MG-34 AEG

[2nd bat]

I diasgree that it's a lost cause and I think in the NW you'll see (and are already seeing) a movement in that direction (low caps except SAWs) with a growing faction of our airsoft community. I've been pushing hard for it for about 6 years now and it's finally starting to happen. Clearly for WW2 airsoft to work from a skirmish and authentic, tactics perspective, limted mag capacity is essential (especially for the Kar 98 folks and even the long rifle folks.)

It's coming Schmitty it's coming! Don't let the Evergreen paintsoft mindset corrupt you!

[gunfreak]

we had a "nam" airsoft event once. is say NAM lousily because almost non of us had nam era weapons. except some with ak's and m16VN and a1's some thompson's. but the rest of us had modern M16's and colt commando(kinda looks like the old XM carbine)

BUT, all the ak's thompson's was only allowed to put 30 rounds in there low caps, the m16 only 20, man that was fun, people where used to 50-70 rounds, so allot of people stormed up and got empty real fast, that was fun.

[AADan]

Our group toyed with the idea of limited ammo. Someone brought up some valid arguments on why not to use that and instead use the Average soldier-semi only/MG-auto rules. This means 9/10 players can only fire semi auto 1 guy is a full auto. These guns are not as accurate as the real thing you may expend 10 bb's to get one hit where as with the real thing if you are a good marksman it is 1 for one/3 for 1 shot to hit ratio. With the semi only rule it still handicaps your average non MG soldier and gives the MG the advantage of fire he might enjoy in the real world albeit in a slightly different way. We used these rules with Operation Opposing Eagles last year and they seemed to work well. The German commander went off the reservation for real WW2 geramn tactics. Instead of his line soldiers hearding the enemy into the MG like I think was the basic tactics of WW2 Germans he grouped his 3-4 MG'ers together and sent them in to lay waste. Was a little different but I gotta give him credit for thinking outside the box. It worked for the Germans they won last year.


We may still try the limited ammo thing out. I don't have a problem with that I tend to use the Kar with 2 x 20 round mags and then a reloader of 100 more rounds.

[2nd Bat]

The consistent thing I hear from groups who step up and employ agreed upon limitations (Whatever they might be) is that the groups end up having the best day of airsoft they've ever had. It makes sense if you think about it. Limited ammo and the requirement to reload regualrly requires that you consider each shot. This in turns requires increased team work and communication, more opportunities for manuever. (One guy can't hold off an army with his puny MP5 with box mag!) and of course the final argument is it's more authentic.

Granted airsoft weapons don't have the penetration power through bushes (Thank God!) and certainly don't have the range so I have no problem with even a 3 to one load capacity for weapons. (I prefer 2 to one) i.e. 40 rounds where there would have been 20, 60 rounds where there would have been 30 etc. Much beyond that and the loss of realism goes down too much. Bolt actions could be give a higher percentage to offset their limitations and in my opinion should be allowed higher FPS capacity (as should any rifle cartidge type gun.)

Even MGs had to change barrels or cool down regularly. This afforded manuever opportunities. I know there is the added expense of buying extra low cap magazines but you only need about three spare and a speed loader to depict what we're going for here. Low caps are much easier on the guns also and don't rattle.

There's my .2! No doubt at some point standards will be established for reeanactment airsoft.

[mikkel]

The milsim games we play here in denmark got the following rules for guns:

SMGs: 100 m/s, only standard magazines
Rifles: 120 m/s, only standard magazines
Machine guns: 140 m/s, hicaps are allowed but only 1000 rounds
SA snipers: 170 m/s, standard magazines only, and preferably extra low caps
BA snipers: 210 m/s

The standard magazines are determined by the standard magazine delivered by marui:
Colt 68 rounds, AK 70 rounds, G36 50 rounds

Its not exactly fair when it comes to magazine capacity. But we are still debating abou the magazine rules. Just recently, the machine guns were limited from 2500+ rounds to the current 1000 rounds, and we are debating about even lower.

