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Post by Ersatzjack on May 3, 2007 15:58:16 GMT -5
To answer the questions, No - I still see fine. The eye patch really adds to the SS haircut. I'm kidding of course. Eye drops and a couple of nights of sleep and I'll be 100%.
The bolt handle is the original off the real rifle and was cut off at the handle's end. I don't think it will last to be honest. I ordered an upgraded bolt handle from Laylax and I hope the metal is made of sterner material than the stock USR-11 bolt handle. If so, I'll be able to adapt the real bolt handle to the end of it for that real look. Again, the APS2 has aftermarket bolt handles that look real close to the original 98K bolt handles so that's another point in their favor.
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Post by ersatzjack2 on May 3, 2007 16:48:12 GMT -5
Thanks for building me a custom, bro - I know everybody talks about the feeling of accomplishment when doing these projects but there is also a feeling of gratitude when you have a brother that builds these kinds of weapons for you. Yes.. I'm very appreciative - Perhaps when you complete your other rifle conversions you can start on my G43?  After all, a custom K98 can only satisfy my ravenous appetite for so long. Must have more. |
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Post by jaeger on May 3, 2007 18:43:10 GMT -5
Looks great!!! I am looking forward to a step by step guide if you get the time. Thanks again!
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Post by odinfish on Jun 30, 2007 10:07:17 GMT -5
Thanks for building me a custom, bro - I know everybody talks about the feeling of accomplishment when doing these projects but there is also a feeling of gratitude when you have a brother that builds these kinds of weapons for you. Yes.. I'm very appreciative - Perhaps when you complete your other rifle conversions you can start on my G43? After all, a custom K98 can only satisfy my ravenous appetite for so long. Must have more. Did someone say G43? ...drool...drool...must...need...  Mike |
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Post by ukkolzi on Aug 1, 2007 17:22:28 GMT -5
Ok, not quite any VSR-copy -> Kar98k, but made from an APS2 SV (accept no substitutes!) and a broken Marushin 98k.  img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mausiredigp7.jpgI think it turned out very nice. After two veeery long days, the gun was basically ready, only the stock needed some treatment with the colour & coating. The stock is not quite as red in real life as it would seem in the picture. The next project will be the bolt handle. |
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Post by odinfish on Aug 1, 2007 17:30:34 GMT -5
Looks good. Keep us posted. Have you test fired it yet?
Mike
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Post by ukkolzi on Aug 1, 2007 17:58:11 GMT -5
Thanks. I did some test firing with the stock spring installed, and it shot OK. Tomorrow I'll test it with a 150% spring which I intend to use with it. My other WW2 rifle, The Finnish M39 (also APS2 used as a base), shoots like a dream with 150% spring, stock hop-up and 1st target .35g bb's, so I expect a lot from this one, too! The moment I saw Ersatzjack's 98k, I just HAD to make one of my own!  |
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Post by Ersatzjack on Aug 1, 2007 18:49:26 GMT -5
Fun hey? I think you found a good use for your Marushin. Springer's ruuule!!! Ha-ha. Let's see some more pics when you're done. Makes me want to carve up my Tanaka as well. |
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Post by odinfish on Aug 1, 2007 21:40:01 GMT -5
Are APS2s springers as well? I'm not familiar with this type. Overall, which is the best and runner-up airsoft rifles to use as the base?
