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Post by 2ndranger on Jul 8, 2007 9:48:35 GMT -5
Thank you all who came to attend! I hope everyone enjoyed it as much as I did. The landing was excellent, the second one was even better! Please post your comments here, there will be an AAR by Ersatzjack soon along with some video and photos. Again Thank you all for attending!
Franz
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Post by sharpshooter on Jul 8, 2007 10:11:11 GMT -5
Enough video and photos for one to edit a movie together perhaps?
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Post by rkrueger on Jul 8, 2007 10:33:59 GMT -5
I would be wondering where would it be held
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Post by Tough Ombre on Jul 8, 2007 11:01:25 GMT -5
... alright... how do I say this.... THAT WAS AWSOME EVEN THOUGH I PLAYED WITH NO GUN BECUASE I GOT SAND IN MY GEAR BOX!!!!!!!!! next time though.. lets have the germans back a little ways... because I mean when we are starting staring down your barrels at like 15yds..... it makes things... welll how do i say it DIFFICULT!!! lol but other wise I had soooo much fun wading ashore in all the gear from chest deep water..... yes... I did that just for fun Also i think a different spawn point is needed like one in the water haha But it was a great event, and we learned quite a few things which can be changed in the Future!! I think that beach landings have great potential though and could deffinatly add to the game. I wish i had some pictures... but anyone that does.... I WANT THEM MEOW!!!!! -Cary
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Post by 17 SS Allshaus on Jul 8, 2007 11:30:38 GMT -5
Great event, guys!
I had tons of fun, even though the weather was a bit brutal in the heat department. Can't wait to see the footage taken during the event.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Jul 8, 2007 12:06:48 GMT -5
We definitely know how to improve upon this type of scenario. It was definitely a BLAST! I for one enjoyed single handedly retaking the beach from the allies. I love airsoft for the simple reason that players "don't wanna be hit" and treat the 6mm bb as a real bullet. Seeing all you allies coward back as you dealt with the sand, heat, malfunctioning weapons, and being soaking wet was very realistic. MY hats off to you all. It was an uphill battle for you the minute you hit the water.
GREAT EVENT!
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Post by ersatzjack2 on Jul 8, 2007 12:39:48 GMT -5
Ok, let's see.. the allies started by being loaded down with full field packs and then they had to jump off the barge and drop 6-8 feet into water, and do so under a hail of german fire. Once they got to the beach ( in a second or two) they were still dealt withering fire. The number of players yelling hit merely whipped the german defenders into a greater frenzy as each german wanted to exact the most damage. I don't think this was too much fun for the allies and I salute your willingness to experience this. Still, the allies won the first skirmish because they regenerated at an almost unbelieveable pace (ok, they were excited and didn't follow the regen rules but we didn't mind too much) and I know several of them had a satisfying first battle. Tommygunner assaulted me in a fortified position and used his 2nd bat springfield to put one between my eyes and Oslo singlehandedly took out the toughest sandbag position in a heroic charge and spray of thompson firepower that 17th SS allhaus will remember. Yes, getting hit in the hand from 3ft away by a thompson burst can make you remember things. In the second battle the allies adhered to the rules and couldn't make much headway. I sniped Tommygunner and got even for the first skirmish and Zak did indeed have a great flanking counterattack all by himself. While the SS units showed great restraint, the only blemish to the battle was when the fallschirmjagers machinegunned allied prisoners at the beach (for the benefit of onlooking kayakers). It was a lot of fun and filling the 100 sandbags and fortifying the positions the previous day in the heat added to the enjoyment. Side note - Allshaus, c'mon, don't wait for photos, post yours. I know you want folks to see you toting the mg-34. Thanks to all of the participants for making this another enjoyable event for myself and ersatzjack.
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Post by 17 SS Allshaus on Jul 8, 2007 13:10:56 GMT -5
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Post by 2ndranger on Jul 8, 2007 13:38:21 GMT -5
To Allshaus Great pics! To Cary...you didnt expect us to jus give you zee beach! Did you!? I like the enthusiasm of the US guys jumping in the water...thats how you wear down the uniform...by wearing the UNIFORM! Again good Job everyone and thanks for coming down for another fun event?
