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Post by Monty on Jan 12, 2006 11:00:21 GMT -5
Monty’s Airsoft Productions is excited to announce its World War Two Series to take place at EMR Paintball, New Milford PA.
The World War two Series “Europe ‘44” will span three games. Battle of the Bulge (10-Hour Scenario: April 22nd 2006.) Operation Overlord (26 Hour scenario: June 3rd and 4th 2006) Operation Market Garden (26 Hour Scenario)
Age restrictions: Players under 18 may play if accompanied by a parent/guardian. Uniform Restrictions : Allies : Period Dress or Woodland Camouflage BDUs Germans: Period Dress or Black/Gray BDUs Weapon Restrictions: Any Airsoft approved small arms are permitted in MAP games.
Prizes will be awarded to best-dressed team.
Pre-registered player (Pre-registered before April 6th 2006) will receive MRE meal (lunch), Campaign Medal and game T-Shirt)
Game Entry is $65 if pre-registered or $85 on the day of the game
Game will follow Monty’s Airsoft Productions Mission intensive format. Camping and lodging free of charge. (Teams or Alliances of 15 or more may register for an EMR Bunkhouse for the game)
Registration and Camp Grounds open on Friday Night.
For any further questions please contact Monty via the MAP website or by e mail Tom.Sutton@naspbl.com
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Post by monty on Jan 12, 2006 12:42:58 GMT -5
Apology for the double post Mods
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Post by AADan on Jan 12, 2006 22:04:57 GMT -5
Looking forward to it though I have to say not too happy about the woodland BDU's being allowed.
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Post by BDUs on Jan 13, 2006 12:49:50 GMT -5
Infectious suggestion AA Dan
We allow people to wear the BDU's, they will enjoy the ww2 experience games, and also experience teams that are dedicated to the re-eactment side also, and hopefully draw more interest. I take the view that if we exclude from the offset, forward progression will halt. My ambition is to one day produce a D-day game with a couple of thousand players, representing each of the Divisions involved. To do that, we need to draw interest from the non-renactor players by providing the most intensive games possible.
Hope that makes sense
Monty
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 13, 2006 14:26:58 GMT -5
I think you will find me and the group of airsofters I play with some of the most liberal in uniform standards for WW2 airsofting. WW2AA is an entirely different group and although I enjoy the the message board we differ on uniform standards...I think these standards www.worldwar2airsoft.com/rules.htm or a slight variation there of are not too much to ask from a player. John Lu has specific uniform requirements and many many other restrictions and he never has a problem filling his events. I ask that you take a look at an consider this suggestion. The inclusion of woodland BDU's while allowing you to include some of the SWAT/SF crowd is going to preclude alot of the WW2 airsoft crowd. At some point you end up having just another airsoft event with some WW2 sounding objectives and in that case there really is no point to it. Thanks for making a push to produce a WW2 event I wish you luck.
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Post by Gefrieter Hans on Jan 13, 2006 22:43:59 GMT -5
Woodland BDUs, well I am on the fence. If I was an allied kind of guy I could go arround my 2 army navy stores and make and allied uniform from scratch that abides by dan's rules. And trust me my army navy stores havent helped me much making my german uniform. I can also see in a sense of how woodland BDU's discourage other reenactor type people from attending except if someone actually missed an event like this just because people would be wearing woodland bdu's I am guessing this is a pretty snobby indivisual. Allowing woodland BDU's in my opinion is almost setting no standard. But that isnt necacerilly a bad thing either because I know from paintball experience that Oklahoma D-Day has LOTS and I mean LOTS of people attending with vehicles and landing crafts and the works. However if you want to apeal to people and make this a big event I think it would be a better Idea to not allot Woodlands because If people are not going to drive to PA so they can play with people with woodland BDUs when most people can do that in their own backyard.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 14, 2006 1:27:39 GMT -5
exacto mundo!
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Post by monty on Jan 16, 2006 0:36:19 GMT -5
With the 26 hour games, there will be greater restrictions, in that no woodland will be allowed. However, the 10 hour Scenario on Aprill 22nd is designed for the purpose of showing the game format and introducing many to my game format, which is intensive.
Just for clarity, I am not producing re-enactments, I am producing themed games.
