gryphon
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Post by gryphon on Sept 5, 2007 8:05:44 GMT -5
Well, Franz, it has been said that War IS Hell. Here's the proof.
Anybody who wants to gear up and come spend an autumn Saturday skirmishing with us is welcome to attend. We're really looking forward to meeting you all!
I'm waiting on a couple of PM confirmations, then I'll update the numbers (in accordance with The Prophesy, of course.)
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Russian
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Post by Russian on Sept 5, 2007 19:02:04 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, does your team play with any captured weapons rules? Or, are weapons dropped by KIA and MIA soldiers off limits? Just a curious question, as I'd like to know the rules for the game beforehand.
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Lev
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Post by Lev on Sept 5, 2007 21:28:22 GMT -5
I for one would prefer that folks not be in the habit of picking up my weapon and using it. That's just my humble opinion at least. I'd hate for somebody to pick up my gun, use it, and then have some sort of problem develop. That could lead to unnecessary confusion and drama.
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Post by 2ndranger on Sept 5, 2007 21:41:34 GMT -5
I do have to agree with Udo...Im not sure where this has happend, but picking up anothers weapon is kinda a hazard. You break it your paying for it...yet again...im not sure where this has happend.
Franz
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Russian
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Post by Russian on Sept 5, 2007 21:55:11 GMT -5
We used this rule at the MTO event, so when the Germans ran scared for the top of the hill, the Allies gained about four Kar 98's, and your Kar 98 scope, I believe, Franz.
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Ersatzjack
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Post by Ersatzjack on Sept 5, 2007 21:58:19 GMT -5
Gryphon and Ersatzjack2 are busy this week and plan to get together via PM's on the weekend to hash out scenario ideas and rules. I for one don't mind if players make the decision. You shoot, capture or kill an opponent and ask if you can use their weapon and then it's their choice. Some will say yes and others no. It's like Mel Gibson shouted in Braveheart ... "Freeedommm!"
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Post by 2ndranger on Sept 5, 2007 22:16:32 GMT -5
Haha, sounds good, if you ask and they say yes go nuts, if not, as the car alarm say "Step away from the Tanaka Kar98k"... Good luck guys.
Franz
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Post by Capt. Zak on Sept 6, 2007 5:47:44 GMT -5
Speaking of k98's...does yours work Frank?
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rkrueger
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Post by rkrueger on Sept 6, 2007 11:43:45 GMT -5
Its about 5 1/2 Hrs for me, but i will see what i can do, i am on vacation that weekend.. will keep posted
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Post by lordashtaroth on Sept 6, 2007 12:51:43 GMT -5
If there's one next year I'd be able to plan for it and make it and hopefully bring some ND and MN guys along as well. I've played with Gryphon at Codename Thunder 4 and he and his group are really great guys and I know anyone who goes to this will have a great time.
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Post by 2ndranger on Sept 6, 2007 14:41:34 GMT -5
Yes, Capie-tone, my kar98k is alive and better than ever!
Franz
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Post by KippySmi7h on Sept 9, 2007 1:03:41 GMT -5
Most of these rules are from thunder...
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Ersatzjack
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Post by Ersatzjack on Sept 9, 2007 11:15:23 GMT -5
I will start with the FPS rules. I admit my bias at the beginning. The reason I like the springers is that it only takes one bb to do the job. This keeps debris down on the field and frankly keeps the tactics closer to WW2 than WWI. Remember how in WWI the offense was stagnated because of MGs? Well, armor tactics changed that dynamic in WW2 but in airsoft there really isn't artillery or armor or airpower to introduce that fluidity so when everyone is carrying AEGs the defense really gets a boost. I know that other factors figure in here so lets just start with my premise that low rates of fire introduce a more interesting game. As the limits stand right now, I will probably not bring a rifle. I mean I give up the ability to be competitive. A 100-ft minimum distance is a long way. If I am shooting in the 430-440 fps range then that gives me only a marginal range advantage in the first place. The use of two people to operate a sniper weapon (sniper term used loosely here) is another huge drawback. I can live with a 20-ft standoff range and no partner out there. That would still make it worthwhile to carry a rifle for the fun factor of pitting yourself against an AEG. In the event the rifle has velocity in the 450-500 fps range you probably need to ask why you need that much power but if allowed and it seems they are then limit the use to trusted individuals who have demonstrated good range and fire discipline in the past. That would mean that new guys should probably stay away with those guns. Work up to that type of play is my suggestion. If I was out there with a 500-fps gun I would take no shots under 50-feet or so and never aim for skin. This area is a close call and to be honest I haven't fired a 500-fps rifle and can't comment intelligently but only from the knowledge that a 400-fps copper bb sits lodged in my face and has been there for years. Up close, 500fps would be wicked. The restriction on 8mm bbs seems wrong. I think those are pretty safe, no? Bigger bb = more surface area = less penetrative power = who uses them anyhow?
