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Post by phantom12321 on Dec 14, 2007 15:26:21 GMT -5
I'm starting this post to help encourage discussion and group input on our Midwest events.
If you have any ideas of scenarios, spawn systems, or more importantly locations for an event, this would be the place to suggest it.
In addition, this would be the place to start assembling all the elements for a new event with the "sandbox" of options we already have. Those options are as follows.
Locations: --Lake Forest Beach: Status: [glow=green,2,300]usable with permission[/glow] Features: 60-80 yard long beach with access to water, Large hill with foliage and sand dune like places leading up to a house and yard. Concrete foot path allows for movement of equipment down to beach with relative safety. Suggested Scenarios: Beach Invasion, River Crossing
--Capt Zak Farm: Status: [glow=red,2,300]unknown[/glow] Details: It was offered at one time that a farm in western Indiana might be available for use as a reenacting space. However, threat of highway construction made many wary of it. More details and whether or not it is usable is to come soon.
Please suggest more locations!
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Post by Bull on Dec 14, 2007 19:23:25 GMT -5
We've got land down here in STL. Yes it's a paintball park however we have a LOT of land that is ONLY for airsoft use. We've been continually expanding our village and have started to build bunkers and trenches throughout our AO. I think it's perfect for a Normandy type of scenario (I had planned on doing a Normandy scenario here... just not enough WWII airsofters) as the terrain and man made obstacles offers itself to quite a few different objectives. We've even got an open area that can be used as a drop zone/rally point for the airborne ;D Here's our groups Flickr gallery if you want to check out some pics of the field. Everything (save the Wildcat, Irene and Colleseum albums) are of the field. During the summer it tends to get very thick in terms of vegitation but late winter/early spring it's quite bearable. www.flickr.com/photos/stlouisairsoftplayers/sets/In addition to the offer of the land here in STL I'd just like to say I'd LOVE to see a full blown Normandy scenario. Doc and I were talking about this at the last event. Late night Airborne drop (scattered of course) so we can get some time doing what we do and then the Infantry can 'land' somewhere in the early morning and we'd have to link up with them before pushing onto bigger objectives. Oh, and a Battle of the Bulge event would be cool. We did one down here in STL last year with pretty good success albeit not everyone was in correct period uniform. And Market Garden... and Operation: Varsity...
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Post by Rock of the Marne on Jan 15, 2008 17:27:08 GMT -5
has anyone on here tried an Operation Market Garden Event? just curious
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Post by KippySmi7h on Jan 15, 2008 20:02:03 GMT -5
I don't think so, but I'm not sure. That wouldn't be fair though, because that was an all Airborne operation.
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 15, 2008 21:46:17 GMT -5
God knows we have enough of them...................yeah thats right I went there.......mhmmmmm.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Jan 15, 2008 22:07:56 GMT -5
I don't think so, but I'm not sure. That wouldn't be fair though, because that was an all Airborne operation. ....IF that were true, then what would the Garden part of Operation Market Garden stand for. What about a Sicily/Italy/MTO event? My Blank Reenacting Unit usually do those in the summer due to the hotter weather.
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Post by spitfire740 on Jan 16, 2008 15:58:00 GMT -5
we've done all of those scenarios, we're trying to mix it up. Right now we're working on introducing eastern front events, such as the Wisconsin event in Feb.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jan 16, 2008 16:11:02 GMT -5
we've done all of those scenarios, we're trying to mix it up. Right now we're working on introducing eastern front events, such as the Wisconsin event in Feb. I must have missed that one. Market Garden is my favorite if I had to pick one campaign that interested me in Holland (is that good now BP? Jeeshh!). I wouldn't mind doing that one again sometime. Spitfire is right about the slant right now towards Ost Front action. Right now at least in the Midwest from where I'm from, the action is German/Russian. With our event in February being followed up by a Neillsville, WI event sometime in April (weekend of the 12th?). Capt Zak also let slip that he is looking into land in Dixon, IL and if that becomes a reality it would be a great central location for MN, IL, WI and St. Louis types to attend. But right now there is no firm information on that.