Monty
MAP website hads been updated
http:montysairsoft.naspbl.com
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 16, 2006 1:24:06 GMT -5
So are we Monty. The uniform requirement that we have are very very liberal yet inclusive of people that would put up a minimum of effort and money for soemthing that looks WW2'ish. I understand wanting to cast a large net though. Good luck sir and keep us posted on your progress.
Good to hear your later games will be more kit restrictive perhaps I will look into attending one of those.
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Post by thanks on Jan 16, 2006 11:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by fallout11 on Jan 19, 2006 9:25:38 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure AADan and I would ride up for your second (26 hour) event. So we wish you well and success with your efforts!
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Post by MontyAirsoft on Jan 19, 2006 9:49:29 GMT -5
That'd be great, and I look forward to seeing you there. Stay posted on this forum and montysairsoft.naspbl.com for more news.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 19, 2006 20:39:39 GMT -5
boss I can't get your forums or your webpage to come up no matter what? Your webpage is your first impression out here man.
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Post by Monty1 on Jan 24, 2006 9:44:59 GMT -5
There are no forums on the website at this time. We'll have them up shortly
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 24, 2006 20:39:47 GMT -5
I would say Dan is more than just casually liberal. He bends over backwards to accomodate budget restrictions and early initiators into WW2 themed events. I applaud him for that and we are seeing a progression of improvement in the impressions that show up for his events. To allow Woodland (of all things) is the kicker. It would completely preclude me from participating on any level. It says we're doing a WW2 themed event "Just kidding!" Does that make me a snob? Okay I'm a snob. If you build it they will come. Maybe not on the first event but if the quality is there for the second. and even more so for the third etc. You're just trying to fill slots, don't kid yourself.
I wish you well but frankly won't have any interest in viewing the pictures. By calling it a WW2 event you'll cause a level of interest that will result in a level of dissapointment in the very folks we'd like to attract that will taint their view of anything else called an airsoft WW2 themed event. That's my view. In spite of it I do wish you the best of luck with your event.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 24, 2006 22:00:01 GMT -5
Your website does not load at all.
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Post by Guinness on Jan 24, 2006 23:14:01 GMT -5
well unless of course the front page is a picture of a 10th Mountain soldier in Winter camo in complete white-out blizzard conditions.........if that's the case then......
Nice site!
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-G
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Post by predator06 on Feb 15, 2006 13:59:06 GMT -5
Wow. I need to pay more attention to this thread.
I sent suggestions for Uniforms, But apparently they were rejected. I Basically suggested OD Green BDUs for allies and GREY for Germans. With the cheap insignia.
But, oh well.
I Really don't Care what every one else wears to tell the truth. I will be wearing an impression and carrying correct weapons. And Hopefully that will Inspire the guy who shows up with the Black BDUs and the MP5 to try to build up a kit for the NEXT game.
MONTY is right guys, You have to start somewhere. And It should be as simple as possible. And what Monty has Described will work. Keep in mind, its Monty's first WW2 AS event. **Not ours. And I Am of the opinion that we should support him fully to Promote the future Growth of our Hobby. Because a Large series of events like this, will serve as some of the Best Publicity for our hobby we can find.
If you don't like the Uniform requirements, (BDU's)then as many of us should show up as possible, With our Gear, and that WILL inspire others when they see us, to try to do the same in the future. Those who ask Questions about getting more realistic gear we can Guide in the right direction.
The Hobby cannot survive without its newbies. and Allowances for them Should therefore be made.
**( I Havent yet had the oportunity to attend a WW2 AS event yet, But I Am most definantly a ww2 Airsofter, and I plan to attend these events.)
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Post by CharleyNovember on Feb 15, 2006 16:08:12 GMT -5
I would love to support him up there but I think I will be too busy supporting WW2 airsoft down here in the south this year. Looks like a good year overall for WW2 airsofting in many forms.
