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Post by airsoftaddict on Nov 28, 2007 22:40:03 GMT -5
well the title says everything
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Post by Adler69 on Nov 28, 2007 22:48:43 GMT -5
Most of it is , all but the black boots the Airborne guys are wearing.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Nov 28, 2007 23:17:50 GMT -5
its definitely as not "Flaggrantly Wrong" as a lot of the other WWII movies but it does have its slight innacuracys. Just a word of advice, Never use a movie as a primary source for research, its often right but you just shouldnt base an impression on it.
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Post by chadwick on Dec 3, 2007 21:32:39 GMT -5
lots of the equipment is right, but there are some big mistakes
-alot of the beach obstacles are actualy placed backwards
in the bell tower scene we can watch Jackson take 7 shots with a springfield with out reloading- a springfield only holds 5 rounds
-just at the close of the beach scene we watch a soldier fire a rifle grenade from the shoulder. I have heard this is a good way to break your collarbone, but in the documentary the war by burns we watch a soldier do it, so maybe it was done? (could someone clear this up for me)
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Dec 3, 2007 22:01:57 GMT -5
yep the springfield scene always bugged me (not NEARLY as bad as the .45 in windtalkers, but i'm not even gonna touch that movie's innacuracy's).
Firing a rifle grenade from the shoulder was done, but from what i've heard it was done rarely. A lot of guys were not formally trained with using rifle grenades, so some fired them from the shoulder initially, but then quickly learned not to do it again. I've heard a story about one going off INSIDE a building used as a one-night barraks, because the soldier using it wasn't trained properly.
Something to keep in mind is that with most movies, the overall quality surpasses or is close to some reenactments (anybody ever been to a reenactment as realistic as the opening scene of spr?). But when you get down to the brass tacks of individual impressions, the accuracy becomes less reliable. I repeat what I said about not using a movie as the basis for your impression.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Dec 4, 2007 7:35:29 GMT -5
yeah there are good and bad things in SPR. Some of the other stuff wasnt accurate either.....
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Post by Tough Ombre on Dec 4, 2007 16:13:55 GMT -5
Well, with the rifle grenade, there are a few things you have to remember. First. The reason your shoulder would get busted from the recoil is due to the weight of the projectile. So know that and that there were a couple of different types of Rifle Grenades used so, it would probably depend on what type of rifle grenade you were using the amount of recoil force. So Depending on which one you were using im sure there were different ways to launch each type if you know what i mean. -Cary
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Post by azeeze on Dec 4, 2007 16:37:03 GMT -5
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Dec 4, 2007 16:43:59 GMT -5
Is it just me, or does that picture ALWAYS come up when talking about rifle grenades?
It really is plausable to shoot a rifle grenade any which way you please, its just a matter of how effective and safe it is. I don't think guys who shot them under their arm, against their shoulder, or any other way did it for long. A full time career of shooting for a living does enough damage on your arm/shoulder as is.
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Post by p51 on Dec 4, 2007 21:27:22 GMT -5
Most of it is , all but the black boots the Airborne guys are wearing. I know one of the props guys on the movie, and he swears they didn't use black boots at all, and that the aging process and them being wet made them look black. Considering how many jump boots they bought for the production and the fact that the "surplused" stuff that went to vendors included NO black boots, to me, strongly supports this. But I think all in all, this was one of the best WW2 movies ever made for uniforms, equipment and vehicles. You can't make a movie without some kind of error, though. There will always be the "ten shot six shooter," error in some movies. A lot of radio procedures were post WW2 and I'm shocked how few people notice the sniper rifle's crosshairs are NOWHERE near where the bullet hit in many of those shots. But all in all, it's up there as one of the best made WW2 movies so far. Oh, you can shoot a rifle grenade as intended, from the shoulder with a grenade blank. I've done it several times with weighted rounds...