Mike
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Post by ukkolzi on Aug 2, 2007 12:46:29 GMT -5
I'll post some pics when the bolt handle is finished, if I get that far! Yeah, I think Valtteri suddenly wants his applesauce ty Marushin 98k back now, even though the deal is done. x) Odinfish: The APS2-series are probably the oldest airsoft springer bolt-action rifles that are still used quite widely, even though VSR-10 and it's copies now flood the market. They are very reliable and maintenance and field stripping is easy. The stock hop-up is adjusted to .3g bb's, so you'll have to use heavier bb's with tune-up springs. Why do I intend to keep the stock hop-up and barrel? Well, it's very accurate and no need to change the barrel, it's already some 6,05mm in diameter. I tested some adjustable hop-ups and such, but none of them worked consistently. In Finland, there's also one requirement more: the gun has to work in low temperatures. I once played with an APS2 SV in about -20C temperature for about 4-6 hours with no problems whatsoever. Tells something of the gun, huh? The APS2 is a good base for a custom gun, especially concerning the magazine fitting. The magwell is connected directly to the barrel, so the only thing you need to do is make a hole for it in the new stock. The magazine will stick out a bit with the 98k stock, but it's nothing serious. Though I have to admit, VSR-10 looks better on the receiver area. The APS2 stock bolt handle looks horrible, so I changed it to an aftermarket part. I intend to install the Marushin 98k handle in it's place. It should be durable enough, because there's a steel rod going through the aftermarket handle, and the 98k handle will be installed in a way that the rod slides inside it. Hmm, hope you get the point. Today I tested it with the 150% spring and .35g 1st target bb's. It exceeded my expectations about accuracy. There's still an occasional bb that flies some 1-3m to either side of the target, but most hit spot on! I wish they would make GOOD .35-.43g bb's. But these are still better than the Straight bb's that didn't fly straight. Maximum range is about 60-70m. Which is nice. |
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Post by odinfish on Aug 3, 2007 17:33:41 GMT -5
Thanks for that bit of info...I think I'm going to stick with the VSR-10. Another question, since barrel diameter was mentioned, would a VSR-10's barrel be comparable in size or would it have to be configured another way when making a k98?
Mike
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Post by CharleyNovember on Aug 3, 2007 18:31:57 GMT -5
You need to cut off the outer barrel right after the hop unit and put the inner barrel through a RS barrel that has been bored out or a 1/2inch copper pipe that you can attach a K98 sight too.
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Post by ukkolzi on Aug 22, 2007 16:37:47 GMT -5
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Post by Ersatzjack on Aug 22, 2007 18:25:26 GMT -5
Wow - That's making good use of a Marushin . Bring on the cold weather, eh? I wanna try an APS2 eventually as well. But the price on the USR's is too good to pass up. |
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Post by ukkolzi on Aug 23, 2007 16:21:46 GMT -5
The APS2 makes a great base for these kinds of projects. I might be too stuck in with the APS-series, but in this case, you get what you pay for and I won't mind if it costs a little extra. For this kind of gun, I'm willing to pay a bit more anyway (and If I ever decide to sell it, they'll pay some very nice sums for it). Just be ready to use heavier BB's, in my case with 150% spring .35g works extremely well. And forget the aftermarket adjustable hop-up systems, they are rubbish, the stock hop-up is excellent. In a Vietnam-themed game recently held here I scored hits from some 60-70m away with first or second shot! Poor bastards thought they were safe... Oh, and you really don't need any upgrade parts if you don't want a gun that shoots through trees. With 150% spring this thing shoots about 328 fps with .36g BB's, which I think is perfectly fine for a basic rifle. Just be careful in close encounters. At the moment I have upgraded the cylinder, piston + piston head and the spring guide. The only one of those that might be really necessary is the spring guide, if you decide to get a wider spring. The stock guide is 7mm wide and aftermarket guides come also in 9mm diameter for wider springs. All in all, I'm very satisfied with this project. It turned out maybe even better than I had expected. If you ever decide to do something similar and you have enough money to spend, consider the APS2-series, especially APS2 SV. |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 15, 2007 12:58:54 GMT -5
