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Post by CharleyNovember on Jun 30, 2007 0:35:58 GMT -5
I have made one of these for Ripper on these forums plus the one I made for myself a long time ago. Hopefully Ripper will be pleased with the replica and will post his thoughts on it here. If he is pleased with it I hope that some of you will contact me to build one for you. The cost is 300.00 plus actual shipping. Half down on order the other half due when I am ready to ship to you. Here is a webpage that has some pictures of the gun. scenarioairsoft.com/ww2/wickedweapons/vz24/  |
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Post by theriseandfall on Jun 30, 2007 0:54:23 GMT -5
wow thats looking good! may have to take you up on one of these. I'm stuck on allied weapons so far though  |
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jun 30, 2007 2:01:46 GMT -5
I for one don't believe that you are making these. The work table is way too clean  . The price sure seems fair. Of course the VZ24 parts go cheaper and you are saving $$ by using the copper barrel. I wonder what you do for the front of the barrel. Did you put a spacer in so it looks like a RS muzzle or is it a gaping shotgun sized hole. A spacer/plug would be another step but it would look nicer. One other thing... the magazine has no catch? None? What's holding it in? Those mags have to be pretty firmly in position or you get alot of misfeeds, or worse, your on all fours searching for it with the enemy patrol approaching. It's bad enough with the allies having Semi-auto Garands, Grease guns, TM tommies, BARs, and now the .30 Calibre Killbucket guns that fire forever. The last thing I want is a misfeed when I only get one shot. ;D. Anyway, I do like the way the trigger was nicely centered. Looks good. And once again the price is very reasonable. Good Luck with the venture. |
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Post by Ripper on Jun 30, 2007 9:19:29 GMT -5
Here's my baby!!! Thanks Dan!!!!!!!! ;D I've cleaned and oiled the stock with a lemon oil/and bees wax polish to bring out the grain a bit more. Shoots like a dream!! I'll be carrying her during my groups upcoming game on the 7th.   |
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jun 30, 2007 10:12:40 GMT -5
I test fired it alot with no misfeeds. It fits very well in the stock. I even ran around the back yard with it and had no problems but I did offer to fix it for free by putting a mag catch on it if it was ever a problem. Your solution to a simple mag catch is the easiet to produce Jack. and that is probally what I would use. Yeah the idea was to offer something that could be afforded easily. Of course I can always use a RS barrel and an actual k98 stock but that would be more money X whatever the real steel parts cost pretty much. 1/2 inch muzzle really is not a huge hole. Bigger than 8mm obviously but not bad. I may indeed try and add a spacer on the next one.
Be sure to get some ingame pictures with her if you can Ripper.
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Post by Ripper on Jun 30, 2007 10:45:18 GMT -5
So far, the mag fits in VERY tightly, but I will most likely add some kind of simple catch. I also want to carry a spare mag or two, but it is very easy to load the one I have with a normal click loader.
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Post by odinfish on Jun 30, 2007 11:00:10 GMT -5
Wow...sweet!
I have a few odd questions tho':
Magazines - any chance of a pic of it, and can they fit in any of the historical ammo pouches?
Stock - apart from using a real k98 stock, can you make the stock more accurate with the placing of a sling groove?
What's the fps?
Mike
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Post by Ripper on Jun 30, 2007 11:31:52 GMT -5
This IS accurate for a Vz24. They used standard sling swivels.
The German Army started the war with over 350,000 of them already in inventory. Many more were produced up until 1942 .
It is just one of many substitute weapons that the Germans used during the war.
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Post by odinfish on Jun 30, 2007 11:38:51 GMT -5
This IS accurate for a Vz24. They used standard sling swivels. The German Army started the war with over 800,000 of them already in inventory. Many more were produced right up until the Russian overran the Czech factories. My apologies...I misread and meant accurate to the Gewehr 98 line. Mike |
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jun 30, 2007 13:26:56 GMT -5
Magazines - any chance of a pic of it, and can they fit in any of the historical ammo pouches?
The mag is a standard VSR-10 style mag. It will not fit in K98 pouches Tanaka mags will not fit either as the historical pouches were made to fit stripper clips and are much smaller. You can modify FJ bandoleers to fit them however.
Stock - apart from using a real k98 stock, can you make the stock more accurate with the placing of a sling groove?