Franz
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Post by Tough Ombre on Jul 8, 2007 13:47:05 GMT -5
lol well.... it was anzio!!! -Cary
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Post by 2ndranger on Jul 8, 2007 13:54:02 GMT -5
Correction it was the MTO as in It could be anything from Sicily to Anzio...also Dragoon was more our main theme. Franz
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Post by Tough Ombre on Jul 8, 2007 14:33:51 GMT -5
Oooo... i thought we were going w/ anzio lol.... -Cary
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Post by spitfire740 on Jul 8, 2007 15:09:51 GMT -5
we trained for Anzio lol! Davidson shot me in the finger and the back of the neck... but other than that it was amazing! Only thing is I got waaaaaaaay too much sand in my gun. Every internal piece was covered.
Next time I'll use my thompson for the beach landing! It was still soo much fun though. I think the spectators got a good show. Its kinda funny, Davidson was like, "Innocenti, behind you!" and I looked at a helmet that was behind me and moved it, then he shouted, "Innocenti, BEHIND YOU!" and I looked back and there was Pussy Boy aiming his MP40 at my eyes, and I almost had a heart attack. Best execution ever! I have some pics of the allied arsenal on my camera, and I'llt ry to post them up soon.
ooh, I almost forgot to congratulate Neville on a fantastic job as Medic! He was always there it seemed! 1 medic + 8 soldiers is a tough job running back and fourth. Next event though, we'll need to give you some trigger time.
Great event guys, hats off to ROFF, 45thSgt, and Osler!
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Post by Tough Ombre on Jul 8, 2007 15:11:41 GMT -5
ya i was hiding looking for something to take pussy boy out with haha.... -Cary
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Post by phantom12321 on Jul 8, 2007 15:55:22 GMT -5
I too have some camp pictures to post
***NOTE*** If anyone found a green airsoft gun battery down on the barge or in their things after the last battle PLEASE contact me. It's the kind of battery that goes in a thompson. THANKS :-)
GREAT EVENT. Can't wait to another, possible with less sand
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Post by mg42 on Jul 8, 2007 16:17:43 GMT -5
...next time though.. lets have the germans back a little ways... because I mean when we are starting staring down your barrels at like 15yds..... it makes things... welll how do i say it DIFFICULT!!! -Cary Cary, What the hell do you think real war is like? IT IS DIFFICULT if you didn't know! ;D Either way that was an AWESOME event...
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Post by jaeger on Jul 8, 2007 16:17:51 GMT -5
Really Great event guys! I think the battles went quite well despite the heat. The area was perfectly suited for airsofting. Thanks again to Will for letting us come. Also, great shots Allshaus! Hope we can have another event there some time.
Nick
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Post by Tough Ombre on Jul 8, 2007 16:26:11 GMT -5
...next time though.. lets have the germans back a little ways... because I mean when we are starting staring down your barrels at like 15yds..... it makes things... welll how do i say it DIFFICULT!!! -Cary Cary, What the hell do you think real war is like? IT IS DIFFICULT if you didn't know! ;D Either way that was an AWESOME event... No.... we got off the "Landing craft" and the krauts were literally 15 yds away... there should be some sort of a distance were we can actually move you know... plus way too little allies so it was easy to shoot us.... I dont care... i just think that next time... they shouldnt be in pistol range lol. -Cary
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Post by mg42 on Jul 8, 2007 16:28:16 GMT -5
Think of D-day, Cary! The GI's didn't have to much of a chance there either....
and i think the distance compared between REAL guns and airsoft guns is to proportion LOL either way I see what your saying...but it was still a good event!
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Post by jaeger on Jul 8, 2007 16:29:29 GMT -5
By the way, did you ever find that ammo can?
