This is by far one of the gratest movies, and Saving Private Ryan ranks among the lowest, along with Thin Red Line. I loved the part where the Pilipino Guerillas sprayed that Jap Guard and made him turn to meat chunks. Genious.
As a descendant of a Filipino guerilla fighter, I've done a lot of research on this raid. By far, this is the WORST portrayal of the events that happened that evening. The setting was nothing like the true to life events. As a Filipino, I can tell that the location was filmed in Hawaii. Likewise the outlay of the Canabatuan was totally inaccurate. There was no tanks as well. Also, I especially did not appreciate the Hollywood portrayal of LT. Col Mucci. To make actor James Franco (Capt. Prince) more likeable/more lead role, Mucci was portrayed as a leader with very little regard for the guerilla fighters (the scenes in which he makes several sarcastic remarks to Juan Pajota.) On the same note, the battle at the bridge where the Japanese attempted to flank the Filipino line, and were relatively successful, downing several Filipinos, until Col Mucci came and saved the day, never happened. Juan Pajota's men staved off all the assaults including the failed flanking maneuver. Even at the end of the movie when showing the "exact figures" casualties, the Filipinos did not suffer one cassualty during the entire raid. The holding of the bridge was a complete success with Filipino injuries ranging from slight burns from the use of the 30 cal machine guns and scratches. Likewise, the two soldiers KIA during the raid were due to the mortar fire of one Japanese individual (fatally wounding Capt. Fisher), the other was killed by his own men on accident. Also, the love story is totally fabricated and takes away from the reality and gravity of the events. Overall it was quite horrible: a horrible portrayal of the Americans, a horrible portrayal of the Filipinos, and a horrible portrayal of all other aspects concerning the event. I would recommend reading "Ghost Soldiers" instead of watching such a pitiful waste of money.
Eh, well i thought it was great. Also, I can imagine why it was filmed in Hawai'i and not the Philipines, purely because of the amount of conflict that currently resides in that country. Again, it's a movie, and Hollywood always does crap to piss us off. I wouldn't blame any of this on Dale Dye, the dude who trained all of the cast, as he was a great asset. Would it not be the best portrayal, being the only major motion picture to portray the Guerillas, and furthermore, portray the raid?
A few words: Never expect both an accurate and good movie from Hollywood.
while i do recognize that this is the ONLY portrayal, I'll still have to say that it was a pretty bad one. But I've seen other movies like (correct me if I'm wrong) John Wayne's Bataan that have made excellent portrayals of the valor of the participants of the war.
P.S. It was filmed mostly in Australia. (I'm a film nut)
When I went to the theatres, I recall seeing another Filipino family who gave a standing ovation during the credits. In my mind I was thinking, "what are you doing? This is blasphemy to even the Japanese!" But what can I say? Most of us aren't educated in the Pacific Campaigns, especially the events relating to Bataan and Canabatuan. Again, I recommend "Ghost Soldiers" and, if you can find it, "Bataan, Our Last Ditch." to get a nitty gritty look at these overlooked events.
Ghost Soldiers is an excellent book and the best resource for historical accuracy on the actual raid. The true facts are remarkable enough and should be sufficient to support a story that would be compelling and worth watching even for non history buffs. It's like watching We Were Soldiers Once after reading the book and being impressed with the movie up until the final scene which was a total fabrication and completely hokey and uneccessary.
What was well done in "The Great raid" is they tried to depict authentic raid tactics and emphasize the logistical issues and manuever challenges with such an undertaking and did a good job in that respect.
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Well, you know do that England occupied russia at the time right?
the great raid was technically about the underdogs, about 5000 to 200 marines+some Filipino soldiers. But I agree that we need one on some french resistance or poles, because they did more than we think. The french destroyed something like 200 german trains by themselves!
Post by rbx6jm7man on Mar 11, 2006 21:18:20 GMT -5
mauser98k, they weren't "technically" marines. they were US Army Rangers, and if memory serves me right, they were less than 100 of them. Also, there were NO Filipino soldiers, they were all guerillas with no training, most of whom were local villagers armed with bolos.
Post by magic8ball on Mar 13, 2006 11:13:59 GMT -5
I haven't seen the Great Raid yet. So far the only Hollywood depiction I've seen of it is from the movie "Back to Bataan" starring John Wayne. The movie was filmed in the Philippines shortly after the end of the war in 1945 and they even had some of the Cabanatuan survivors make appearances.
Anyone realise that gordak just said "owned" hehe.
I saw great raid and I must agree that it is a great movie, I especially like the thompsons!
I think another movie you should see would be.... I think it is "bataan" and "back to bataan" they were made before ww2 was even done with and so are extremely racist towards japanese dudes.
-Great movie about Czech pilots with the RAF.- my moms a czech.
On the note about accuracy and how bad of a portrayal this was, I agree totally, I went wanting to see a good portrayal of philipinos because I have many friends from there. Instead, I thought hollywood was almost racist towards them. However, it is hollywood, you can't expect anything accurate.
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Post by magic8ball on Mar 13, 2006 21:04:08 GMT -5
Actually "Bataan" was filmed in a sound stage in Hollywood in 1942, while "Back to Bataan" was filmed on location in the Philippines in 1945, just after VJ day. "Bataan" was the first movie to actually delve into the bloody realism of war and really shocked audiences when it was first shown. You could say it was the "Saving Private Ryan" of it's time. But both movies portrayed the Japanese as evil, bloodthirsty savages, no doubt to stir up patriotism back home. Curiously enough, Filipinos living in the United States at the time were not allowed to join the US Army, but Filipinos living in the Philippines were.
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