If you're shooting .35 gram BBs at 300 FPS plus I hope to God you're concious of the close in shots. That jouel rate would simply not be allowed at most US games without a 70 foot (25 Meter) minimum engagement range
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Post by ukkolzi on Sept 16, 2007 10:35:33 GMT -5
That's about 1.8J (now probably 1.5-1.6J, the spring is old), which about equals a M130 tune-up or a bit less, now maybe even M120. Haven't chronoed it in a long time. I think it's not too rough for a bolt action rifle. And yeah, I'm pretty careful in close combat with it (try to avoid it if possible of course), as we do have safety rules. If for some reason the enemy gets very close (~10-15m), I just try to get a bit further away from him, or shout "BANG!" or something if I manage to surprise him. Usually this results in me getting shot . But yeah, I'm pretty careful with it, as with every gun. And I know exactly how it feels to get hit with these, as I have tested every gun I own on myself from 2 meter distance. I also have lighter springs for it if the game is cqb-oriented and for some reason I need a rifle for it. The maximum for sniper rifles etc here in Finland is 3J, which is in my opinion too high. |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 16, 2007 15:44:23 GMT -5
3J is too high in my book also. Can you say "exit wounds?" I would have thought .35 gram Bbs at 300 FPS would have been higher but I didn't look it up in the jouelles conversion tables that are certainly very helpful. Responsible use is the key and it sounds like you're right on top of it. It makes me crazy all the guys with souped up guns who don't take the time to learn their guns capabilities and get skillful at estimating distances.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Sept 16, 2007 17:03:17 GMT -5
I hear you 2nd Bat but... If you don't give the springers some kind of range advantage then there's no incentive to use them (other than they feel and look neat and are challenging to use and don't spray plastic everywhere, and are reliable in all weathers and did I mention their looks and feel  . A little hotter gun in the hands of a careful individual and the use of a pistol (even if it mucks up the impression a little) alleviates any concerns I have. The pistol is important because it gives you an alternative weapon for up close. Oh one more thing, just like the Mauser v Enfield (real steel) comparison on rates of fire, I'll trade an increased rate of fire (translated into a weaker spring 400-450 fps) for super hard to pull springs that get the gun over 500 fps. ROF is worth the loss of velocity and I can get along better with it. |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 16, 2007 22:02:05 GMT -5
I'm with you on that for sure. The bolt action rifle (any long rifle for that matter) should have a range and accuracy advantage over a sub machine gun. The challenge is that above 450 FPS or so (For .20 gram) the physical impact inside of 50 feet is significantly worse then a normal airsoft rifle. Hence minimum ranges come into play. I'm fine with allowing 500 FPS and above or equivalent jouels readings for bolt action rifles if the users are responsible enough to realize that close in engagements can be significantly more painful and damaging then a stock AEG. The encouragement that they use a pistol or do "Bang Bang" kills is a fair one.
I try to do my bolt action rifles so they adhere to the normal max AEG FPS so the shooter can engage anyone at any normal range. I find at 400 FPS with a custom barrel I am able to enageg and eliminate opponents at ranges beyond their normal expectation and far enough away that I can generally relocate before they are able to close and suppress my position.
There is definitely a role for the sharpshooter airsoft weapon in airsoft. I certainly wouldn't call them snipers by any stretch but provided they play responsibly they add a lot to the game. I love playing with my bolt action rifles as well as my AEGs. (Springfield and Garand) In both cases the downsides of size length and weight probably are greater then the upsides against upgraded SMGs but they feel like rifles and I like them better just the same.
If your field requires the SMGs (pistol ammunition based guns) take off all hop and everyone uses low cap or real cap magazines the scale works quite well. MGs have a legitimate place and rifles have a legitimate place in the skirmish.