The limits being higher on crew served MGs is IMHO wrong. An AEG is an AEG is an AEG. I don't know about the rest of you but I like about 360 tops for SMGs and 380-400 for all other AEGs semi or full auto. 900 RPM is a lot of bb hits in a short time. Anything over 400-fps in multiple hits I feel is dangerous. They also have the advantage of firing up close. With crew served MGs there shouldn't be the requirement to have two guys unless the thing has a huge magazine capacity. Then I think you require two guys to have it operate. You mentioned a "bang" hit. I used that method at the NY event when a target practically walked over me but it resulted in his partner then "banging" me. (That sounds bad ). No big deal and I like bang rules. But you say that bang isn't used in some circumstances and so my question is what then?
Boots with metal not allowed. Wahaaa!!@ I love my boots. I promise to stay off your armored car and not go where they will damage anything. I don't have other period boots to wear. I wanna wear my boots. Is this an area of change allowed?
I think full face coverage should be optional and then I'm ready to comply with everything else. I plan on bringing a new bio-bb and maybe we can test them. But I'll have the old plastic standbys handy. - Otto
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Post by KippySmi7h on Sept 9, 2007 12:37:08 GMT -5
Oh. I didn't know you had the hook ups with JB.
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Post by Warlord on Sept 9, 2007 15:10:16 GMT -5
This event looks like its going to be incredible! I wish I could make it out there... Good luck everyone, and I hope to see a lot of pics and video!
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Post by Capt. Zak on Sept 9, 2007 21:01:10 GMT -5
So can biodegradable & non-bio be used? I'm confused.
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Ersatzjack
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Post by Ersatzjack on Sept 9, 2007 21:54:07 GMT -5
Zak - Right now the rule is non-bio's only. I'm going to get some of a newer type of bio and bring them along for testing to see if one can be found that doesn't raise concerns about shards. They are advertised as "TSD Tactical’s New Bio-degradable .20g Competition Grade BBs: BIO-180" and are carried by www.airsoftsd.com/actually, right now they recommend blazingtoys.com to get these These folks are gonna sponsor the next NY event in part according to burt (board name). It would be nice to have a reliable bio alternative to plastic. BTW - I REALLY liked the old avatar (pre Kermit). Uber creative.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Sept 10, 2007 6:11:01 GMT -5
No bio bb's. Good...I hate using them. ;D But do all soldats with a K98 qualify as "snipers"? If that's the case...it seems a bit odd. I would rather get hit with one k98 round that 30 AEG rounds.
Ersatzjack, Frank made the new avitar so I can't take the credit. But I must agree it looks good.
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gryphon
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Post by gryphon on Sept 10, 2007 9:01:02 GMT -5
Thank you all for your feedback regarding skirmish safety rules, it was extremely helpful. Thanks also to esatzjack2 for two out of three scenario outlines!
I have deleted my earlier rule-related posts to avoid confusion, and moved the skirmish scenario schedule and game rules to Post #1 of this thread. We will also have waivers available online to print out soon - I'll add the link once it's ready.
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ersatzjack2
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Post by ersatzjack2 on Sept 10, 2007 9:19:31 GMT -5
Answer to Zak - sniper rules - The previously posted sniper rules are out. New fps per weapon is posted. Weapons firing in excess of 400 fps (i.e. rifles that can do that) are not allowed to be fired at opponents within 30 ft. Carry a pistol for close shots. Basically, if you have a springer or gas gun that fires hot don't shoot someone who is real close to you. Go to a pistol or increase the distance. If you are real close you can use the Bang rule. Snipers do not have to work with a partner, they just need to practice restraint at close range.