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Post by azeeze on Dec 4, 2007 22:42:49 GMT -5
If you use cordovan on your boots sometimes it gives it a dark color. My grandpa's boots the 1951 boots which look very similair to the Jump boots, look almost black when he showed them to me, they've been sitting in his closed for 50 years, but i dont think they made the boots black, he said they used cordovan polish on the boots. -Nick
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Post by indie on Dec 14, 2007 21:20:39 GMT -5
why can't they just get us guys for movies like that? i mean, we all try to put together the most accurate uniforms, so it would be very authentic. just totally forget about going on set and getting a already made uniform, just bring your own. sounds like a good idea to me.....
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 14, 2007 23:32:47 GMT -5
What about all the uniforms and stuff, do they sell alot of it?
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Dec 15, 2007 0:21:26 GMT -5
why can't they just get us guys for movies like that? i mean, we all try to put together the most accurate uniforms, so it would be very authentic. just totally forget about going on set and getting a already made uniform, just bring your own. sounds like a good idea to me..... It's a pretty sound idea in concept. But the thing to remember is that it would probably be MORE work for a studio to use reenactors instead of supplying some uniforms and equiptment to actors. If a movie studio just supply's their own crew, they don't have to worry about people wearing incorrect and/or "Flaggrantly Wrong" impressions, as whole as all other kinds of issues. Also, the typical american (or foreign) reenactor definitely does not look like the typical actor or WWII vet. So if a near perfect set of reenactors showed up with movie experience, correct impressions, and were in "hollywood" shape it would work. But I doubt that day is coming anytime soon. There is 1 movie that I know of that used reenactors in a sizeable role. The movie Saints and Soldiors (an independent film) did a great job with it. I believe they were primarily in the first scene of the movie.
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Post by KRaddatz on Dec 15, 2007 16:14:19 GMT -5
I always wondered this, would the army let you be sniper if you were left handed. Jackson was left handed and had some hard times working the bolt.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Dec 16, 2007 10:07:41 GMT -5
why can't they just get us guys for movies like that? i mean, we all try to put together the most accurate uniforms, so it would be very authentic. just totally forget about going on set and getting a already made uniform, just bring your own. sounds like a good idea to me..... they would paint your uniform to make it look dirty and worn. Looks great on film, but is very obvious and crappy looking in person. It's a permanent destruction of the your gear......
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Post by schmitty on Dec 26, 2007 18:33:21 GMT -5
Couple things wrong with SPR I noticed:
The Tiger tank, realy a T-34 just looks wrong, But this isn't realy a goof.
In the scene at the end where two men are manning an M1919 in a bombed out building one shouts "I'm out" indicating he is out of ammo, it even shows the last few rounds going into the gun, It immediately cuts to a shot of him picking up the MG and turning around and there is a belt full of ammo hanging from it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 26, 2007 19:28:21 GMT -5
When a rifle grenade is fired a special blank round is what powers it. This round has far more powder in it then a regular round or blank. It is the same cartridge whether you're shooting a frag grenade, (either type) anti tank or illumination round.
You can absolutley shoot them from the shoulder and this is even shown in a 1942 training film when used as an anti tank round. (Troops hide in a fox hole. Tank tolls over them and they pop up and shoot it in the rear after it passes.) Obviously under those circumstances a ground angled shot isn't going to work against a moving tank very well any more then a mortar is likely to be very accurate against a moving target.
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Post by biged on Dec 27, 2007 6:43:12 GMT -5
Just an FYI madbull makes a rifle grenade. No, it's not good, it sucks. Special flash hider needs to be attached to the barrel (M4). Then you slip on the specially made grenade.
I made my own prototype attachment that fits onto/into a barrel that discharges a grenade but then you end up with a jammed bb in the barrel. Another shot may clear it, then again, may not. I gave up on it last summer. I think a custom foam nerf with a CO2 cartridge that gets punctured would be more fun.