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Post by Montysairsoft on Mar 15, 2006 21:38:00 GMT -5
Battle of the Bulge will take place on April 22nd 2006 at EMR Paintball Park 2006. 10 Hour scenario (4x2 hour Mission Periods, with Two 30 minute breaks and a 1 hour lunch break) This is not a renactment, and there are no uniform or weapon requirments other than those specified in the safety guidelines. The US Forces have settled in for the winter, and are rotating new green troops onto the front lines. It is apparent that there will be no major advance until the spring of 2005. However, Hitler has one last trick up his sleeve. If a thrust can be made towards the belgian port of Antwerp, the Allied Armies can be devided and a negotiated peace may be possible. December 15th, 1944. The Battle of the Bulge is about to begin. Entry fee is $65 pre registered by April 1st, $80 on the day of the event. Includes MRE Breakfast and Lunch Game T-shirt Campaign Medal Bottomless Coffee Camping/Bunkhouse Game Entry Camp grounds and bunkhouses will be available for Friday and Saturday nights regitration via montysairsoft.naspbl.com
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Post by flint on Apr 3, 2006 14:47:06 GMT -5
hey guy's
Jericho D. Flint here ok as some of you may know me & my buddy Ken aka Shadow have just joined up with WW II air soft .com and Sam aka Gordak has offered us a spot in the 82nd and we have accepted.
but what you guy's don't know is that Ken and i have bin in NEASG, for a couple of year's and play all over .
we have played at EMR which is were Monty’s Airsoft Productions is holding the game's also ken and i have posted it way back on the NEASG, forms'.
just giveing" you a little back ground here "" now as for Uniform Restrictions look at it this way it is better to play a big WW II airsoft game on a great filed and i do meen great""" EMR is a top filed it cry's out for a WW II sescenario. with 200 ++++ guy's.
ok some may be wereing - black or all gray' or even tiger strip" but hey. then to play a 20 to 30 man game if we can get that many to show'' were we are all in the right gear' .
look at what predator06 Private 1st Class said in his post thats the right attitude
i was playing airsoft back in 1982 guy's when i bought un MP-5K made by daisy which had ejecting cacartridge's and no one would play.
thay all played paint ball which was at one time out-law ball. air soft is just coming into it's own right now and even though am fully in to WW II. airsoft we are still very very few " in number we need to support. any well done WW II air soft.
that will educate new players and bring them over to WW II . i don't really think any one here played their frist WW II game in full kit .
if we lead by esexamplend and these guy's have a good time at the game and want more .
we can point them in the right didirection and help them get the right gear'.
come on if we can be a group of rereactors and airsofter's and work it all out you can play one game were a guy is wereing woodland Camouflage BDUs.
if that keeps you from participating at all in some thing that will be good for us latter . you need to sit back and take a hard look at your self .
because if you really want guy's showing up in kit" then show up or at the least dont attack some one who is just starting out. show some kind of susupport.
thanks this just how i feel after six year's of trying to get pepole into WW II airsoft. and not getting any were"" till we got here''.
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Post by predator06 on Apr 5, 2006 15:25:35 GMT -5
Cool! Now we just need Monty to fix his friggin website so we can jump on his web board and talk about how bad of a pounding the americans are going to take,,, err,, I mean Politely discus the event with absolutly NO SMACK TALKING ON MY PART. FYI,, I wont make the first event. But I plan to make the JUNE event.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 5, 2006 19:20:53 GMT -5
At some point you have to decide if you're there and if it's not growing because you haven't let it or because you never built it. I say by all means go to standard games in full WW2 kit and if there's several of you there that's great. It promotes the concept. The folks who are attracted to it will seek you out the folks who aren't won't. That doesn't make you right and them wrong or vis-a-versa. If however you're going to call it a WW2 event or represent it as WW2 airsoft then make a reasonable effort.
His is a commercial enterprise pure and simple. That isn't wrong or bad on any level. I'll gladly pay to attend a well executed, carefully produced event. This is absolutely not one of them. Nothing is going to grow from it but more hokey and embarrassing efforts. That's completely my opinion and I'm certainly not suggesting there's is no merit to your thoughts. Incidently my first airsoft guns were a KG-9 and carbine that ejected shells (1986)
I find it as entertaining as going to a costume party where I'm the only one who shows up in costume and people look at me like I was the goof ball. We will hold a WW2 event at the end of the month in the Seattle area and there's no doubt our attendence could be double what it will be if we relaxed the requirements on uniforms and gear. Incidently it will also be double or possibly triple what it was at a local event 4 months ago. I like the pattern.