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Post by Tough Ombre on Jul 8, 2007 16:32:04 GMT -5
Ya i did... THANK GOD!! it was submerged on the bottom like we though.. Pussy Boy was searching the shore for it w/ his binoculars and saw something that looked close floating.. turned out to be seaweed... but then i stumbled on what i thought was a rock... looked down and it was my can about 3 feet under water. -Cary
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jul 8, 2007 20:20:27 GMT -5
After-Action Report MTO Event This was really a one-of-a-kind event experience. I'm glad I was able to go. THE END. ;D Okay- just kidding - the real report follows: Preparation: The preparation done on the WWII boards was sufficient to organize the event. Both leaders, ROFF (short for Rotten Ole Fuhrer Franz) and 45th Sergeant gave out enough information through public and private posts to ensure a timely arrival of participants and so the event went off without delays and a mass of confusion. Good work! The arrival of members began on Thursday at 45th Sergeant's home I was told by some of the players and although this was outside the official scope of the event they were camping and enjoying each others company. Friday is when players were to arrive officially. The U.S. camp was set up at 45th Sergeant's home and the accommodations their were very comfortable. The Allies had the back yard of a comfortable suburban home to rest in for the night before the attack. No fighting took place at this location although they did conduct some pre-invasion training at the yard (it was ample in size and privacy) to keep the jitters away. They were supposed to attend a movie that night at a 1930's styled theater in town but not enough guys had Class A or Class B uniforms along so that activity was canceled. Then they settled in for some rest. All-in-all, the Allies enjoyed some pre-invasion training and some camp camaraderie. Again for this event however there was no general meeting of all-hands to discuss the scenario or provide a safety brief or chrono the weapons. To mitigate this, many of the players have played together before and know one another and their weapons. Nevertheless - I'm going to make my next airsoft purchase a chronograph. I just think it is part of the WW2AA way of doing things. BTW-for this event local police where notified in advance by the landowners. A great idea. We will do that in Wisconsin as well. German activity on Friday was a bit more strenuous. They arrived at 45th Sergeant's home (five initial members) with two more who arrived early on Saturday before the battle kicked off. The five who arrived on Friday were then guided to the play area. Wow! The play area was every bit as impressive as the photos indicated in the MTO thread. The home was high enough above the beach area to never have been in danger of a stray PB. There was a staircase winding down several hundred feet to the beach area below. This got to be quite a trek carrying gear and going back and forth and while it wasn't convenient it did ensure privacy. The home had a government installation on the north side (ie. no neighbors) and on the south side, forest and privacy fences made the area impossible to see. The result was that although the total playing area was small it was private and big enough. The worries over whether the site was suitable for a skirmish dissolved upon seeing the place in-person. It was quite excellent for the intended purpose. The Higgins craft or landing barge was an old ore tender that was beached along the shore and it was the American starting point. Anyways, back on point... the Jerries arrived to unprepared beach front. They reconnoitered the area and began the arduous task of preparing for the invasion. I had brought 100 sandbags along for the event and the other fellows strung barbed wire (stripped of any barbs) dug anti-tank trenches and made other ad hoc obstacles for the Allies. Essentially the Germans made three defensive fighting positions. The main one which was highly visible was on the left flank and was intended to be a pillbox. The middle DFP was a position set back in the woods a bit with firing positions for three men and then a two man fortified foxhole on the right flank that allowed enfilade fire down the beach. This position only held one rifleman but was far enough away from the action for the AEG's to have a hard time reaching it. It was the only position that remained unknown to Allied recon. Recon: The Allies infiltrated on Friday night and Saturday morning (2:30 am) for a peek at German positions. 