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Post by binarypunisher on Jan 16, 2008 18:20:30 GMT -5
I must have missed that one. Market Garden is my favorite if I had to pick one campaign that interested me in France. That wasnt in France
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 16, 2008 18:40:03 GMT -5
Hmmmmm well this is just my opinion but we should really mix tings up a bit and do something really new................oh lets say a PTO event!!!!!!!!! Damn when the hell am I gonna use all this USMC gear. ;D
But seriously I think we should do more MTO campaignes. Liek the Gothic Line
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Post by KippySmi7h on Jan 16, 2008 18:44:50 GMT -5
I don't think so, but I'm not sure. That wouldn't be fair though, because that was an all Airborne operation. ....IF that were true, then what would the Garden part of Operation Market Garden stand for. What about a Sicily/Italy/MTO event? My Blank Reenacting Unit usually do those in the summer due to the hotter weather. All the Americans in that Op were Airborne. And we had a MTO event in July. But diversity at events are good.
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Post by Red on Jan 16, 2008 19:44:44 GMT -5
Operation Varsity/Operation Plunder... I can do 17th Airborne...
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Jan 17, 2008 9:31:37 GMT -5
Guys: my suggestion would be to create realistic scenarios based on the size of our different units. Realistically I don’t feel we have enough troops to be acting out huge battles. Parts of them perhaps…
A suggestion:
A Simple patrol scenario themed around the terrain for the theater comes to mind. You could easily play out a scenario of two moving patrols that clash. With a little more creativity you can create some objectives such as having the allied patrol map out hidden bunkers or field emplacements. The Germans of course are to keep the allies from discovering them. Then at the end of the game you can compare the German map over the allied map. You will need two equally sized out maps. One for the Germans with all field emplacements mapped out on it. One for the allies that is blank. To make things more interesting you can have the Germans keep the map at a bunker with the German field commander. This would perhaps give the allied patrol a chance to capture the map (intelligence)
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Post by jaeger on Jan 17, 2008 11:27:13 GMT -5
Does anyone else have land that could be used for events? The more land possibilities we nail down, the more events we can plan. Just curious.
Nick
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Post by Tough Ombre on Jan 17, 2008 20:38:13 GMT -5
You know, Maj Ray has a point. An event like the hmm D-day event comes to mind.............. 10 guys represented thousands! I would say what would be great.. is not name a specific battle... just say.. alright this is based around Such and Such month in.... France... or Italy... or so on and so forth... Then just map out objectives and stuff. Just my .02$ -Cary
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Post by KippySmi7h on Jan 17, 2008 22:00:44 GMT -5
Right, but we only have a beach to work with so we could only do invasions. Unless we just said it was the battle of blah blah blah on a beach...
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Post by phantom12321 on Jan 17, 2008 22:24:21 GMT -5
Well, lets not forget the offer that Bull put up about St. Louis, it's a bit of a haul, but in good weather it's a pretty easy shot for most of the IL guys.
Also did we ever get a clear yes or no on the Indiana field? or would we have to dodge cars to be there?
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Post by ray on Jan 18, 2008 13:05:48 GMT -5
You know, Maj Ray has a point. An event like the hmm D-day event comes to mind.............. 10 guys represented thousands! I would say what would be great.. is not name a specific battle... just say.. alright this is based around Such and Such month in.... France... or Italy... or so on and so forth... Then just map out objectives and stuff. Just my .02$ -Cary Even if you wish to name the battle, you can focus on what part of the beach; such as Dog1 etc. or just along what coast line. Heck, maybe your Higgins craft got caught in the current and you ended up a bit down the shore on a less impressive but still defended beachfront. Just food for thought!