We are compromising on weapons as they simply are not available in affordable numbers. There are some who will see this compromise as unacceptable. Like you I see an event with less then say a dozen players or so as not worth the trouble but I'd rather go to an event with 14 who looked quite good then 40 who looked like the typical airsoft weekend with a few looking right. I've reached a point where I've had my fill of, tennis shoe clad, mixed hunting camo and blue jeans, paintball masks and magazines stuffed in pockets crowd. We'll have 40 plus at the end of April and they will look awesome. Not perfect but awesome.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Apr 5, 2006 22:41:07 GMT -5
John judging from this post and others sounds like you have gone over to the reenactor side completely. This is surprising considering the quality and accuracy of the uniforms you sold on here other boards and ebay. It is not meant as a dig towards you but it has certainly seemed odd to see this change in you.
I would have to agree to a point that what seems like a total lack of uniform requirements doesn't do it for me with this event at all. I look at it as why bother when I can play with normal players locally while I dress up. I dress in uniform everytime now for exactly the reasoning you are using.(It will draw others that are interested.)
EMR is an awesome field but I can wait and go to a paintball event there and get the same enjoyment on that level.
I think that personally I have taken large strides towards 100% accuracy and WW2AA would probally let me play with them if I was in the area without too much problem. I have also seen using my method of draggin people in slowly those that are quality and are going to stick with it do just like I have done and peice it together over time with quality reproductions or originals. Honestly from what I have seen WW2AA strives for 100% but they would be willing to help those that are striving along as long as they are striving towards a complete impression.
I enjoy doing this for my own selfish reasons mainly collecting and dressing up. I can overlook most crap from others but I am very layed back and live and let live. Other people it just ruins it for them when people "FARB" it up.
What we have here in my opinion is an event that doesn't really strive to help move WW2 airsofting along it is simply here to make money. Is that wrong? I dunno the admins and mods should decide that. But I think it is.
My Gosh that is a book sorry.
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Post by Guinness on Apr 5, 2006 23:37:38 GMT -5
At ease gentlemen-
Let me clear all this up so no one gets their boxers in a bunch ;D
I have discussed this with Monty and we reached an agreement. Without 'choosing sides' or anything like that, I told him we have no problem having him post a game announcement for his events here. However he agreed to leave the uniform regs out and allow interested parties the opportunity to learn about that when they visited his website and then make their decisions. That way we aren't 'endorsing' his Woodland camo allowance (which we would not) and people that want to go on out and have a nice day of 'nearenacting' Airsoft can have a good time- everybody wins.
Now to your point Jericho- I was right there with ya back in the 80's so we must be about the same age (yikes) I had the daisy 'softair' Uzi and mini14 as well as several of the pistols....fun times
Anyway back to my point- In fact we do strive for a higer level of accuracy and authenticity here- we have quite a few blankenactors as members (like yourself) and we are really trying to dispel the old "Airsoft is for the people that dont want to do the research to be authentic" so honestly, the attitude of "now as for Uniform Restrictions look at it this way it is better to play a big WW II airsoft game on a great filed and I do meen great" is not what we are about here- And remember there is a distinction between what WW2AA stands for and what a event sponsor is planning at their local game- Again, we have no problem allowing Monty, who is a very good guy BTW, to announce and promote his games here- but lets not confuse his actions in his events with what WW2AA is trying to support. Clearly two entirely different things.
While it is true that being accepting and supportive of new players is the best way to grow the sport, and we absolutely agree with that, WW2AA as an organization does not hold or provide events as such- many of the teams and groups affiliated with WW2AA do, 2nd Rangers, Gordak's 82nd Dog Co., BattleSims (HellMutt and 2ndBat) Hells Knights, and others, it is at their descretion to establish the uniform requirements, and in keeping with WW2AA's stated goals, woodland would not be correct for any WWII era game.
So lets all just understand that this organization is about accuaracy and authenticity of impression, but that in no way means we cannot assist a friend in 'getting the word out' and bringing new players to the sport of Airsoft- that however is different than calling a game with no uniform requirements a WWII Airsoft game- at least from the perspective of this group.
WW2AA has no intention of compromising its standards to lure Airsoft players and fill this board- there is no need- we get several new members each day and by simply observing that growth and the quality of impressions that are shared on the forums it is clear that WWII Airsoft-enacting has in fact taken off and it's growth has it's own momentum that we only seek to support and participate in. Let's not take a step backwards at this point.