45th Sergeant crept in wearing a German uniform and was observed by me but we passed the time in discussion of how the event was to unfold. I didn't know other American troops were spying our positions. I write it off as good photo recon before the invasion. Like I said they didn't know about the right flank foxhole until they were under fire. Heh-heh. The rest of Friday, the Germans dug out their defensive positions, cleared fields of fire and then settled in for some well deserved sleep. The night was uneventful except for the recon visit and a raccoon nosing around the German bread supply. It scampered off but came back on orders (almost as if it was trained) and took off again after it was fed. Execution: The morning arrived and with it German reinforcements. Seven German defenders and Nine US attackers. One was a medic who was off-limits and whose job was to re-gen the U.S. forces. Admittedly, the odds were stacked against the U.S. side. The rules discussed the previous night with 45th Sergeant were this: The U.S. forces would be led down to the play area blindfolded and placed on the ore tender by two U.S. players who already knew the beach front geography (45th Sergeant and Pvt Osler). The invasion would begin with a firecracker device and 45th Sergeant yelling "hit the beach" at which time US forces could remove their blindfolds and attack. They were supposed to then jump from the ore tender into the water and make their way forward. They would be completely disoriented and unaware of their surroundings and under fire. Who could ask for a more realistic experience? I could only think of the opening sequence of SPR. As it went they did line up against the ore tender and not on it and then launched the attack. Missing the crucial wet boot experience for the first skirmish. The re-gen rules were also not followed. The plan was for players when hit to head to the barge and wait until there were four members and launch another wave. The Allies were given twenty waves like this and then they would loose. The German re-gen rules were one player could re-gen another in-place but only once and then the German would have to trek to the top of the stairs and make his way back. It was never clear how many times a German could do this (a flaw in planning) but it never became an issue simply because the Germans didn't die much. The first skirmish was still quite successful for both sides. The Germans had plenty of targets and hits. It was like the ducks going by at the carnival shooting gallery. The allies called their hits and then called a medic and got touched and kept advancing. In this manner the U.S. forces made their way forward and Pvt. Osler (his parents provided the venue) finally made it to the pillbox and in a moment of battle fury reached over the bags and sprayed the defender behind. This exposed the left flank and also exposed the fatal flaw in the German defense plan as Will swept up the line spraying German defenders as he went. His heroics won the day for the Allies. Rationalizing the skirmish after the fact we decided as a group that even though the re-gen rules weren't followed the effect was the same as if the defenders had been overwhelmed by attacking troops. There was one problem to this way of thinking and that was that since the Germans expected those crying hit to return to the barge we stopped peppering them. Then they would get up and attack again which was not the direction we expected them to head. The second skirmish resolved these problems. First off, the US forces understood the re-gen rules and followed them. They also had a taste of the water upon the kick off of the invasion and this added to their troubles. See the post above where one found equipment in the lake. (Cool!) The second skirmish was very satisfying for the defenders. U.S. soldiers would be hit and head back for more of the same in a follow-on wave. Will tried to recreate his successful attack on the pillbox but this time that flank had been reinforced and instead he ended up taking a chest full of 9mm from 20-yds away. (heh-heh) Ersatzjack2 won his duel with the US sniper (Tommygunner) unlike the first skirmish where TG made an incredible shot to take him out. The event finished off with Capt Zak sweeping U.S. positions in a flanking maneuver single-handedly getting behind the Allies defending and taking back the beach before another wave could launch. Zak's bravado encouraged a full frontal assault by the other defending Axis and the battle ended with a flourish as Zak executed three captives in front of the spectators (a couple in a kayak had pulled up and watched the battle unfold from a safe distance and rewarded players with a nice round of applause). The U.S. players really "hammed it up" and fell like dominoes into the water. It was pretty neat looking and too bad we didn't get that on film. I want to make the point here that it was the Falschirmjaeger responsible for this action and that the 9th SS and 17th SS along with 2d Panzer have "clean hands" in this affair. Along the way there was some additional skirmishing at the end of the first skirmish where the Americans fought their way up the staircase but it was against mostly phantom opposition as the German players had already conceded defeat and were resting in the host yard at the top of the staircase. So that when 45th Sergeant arrived at the top and sprayed me as an unarmed German with my hand in the air I was a bit peeved but his burst was short and he stopped as soon as he realized I was out of play. Actually, it replicated a fact of war. When an attacking force pays dearly they become none too kind to the vanquished and this is to some degree what I think took place here. The Allies took their hits one after another and didn't have much to show for it. Frustrating. We'll have to repay them with some kind of Bulge scenario where they get to sit and we have to take the punishment. I added some pictures to give a feel for what the battle field looked like. I took the shots from the defending and attackers perspective and hope it aids in the understanding. Lastly