shun all who drive them 15+ years old cars - that's surely taking out their historical value. Having been in the unlucky situation of owning a couple, I can sure tell you that I didn't try to match any authenticity while welding them back together, and in the end, every one of them ended up in a scrapyard. I might add that each model of the cars I owned, no matter how common, had been produced in less numbers than the Mosin-Nagant rifle.
The alternative to deactivating these guns is selling them for scrap metal, which we probably all agree is even worse alternative.
I can understand this attitude with something really rare, like an FG or Stg or such, but even if all mosing nagants that are not in private hands would perish, it wouldn't make much a change.
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Post by Gordak on May 31, 2007 8:59:57 GMT -5
lol, Yeah There is a sh!tload of Nagants. No shame in converting a 60 dollar rifle into airsoft, It actually increases the value of the gun!
-Gordak
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Post by ncthorn on May 31, 2007 16:11:15 GMT -5
Actually decent K98s are starting to disappear and within the next few years I would look for their value to increase greatly. I understand converting cheap Nagants and such as they are not in near the short supply that other guns are. The only problem I see is that if someone were to do a massive number of these types of relics as some sort of business venture, the price increase as a result of lower supplies would make it impossible for those of us who want to buy them for historical/RS shooting reason to afford them. I am by no means saying that everyone should stop making airsoft conversions, I just encourage people to stick to the very common/cheap weapons so as not to have an adverse affect on supplies and pricing. And please be sure to do reasearch on the individual rifle and its markings before the conversion as I would be deeply saddened to see a rare variation of a rifle (think SS contract K98s or certain Nagants for example) modified in any way.
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Post by alyoshasmerdyakov on Jun 1, 2007 1:33:26 GMT -5
Hey, I'm a Mosin Nagant collector. I've heard both sides of the argument several times, and I can sympathize with both sides. But one thing NO Mosin Nagant collector can stand or tolerate, is when people call the M 91 or any variant of that rifle a Nagant! This is W-R-O-N-G. The Nagant in a pistol. The rifle designed by Sergei Mosin is referred to as either a Mosin or a Mosin-Nagant. ::Rant off:: Collecter lesson for the day ;D
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Post by ncthorn on Jun 1, 2007 13:45:18 GMT -5
Please excuse me for calling the Mosin Nagant a Nagant, I actually do know a few local collectors who refer to them as Nagants so I have gotten into a bad habit of calling them that by mistake/laziness occasionally.
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