1 thing I don't like about a K98 stock is the cutout for the bolt handle as it makes fitting a safety in there very diffucult as noted by Ersatzjack on his guns. I could possible cut a sling groove into the back but it would be the first one I did and I do not have the measurements to do so at this time.
What's the fps?
It would be stock FPS for the USR-11. I am guessing around 350fps but that is only a guess. It is upgradeable just like the VSR-10 with the same parts.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jun 30, 2007 13:31:21 GMT -5
Also because it has been asked already. If you provide the base gun it makes it about 100.00 cheaper.
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Post by odinfish on Jul 1, 2007 9:55:26 GMT -5
Can a Super 9 bolt fit in either the USR-11 or VSR-10, if so, would the efficiency of the gun be affected in anyway? I'm asking because the bolt handle "looks" a bit more accurate.
Mike
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 1, 2007 12:09:11 GMT -5
I could fashion a more realistic bolt handle. But again more work more cost. I would not try working with a super 9 at all sorry.
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Post by killbucket on Jul 2, 2007 10:37:09 GMT -5
NICE WORK!!! I swear I could smell Cosmolene when looking at your pics. Now how about an AirSoft Martini-Henry?  ZuluSim is coming, we just have to fill a zillion other niches first. |
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Post by Ripper on Jul 2, 2007 11:34:13 GMT -5
If you sniffed that rifle, you WOULD smell cosmoline! There was still plenty on the bayonet lug and in the cleaning rod hole when Dan shipped it to me. ;D
The wood was also pretty well infused with cosmoline residue along with half a century of handling grime. Ah, yes..if only they could talk.
She cleaned up very nice and just got another coat of teak oil last night. Cleaning had left the wood a bit bleached looking, but the teak oil is really bringing the grain pattern back out.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 2, 2007 11:55:07 GMT -5
Ripper and Dan, and Ersatz congratualtions. You are all contributing nicely to a more authentic WW2 experience with increasingly authentic and affordable WW2 style weapons. Ripper by buying one, Ersatz for building several and sharing his experiences with it and Dan for now offering them to others such as Ripper at an amazingly low cost.
I hope many others will accept your offer and keep you plenty busy, although Dan don't forget your wife has to interact with you occassionally as well. The rifle looks great and with the VSR base should provide years of great and reliable service.
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Post by odinfish on Jul 4, 2007 10:54:03 GMT -5
Ok...more questions. Since the VSR 10 is mentioned for this project, I saw this located in the description of an HFC VSR 10 at Airsplat.com:
"'Suckback' is not an issue with VSR barrels ranging from 303mm to the 555mm bull outer barrel suited inner barrels.
Basically, its not "sucked back" - the problem is that the internal volume of the barrel is greater than the useable volume of the cylinder, and thus you lose velocity. There are some comments in one of the threads to explain it more precisely."
Can someone explain this? And is this an issue with the VSR 10?
Also, using a copper barrel is mentioned...by using copper would corrosion be an issue?
Mike
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 4, 2007 15:20:42 GMT -5
VSR-10's and USR-11 clone work just fine. No major problems with these rifles at all. No problem with corrossion of the barrels.
Suckback occurs when you fire an AEG with an extremely long barrel. Before your bb exits the barrel the piston is cycling back already pulling back at the bb that hasn't exited the barrel. This is definatley not a problem with a bolt action gun. What you can have is if you have a really long barrel you only have so much useable volume in a cylinder once it propels the bb so far down the barrel if it is out of ass and still has more barrel left to go then you have no forward propulsion but you still have the friction of the barrel slowing your bb down before it exits the barrel. I don't really get to concerned with it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 4, 2007 22:14:13 GMT -5
Generally a phenomena of extremely long barrels combined with exotic Rates of Fire. Often times it can be eliminated with a lower voltage battery reducing the rate of fire. Sometimes you have to simply go with a shorter barrel. It's a fairly rare occurance.
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Post by Doom on Jul 5, 2007 1:06:55 GMT -5
Dan, I may be interested in one of these. Three questions though...How much extra to pre-upgrade it so it's shooting at 510fps (like yours) when it arrives, are the stocks in very good-excellent condition (can I request one?) and do you take Paypal. Thanks.