but certainly not least, thanks to the parents of Pvt Osler and 45th Sergeant for providing the space and especially for the fruit and drinks served on Saturday. The event ended with two organized skirmishes and around 2pm. There was time for another but the Allies were fagged out and Germans were bushed (sorry, I just couldn't resist ) due to terrain and heat and the allure of a beach and freshwater swimming won over the participants loyalty. Finally movies where staged that will hopefully be posted later. Along with a shot of a German Shepard who attended for the down time and added flair. Defensive positions: A view of the pillbox from the allied drop off point. Distances are deceptive and all images look closer then they really where but they were still close. For the first skirmish the Allies had only the cover they could find (ie. none). During the second skirmish they were allowed to create two ad hoc positions (a foxhole and a brush line that you'll see in pictures posted in other posts) My pictures show the state of the beach for the first skirmish. This shows the pillbox view. A view of the middle strong point. The barbed fence was intended to get attackers to move towards the foxhole with the rifleman in it. Views from the middle position View toward the right flank rifleman's position from the jump off point and finally, view of the foxhole. Oh look - there's my Mauser. I threw in a couple of Camp Prep below: MG42 setting up for a relaxing night on the beach Ersatzjack2 working tirelessly. I gave out long before him. Erich proud of his perch. He paid for his glory with a close hit to his hand in the first skirmish but shook it off after he rubbed a little dirt into it. It was a great time. Next event will be the christening of our land up north in the Town of Nashville, WI. Looking at the 16-19 August time frame right now and this is to ensure max Midwest participation and not an attempt to step on the East Coast event. So I hope that no one gets upset in that direction. We have 68-acres and a lake with blacktop, dirt, and snowmobile trails on a hilly mature forest setting. More specifics will be posted in a separate thread and Ersatzjack2 will be organizing this event since I'll be busy the next few weeks with other duties. So clean the sand out of your weapons and start thinking about car pooling for the ride. Numbers won't be a problem for the next event which should have plenty of road march and maneuver possibilities.
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Post by mg42 on Jul 8, 2007 21:20:31 GMT -5
To make that Review of the event more perfect...There could have been more pictures of me! ;D
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 8, 2007 21:37:37 GMT -5
Zak!!!!! There goes the FJ rep as fair and honorable foes We once had a group of SS at one of our events report to me that they had not only executed a civilian but burned them and left them in a ditch to boot....I responded with your not suppose to kill the civillians unless they are armed...and thier platoon leader responded what do you expect we're SS Anyways gentlemen, Sounds like another great event. Of note you can find a decent chronograph on ebay for around 75.00. We use it around here quite a bit. I recently bought one so I could start chronoing my bolt actions and other creations. I will not be able to attend either event in August as we are building ot our fall events and other priorities around here. I will hopefully get up that way someday soon though.
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Post by KippySmi7h on Jul 8, 2007 23:49:35 GMT -5
Awesome event. Good to meet you all. Sorry about the first skirmish's medic rules. And yes, next event I want some trigger time. That last execution was fun. Poor Jer, we got his seats wet. Thanks to ROFF, 45th Sgt., And Olser for a fun event.
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Post by 45thengineer on Jul 9, 2007 1:10:16 GMT -5
I must say that was an awesome event, except the fact that we were practicaly handing ourselves over the the Germans. And the sand certainly did not contribute to our gear and guns. Oh and thanks Jeff for getting me all wet and taking over the beach single handed (no one likes a show off). Pvt. DeBartolo Combat Engineer 45th Infantry Division
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Post by Gordak on Jul 9, 2007 10:52:57 GMT -5
WOW that looked AWESOME!!! Im in shock Congrats guys! -Gordak
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Post by phantom12321 on Jul 9, 2007 10:53:02 GMT -5
***Again, sorry to remind you, but I'm looking for a THOMPSON BATTERY and a BLUE BEDSHEET The battery was left at the Oslo home, and the bedsheet disappeared from my k-rations crate
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Post by Capt. Zak on Jul 9, 2007 13:59:42 GMT -5
I'm hoping that was a "period" blue bed sheet Charlie! ;D
Pussy-boy...OUT!
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Post by TommyGunner on Jul 9, 2007 17:12:25 GMT -5
I loved when Cary jumped in the water off the barge during the second scenerio and he went striaght under, the only thing you saw was his colt as he deperatly tried to keep it out of the water, the hell with drowning save my colt is what was going through his mind.
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