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Post by Gordak on Jan 3, 2008 13:31:38 GMT -5
My biggest problem with SPR was the German haircuts, that was Guy on a short bused, almost ruined it -Gordak
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 3, 2008 21:44:44 GMT -5
There are whole threads on web sites talking about continuity errors in movies and quite a bit on SPR. Inspite of the critism it was one of the best, common release, movies available when it comes to uniforms and equipment. One really pronounced continuity issues for me was when they shot the fellow at the top of the stairs through the wall and the blood freely flowed indicating at least one guy dead at the head of the stairs. Later as Opphem is half way up the stairs and the former captive German passes him there are no bodies at the landing. Hmmmm? I saw the movie in the Theater three times. Once with my Father, later with my wife and later with my son. Each time was a unique and interesting experience. It was a great movie with lots of symbolism. My father pointed out that Opphem cowering on the stairs, too frightened to come up to help was the intellectual isolationist America failing to come to the aid of the European Jew who had a knife at their throat and while he later snapped out of it and found the neccessary violence inside himself to cope with the horror of the Nazi aggressor it was almost too late. For me the movie was simply about survivors guilt and the sense that others, better then you, for whatever reason didn't survive. Every veteran of war or a horrible accident confronts that feeling and struggles to shake it. Powerful movie and not worth wasting much energy picking apart. Alas it is our nature.
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Post by magic8ball on Jan 4, 2008 9:54:05 GMT -5
Later as Opphem is half way up the stairs and the former captive German passes him That wasn't him, that was a different guy.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Jan 4, 2008 11:24:46 GMT -5
the former captive german and the german who killed mellish were different guys...
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Post by Rock of the Marne on Jan 4, 2008 11:29:42 GMT -5
yeah they looked the same
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Jan 4, 2008 14:51:33 GMT -5
I never got that till several years later (stupid similar haircut...).
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Post by Seff on Mar 9, 2008 19:45:05 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 9, 2008 22:49:11 GMT -5
It is however Steamboat Willie who kills Capt Miller yes? Obviously I'll have to watch the movie again. What explanation do you have for this SS soldier not killing Oppham on the stairs? I still suggest that the lack of bodies or blood up at the landing is a major continuity mistake
Compared to the movies I grew up with the uniform and equipment errors are minimal. Great movie.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Mar 9, 2008 23:19:24 GMT -5
yep our friend steamboat willie shoots the applesauce out of Tom Hanks then Upham grows a pai,r FINALLY! I usually have to cut off SPR about the staircase scene.......
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Mar 9, 2008 23:23:38 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the beach scene is of only the first wave of rangers. That may explain the bodies (or more appropiately lack there of) since it's supposed to be a scene of only the first few minutes of the seaborne invasion. The entire beach scene was in my opinion probably the best portrayed battle/firefight I've seen hollywood put out. Regardless of our extremely anal opinions on it, SPR was not meant to be a movie about equiptment, special effects, or haircuts. It has a strong message about survivors guilt (something many of the veterans I've had the honor of interviewing admitted to) and is a movie definitely cut from a fine cloth.
I try not to get too hung up on characters like Uppham, in certain cases cowardness defines war just as much as bravery. I think it was a wise move for them to include a character such as himself, not everyone who faught in WWII was gun ho and roarin' to go. A good movie normally involves a full range of ups and downs, of which Uppham provides.
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Post by Seff on Mar 10, 2008 17:06:06 GMT -5
It is however Steamboat Willie who kills Capt Miller yes? Obviously I'll have to watch the movie again. What explanation do you have for this SS soldier not killing Oppham on the stairs? I still suggest that the lack of bodies or blood up at the landing is a major continuity mistake Compared to the movies I grew up with the uniform and equipment errors are minimal. Great movie. The SS not killing Upham might be a simple feeling of not wanting to kill anybody else - and since Upham doesn't pose a threat, why should he? I agree on the continuity mistake, though I didn't notice it on the first 10 run-throughs, so the Scene definitely serves well
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