BTW: There is an update with scenario information at the top of page one.
Also - we are in need of a dedicated video person. If interested, contact gryphon or myself in a PM.
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Lev
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Post by Lev on Sept 13, 2007 17:14:03 GMT -5
I think I might put together a small kitchen for coffee and goulash. Axis Soldaten are especially welcome, allies will be tolerated Please bring your mess tins and period cups. I won't be providing these for you.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Sept 13, 2007 19:12:03 GMT -5
Sounds good, I will probably see you there! -Cary
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jaeger
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Post by jaeger on Sept 14, 2007 10:37:30 GMT -5
So this is a question for the midwest WW2AA members. Are our standard safety goggles (the clear ones provided by Capt. Zak ok? We have always used these in the past. Also, just to be sure, non-WW2 weapons are ok?
Nick
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gryphon
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Post by gryphon on Sept 14, 2007 11:09:56 GMT -5
Your goggles are OK as long as:
• Their impact rating is ANSI z.87.1. • They fully encompass the eyes, with no gaps. • They are fitted with a head strap to keep them from falling off during a game. • The lens or mesh frame is sturdy enough to keep the lens in place during play.
This is a Green level event, so non-WWII guns are OK within limits. M14s, for example, are fine since they look a lot like Tokarev SVT-40s, and we can live with AKs and MP5s. SAWs and M4s and SCARs and G36s with monster mags, point-sights and flashlights on rails, however, are considerably less cool.
I will have piles of burlap strips and jute twine onsite. The plan is to require burlap "camo wrapping" of any obviously non-period weapons.
Check out my post "$20 M38 Mosin Nagant" on the Technical board. The base gun I use would make a convincing-looking springer Gew43 as well....
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Ersatzjack
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Post by Ersatzjack on Sept 19, 2007 23:54:28 GMT -5
Springer Gew43??? That wouldn't do it justice. You don't cock the G43. Instead you just pull the trigger 10-times. Nope, we need AEG semi-auto internals for a G43 project. Oh and by "We" here, I actually mean you. You seem to have the technical know how. If your finished project looks good and shoots semi-auto then count me in as a customer. I'll get a discount for giving you the idea, right?
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gryphon
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Post by gryphon on Sept 21, 2007 11:53:46 GMT -5
Here's the roster as of 23 Sept: Russians - 6 total. Gryphon, Boris, and 4 other ISG members with the BA-64 armored scout car mustering as the 198th Rifle Division. Germans - 10 total. Capt. Zak, Udo, the Ersatz brothers, Matthew, and Alban mustering as 9th SS; with Franz, Russian, Neoptolemus, and 1 ISG member mustering as 17th SS. Paramilitaries - 5 total. Armsdealer from www.airsoftbattlezone.com, Cerys the Anti-tank Girl with her Panzerfaust, and 3 from Team GOPMAT in Wausau mustering as a Volkssturm unit. Americans - 8 total. Tagg, and Kerrick from Wolf Recon, mustering as the 45th Infantry Division; Tommygunner, Second to None, KRaddatz, and 1 ISG member with a Jeep mustering as 2nd Armored Recon; and Sgt. Tom with Cpl. Mills as 2nd Rangers. PM me if I've missed anyone who wants to come skirmish in Neillsville, WI on 13 Oct....
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alban
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Post by alban on Sept 25, 2007 20:36:08 GMT -5
Will the Russian's share any of there chiorni with the Germans or Americans by any chance? ;D
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gryphon
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Post by gryphon on Sept 28, 2007 23:10:31 GMT -5
I have posted our game waiver in the Midwest Events section under the topic heading "Patton Unleashed Waiver." Print out a copy, sign it yourself and have a parent or legal guardian sign also if you are under 18, and bring it along with you when you register to play on Saturday morning. See you all in a couple of weeks!
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sharpshooter
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Post by sharpshooter on Oct 1, 2007 16:09:43 GMT -5
Anyone from the Michigan area going?
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Post by waxmandave1 on Oct 2, 2007 18:22:22 GMT -5
I will forward to seeing you all in the feild. Although this will be my first airsoft event I am a veteran reenactor of 32 years. and for you Allied types I have a reputation of taking no prisoners.
Koehler 110thPzgr
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