That is all-
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-G
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Post by HellRazor on Apr 6, 2006 2:39:24 GMT -5
*Starts Slow Clap*
What? Not the right time?
Anyway, I wish Monty the Best of Luck on his event, because I know how much of a pain they can be!!! Good Luck friend!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 6, 2006 3:21:46 GMT -5
Dan,
I have stated before how impressed I am with your groups efforts toward greater and greater accuracy and I applaud the way you're helping bring people along gradually and affordably. It was my hope to help in that process when i sold costumes that were certainly short of this boards goals and requirements but were put together with the initial intent of getting something going here locally. Indeed they helped catalyse a movement that helped get us where we are now. I wanted to spread that process elsewhere and I think I have.
I am probably more generous then many in applauding what I see as a reasonable effort. I know how expensive a proper impression can be and realize that folks can't get there overnight or even within a year in some cases. I also know that for an affordable amount you've made an effort to get something reasonable and presentable for yourself and others. I applaud you for that and encourage you to keep it up. Monty isn't even making an effort and for that I am being a elitist snob and mean spirited.
We aren't at a level that will be accepted by everyone either but like you we're making the effort and we're making progress. When I first visited this site I didn't agree with it's lofty goals and what seems like unrealistic expectations but I have since come to appreciate that it should represent an ideal that all of us airsoft WW2 reenactors should target. So I guess you could say you're right. I've gone over to the Khaki side.
Did I mention that IIIIIII AAAAAAMMMMM YOOOOORE FAAAAATHER!!!!!
Keep smiling Dan you're doing great.
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Post by flint on Apr 6, 2006 12:01:42 GMT -5
hey' guy's Guinness first off believe me i am in total agreement with your statement & that of 2ndBat. i know the high standards that are here on WW 2 AA & i do" understand that this organization is about accuracy and authenticity of impression. that is why Shadow & i are very happy to be here' & to be part of the 82nd. as we off-in strive for perfection in any thing that we do as a hobby & passing on what we have learned and are glad to be in a group that feels the same way. we have played at EMR before and we know Blue" the filed owner. and long before Monty we had talk with Blue about letting in air-soft. i don't know were you live' but here in N.J & the N.Y area just un till recently and still some times if you did find a Field that would let on air soft they would ether charge way to 'much or stick' your group in the shi$% ^ part of the Field but EMR is not like that. Blue is a paint ball -player from way-back & still is' he has not forgotten were he came from. & how his sport has grow since than & he is willing to give air-soft the same shot which i feel is great as we need all the support we can get as we are still growing. ;D what i meant by my comment [ to play a big WW II air soft game on a great filed ]. & i am sorry i probably did not word it right" it is just that i love the standers here. also i feel that if we want to encourage others to strive for the same we must lead by example. i know that I'm not alone in that i can not get to Colorado or Illinois for a game at this time . so my thinking here was that a game like this hosted on a well know Field will draw a lot of people & yes not all may come back or want to get gear to the standards that we do . but i feel that there must be some out there" who will & who would like to fall-in with us. it would not hurt for some of us to be there to let them know that we are around". & also be able to answer any impression questions that they may have . i do not know Monty my self but i do here good thing's about him' but if he has a lot of people like us in are impressions turn out in support of his effort's may be next time he will be more stickied in his uniforming requirement's. any way that's what I'm hoping comes's of all this' Jericho D. Flint, Proud to Serve in The 82nd,
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Post by Guinness on Apr 6, 2006 12:23:27 GMT -5
It's all good Jericho! Just wanted to make sure we remain clear about the distinction between a WW2AA sponsored and promoted event and a event we announce for the community. This way we don't have to get into hassles about what level of accuracy or authenticity may be present, or what this or that promoter is doing at their event. It looked like there was a potential for discord about what Monty is doing there and I didn't want it to drag our members into deep philosophical or political arguments about what WW2AA supports thats all ;D -G
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 6, 2006 12:57:27 GMT -5
Guinness you have more then earned the title "Moderator" Nice job as always. This thread i think does a great job of clearing up perspectives and approaches as well as expectations and the vision of this site.
I think the varying efforts to promote out vision are positive and our activity is going to see a lot of growth in the next few years. Keep up the effort, whatever your approach everyone and good luck and good hunting. As Guinness says: it's all good!"
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