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Post by Sturmmann13 on Jul 5, 2007 7:59:50 GMT -5
ZULU SIM!!! That is one sweet movie...
Anywho good job Dan looks sweet might have to pick one up after selling my soul for the money ($300 isn't bad it's just I am flat broke)
1 Perfectly Clean soul of Sturmmann 13 $250...... Any Takers?
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 5, 2007 8:41:11 GMT -5
Doom ~
1. To upgrade it properly it cost 215.00 extra this replaces the sear, Springguide, Piston, Cylinder Head, and spring and includes 50.00 for my time to install all of this.
2. The stocks being Ebay surplus stocks are generally dinged and beat up to differing degrees. A really nice stock could be had for a little extra (25.00 extra as that is usually what the nice stocks cost me.)but it would take time to find the right deal.
3. Of course I take Paypal. Half down for deposit and half when I am ready to ship.
So all told it would run you 540.00 plus shipping for a complete upgraded gun. It would of course be cheaper for you to buy the parts and upgrade it yourself but I understand not everyone is comfortable doing that.
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Darn it Sturmann I used to take souls in on trade but I always found them not as clean as advertised and I couldn't use them as effectivley to buy my contract back from Satan. I should be around for awhile though so get your cash together and let me know. Incidently like stated above I take half down half when I am done so you need 150.00 to start for the base gun is all.
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Post by Ripper on Jul 5, 2007 13:00:00 GMT -5
OK guys, here she is all scoped and zeroed in. At 50 feet, I'm hitting targets the size of a quarter. Can't do anything longer than that until this Saturday.  |
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Post by Doom on Jul 5, 2007 15:58:54 GMT -5
I will do some budgeting and see what I have left next week (payday). I would most likely buy the base gun without upgrades as 540.00 + shipping is putting me up into the Tanaka range. I'll let you know. Thanks.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 5, 2007 16:47:53 GMT -5
I am sure you could do the upgrades yourself. Spring rifles are not terribly hard to work on. Even though 540.00 is Tanaka range it still works at a consistant speed winter and summer and the mags are cheaper by far. You give away some on the 100% accuracy of the replica but gain something on repeatability on your shots. Plus you can buy the parts to upgrade peice by peice...sort of your own personal lay-a-way program.  |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 5, 2007 17:55:51 GMT -5
Guys I can vouch for Dans work and character. This offer is an incredible deal. The Tanaka is an excellent rifle but Gas guns generate challenges too numerous to list here. The VSR 10 and VSR 11 knock off (especially with the recoil feature taken out) is a hard, straight shooter and will be quite competitive (for a bolt action) and get you lots of eliminations with good tactics and team work and the replicas he makes will afford a certain pananche of "realness" the Tanaka can't really generate.
This is an unpaid endorsement. If you have a hankering for one of these and have the dough this constitutes a tremendous opportunity! Compare at 1200.00 for the Custom Springfield or Enfields or Mosin Nagant on various sites. You can't beat this deal with a stick unless your twin brother is willing to make one for you!
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Post by cairo1 on Jul 11, 2007 13:36:13 GMT -5
wow these sound like a dream when i get the money i will hafta buy one
i commend you on your work allamericandan ;D
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 11, 2007 22:38:31 GMT -5
Thank you John and Cairo please do look me up when you are ready for one of these. Their may be a waiting line at that point but not a very long wait. I have had another paide for a started for the UK market and several others have shown interest like you in getting one when they can afford it. Real life means paying bills so I understand. Just hit me up via email or here through PM's when you need me.
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. The price sure seems fair. Of course the VZ24 parts go cheaper and you are saving $$ by using the copper barrel. I wonder what you do for the front of the barrel. Did you put a spacer in so it looks like a RS muzzle or is it a gaping shotgun sized hole. A spacer/plug would be another step but it would look nicer. One other thing... the magazine has no catch? None? What's holding it in? Those mags have to be pretty firmly in position or you get alot of misfeeds, or worse, your on all fours searching for it with the enemy patrol approaching. It's bad enough with the allies having Semi-auto Garands, Grease guns, TM tommies, BARs, and now the .30 Calibre Killbucket guns that fire forever. The last thing I want is a misfeed when I only get one shot. ;D. Anyway, I do like the way the trigger was nicely centered. Looks good. And once again the price is very reasonable. Good Luck with the venture. 