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Post by ukkolzi on Sept 17, 2007 15:01:32 GMT -5
I actually own a Tanaka P08, but I have three problems with it: 1) I don't really have a good WW2 German holster for it and I don't have room for it in my belt. Then of course, I could always tuck it in my boot, but it would probably fall to some hole in the heat of battle and never to be found again. 2) The magazine leaks. Gotta fix it some day. 3) Being a gas gun, it doesn't work reliably in winter/autumn, when most of the WW2 games are held. The magazine can be held in a pocket, but it sucks to fiddle around with it every time you need it. So far, I haven't had any problems using only the rifle. Just gotta keep some distance when shooting and avoid shooting in the head at close range. I would probably use a lighter spring, but the hop-up is very strong, and even with some M110 spring you would have to use .35g bb's if you want to hit something. And the range would not be too good. Even with the stock spring, roughly an M100, the .3g bb's fly a bit high. And slow as hell, making possible some really cool matrix-style dodging moves, not to mention the hit not being felt when on the move. I think the spring I'm using now is just perfect for .35g bb's. Range and accuracy are excellent, and the power is not an overkill, while I still have an advantage against SMG's and such at longer range. But when the enemy closes in with auto weapons, the going gets rough. That's when your team mates hop in with their MP40's and the riflemen get further back and in turn support the SMG gunners! I agree with 2ndbat on the engagement range issue. It would be great to use it like a regular ~328 fps AEG and not to worry too much in close combat. But when engaging at longer ranges, the rifle wouldn't have any advantage over SMG's. Well, maybe a bit better accuracy but that's it. Guess you can't have everything. |
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Post by armedamazon on Aug 1, 2008 23:37:54 GMT -5
I know that this is an extremely old post but, the stock on your first gun is exactly like mine with the serial # stamp on the stock. I also noticed that you had to cut the barrel cover short like mine is. Where is it originally from? I've always wondered about that.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Aug 2, 2008 1:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by nieb15 on Aug 2, 2008 14:12:53 GMT -5
I like the stock. It seems to be better than the other conversions because there isn't a bolt cutout so everything still appears to be lined up. Great job on the rifles!
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Post by armedamazon on Aug 4, 2008 8:03:10 GMT -5
Two cautionary notes that I know have been shared by Schmitty and obviously Ersaztjack in the past but bear repeating. When you're working with a dremel or sander. Wear eye protection and a breathing mask. Dremels kick small particles in every direction and when those little wheels break yipee! Things can get exciting! The breathing mask is self evident but it's amazing how much dust gets kicked up as your doing your finishing work. I'm delighter to hear so many folks are taking these projects on and love seeing the results of your labor. Something that has been expressed but can't be emphasized enough is how cool it is to hold and shoot these products of your own labor.Not meaning to hijack this post, but what Second Bat was saying about how people are proud of their work, I was at work yesturday showing off some of this site's member's projects. He had basically called everyone amateurs without saying it. I think the hard work you guys put into these projects are well worth the ooohs and ahhhhs. He builds props and sells them to forum members he's affiliated with, and he is quite good. But his comments didn't settle well with me. Guys, keep up the great work! |
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Post by CharleyNovember on Aug 4, 2008 12:23:45 GMT -5
Who called who an amatuer? I'm sorry I'm confused? By definition most of the people on here that have done custom work are professionals. If you have sold something that you built then you are a professional. The work varies in detail some but I think everyone here is outstanding...
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Post by armedamazon on Aug 5, 2008 9:10:57 GMT -5
Hey Charlie! I'm not mentioning names, you probably know him. But I just wanted to say you guys are awsome with the work you've done. And Charlie, as you may/may not know, that I've showed up on the field a couple of times with home-made stuff that actually work. Crap, should've started this conversation on it's own post.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Aug 5, 2008 17:38:39 GMT -5
ahh no big deal your co worker is grumpy and doesn't play anymore. ;D and people continue to order and pay for our "amatuer" work |
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After all, a custom K98 can only satisfy my ravenous appetite for so long. Must have more.
. A little hotter gun in the hands of a careful individual and the use of a pistol (even if it mucks up the impression a little) alleviates any concerns I have. The pistol is important because it gives you an alternative weapon for up close. Oh one more thing, just like the Mauser v Enfield (real steel) comparison on rates of fire, I'll trade an increased rate of fire (translated into a weaker spring 400-450 fps) for super hard to pull springs that get the gun over 500 fps. ROF is worth the loss of velocity and I can get along better with it.