The rules works very well, and gives us extremely dynamic and interesting firefights. With the focus on movement and tactics.


mabye some mod, should put this magazine posts in a seperate thread. The MG34 info is VERY good for itself

[gunfreak]

Norway only have about 1000 active organized player(Denmark and Sweden have alt more.)

and like 85-90% of the organized player are members of NAA(Norwegian airsoft association) and all members have to fallow Magazine Cap rules and FPS rules.

only mg's can have hicaps(a m4 with a box mag is not an mg)
you can have as many lowcaps as you can carry, but lose ammo can only be stored at base camp.

fps rules.
any weapon thats going to be used inside or in MOUT can't have more then 300fps.
in open terrain, autos can only have maximum of 350fps
Semi auto's 450 fps with safety distance of 15Meter
Bolt action rifles can have 550fps with a safety distance of 30Meter
this is not only because of safety be this makes it possible of having DM with semi auto weapon. and true snipers with bolt action.

if everybody is running around with 500fps there is no point in having a bolt action when you got a guy running at you with a m4 on full auto..

[mikkel]

Mabye thats the reason as to why you have so few active players

I DO love the milsim aspect of it all, but i also like to run wild one in a while, and spray and pray with hicaps and big batteries

The only rule that we have agreed overall in denmark is that full auto rifles may only be tuned upto 120 m/s with a margin of error of 9,99m/s.
The reason to this rule, is a certain team with some very skilled mechanics. When there were no limits on max power output, thay ran around with M190 springs in their M4's...

A danish speciality is also a full stock MC51 with M120, 12V, and special built hicaps (hicaps with small boxes welded ton the side, to they can take more bbs)

[gunfreak]

the reason for the lack of players is that airsoft was illegal until 2001, so Norway is over 10 years after Denmark and Sweden when it comes to recruiting.

and the type of "speedball" that allot of you danish guy do, is basically paintball games with airsoft weapons.. so those in Norway that want that type of game just keeps playing paintball..

[mikkel]

You also got the geography against you. Kinda hard to organize bigger games, when there are great distances between the players.

I think its fun to play speedball once in a while. But i guess you have to have tried it to fully appreciate it
Its nice to be able to do something quite different, without having to have to invest in two completely different sports.

[gunfreak]

that's true, but sadly most people that play one type doesn't play the other.

when it comes to organize big games we do have several "big" games (50-10 players) in the Summer months, and the luckily for me, most games are held only 1-2 hour's way, but the unlucky guys in the north and was, do spend like 6-10 hour's in the car got to the games. we have also joined milsim games in both Sweden and Denmark..

[CharleyNovember]

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[Capt. Zak]

allamericandan said:

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[Village]

Fantastic job schmitty!

I'm currently in the early stages of an MG-42 build (really a Yugo M53 replica). You mentioned that the same motor-in-grip configuration could apply to the MG-42, however I noticed my my kit that the grip plates do not extend to the top of the pistol grip, unlike those on the MG-34. Also, the grip is quite narrow - are the grips on the two guns really that close dimensionally?

It's too bad the M249 mechbox will not fit or line up in the '42. Do you think if I relocated the motor mount of the version 3 mechbox to parallel the piston as with your Sten conversion, that the joint will hold up with an M120 spring? I'm half-tempted to locate a simple BV gas system as those internals consist of a series of low profile valves.

I'm really interested to hear your thoughts!

[Village]

Ok, I'm a dummy. I did not account for the fact that the top 1/2in of the grip frame extends into the receiver bottom! I've just purchased a complete G36 version 3 mechbox and will try my hand at this.

[mauser98k]

Hoorah hoorah! Necro mania! Horrah hoorah!

[Village]

Hmm.. since I'm not interested in the MP-40, what else is there to comment on?

[CharleyNovember]

You might be interested to see if the AGM MP40 mechbox might fit in your 42 though?

[Village]

Thanks Dan, I have considered that mechbox, but I don't know its exact dimensions. Could anyone with said mechbox provide measurements of the length, width, height, and height of the center axis of the nozzle in relation to the bottom of the 'box? Thanks!

[CharleyNovember]

Quick and dirty measurements:
68mm Tall
25.58mm Width at the cylinder 18.22mm Width at bottom of mechbox.
52.30mm from bottom of mechbox to the middle of the nozzle
Roughly length from front of mechbox to back excluding length of nozzle is around 264mm Length

[DeB]

WONDERFUL.full stop.

Great Job, I would like to live in USA to convert real steel guns in airsoft... but here... you can't...

I was starting to build a G43 but the AGM MP40 have made me think, so the G43 will wait...