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Post by Lev on Jan 18, 2008 15:56:07 GMT -5
Warning! Shameless Wisconsin plug to follow: There are two events in Wisconsin coming up; one in February and one in April. Both offer plenty of room for all. One of the sites, Neilsville, is well established with buildings, fortifications, etc. It can't be beat! I dare say that the Illinois contingent will have to suck it up and drive a bit. The reality of the matter is that the closer you are to Chicagoland, the harder it's going to be to find land for this kind of activity. Don't all you Illinois boys have cabins in Wisconsin anyhow that you drive to on the weekends? Go north my friends! The land and events ALREADY EXIST...all you need to do is attend and make them better with your support I don't think anybody has a secret 200 acre plot on the outskirts of Shaumberg And all of this is coming from a Minnesotan who hates the Packers as much as any avid Bears fan. Say what you want about Wisconsin's fetish for cheese, large fiberglass animals and Badger football, but they've got land in spades.
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Post by 2ndranger on Jan 18, 2008 16:27:58 GMT -5
We currently are creating our own fields, and with reenactments and shows, its difficult for us to even consider driving away to out-of-stater events.
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Post by Lev on Jan 18, 2008 17:24:06 GMT -5
We currently are creating our own fields, and with reenactments and shows, its difficult for us to even consider driving away to out-of-stater events. Franz Then perhaps we should re-title this thread. It should read "Ideas for new Events (in Illinois)."
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 19, 2008 3:20:52 GMT -5
Wisconsin and Illinois are part of the midwest. We still need to come up with some types of scenerios for the upcomming events. We have two fields that we have full access too that we can do what we want with. I say we do the freaking gothic line with fixed psotions on either side. sicne it was WW1 esque fighting on that line we shoud recreate that with fixed Mg positions. Fortified areas, and an allied line facing a German line with large scale assaults instead of small squad to squad fighting.
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Post by spitfire740 on Jan 19, 2008 12:46:39 GMT -5
5 hour + drive is a long time for a bunch of kids to come in the middle of the school year. In the summer it will be more realistic, but there are alot of variables that need to be considered.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Jan 19, 2008 16:23:23 GMT -5
Udo, i know there are great events up there, and a lot of us know too. But driving almost 7 hours for me is just a little over the top... especially for an airsoft event. I'm working on talking with a friend of the family who owns some hunting land down by Kankakee, that could be used. I just havent seen him in a while. -Cary
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jan 19, 2008 17:03:56 GMT -5
Well just to let you know that whatever you guys decide to do or not do regarding Wisconsin events we can live with and respect your decisions on an individual basis. I just don't want to see this become a Wisconsin versus Illinois deal. There's no point in that. To prove it, we (as many of the 3rd PzGr as we can organize) will still be perfectly happy attending an Illinois event when you manage to pull one off, and I'll support your efforts as I can. As for me, I didn't spend all this dough on my WWII stuff to let a road trip stand in the way. Heck, I like road trips. majorray - you can tell he comes from the "Combat" school of thought on skirmishing. He's right. You don't need a major campaign to model your event after. A patrol here, an asssault there and pretty soon you have a good day of skirmishing, a la an episode of Combat with Sarge and Kirby. That's actually sorta what we have planned a little in February. Lot's of opportunity for road patrols, and taking out the MG nest. Sometimes majorray has good ideas and sometimes not, like when he said I should shoot him in the back with the Stg-44 to see if it was working at night. He didn't think that was such a good idea afterwards.
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Post by KippySmi7h on Jan 19, 2008 19:01:16 GMT -5
Udo, i know there are great events up there, and a lot of us know too. But driving almost 7 hours for me is just a little over the top... especially for an airsoft event. Yea I hear ya....especially when you're not old enough to drive. In the winter though, paintball is closed for the season, so if us Illinois guys wanted we could always try to arrange an event at an paintball/airsoft place (OMg Noo WAYzz!) And there wouldn't be any paint because it's off season. Just a thought.
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Jan 22, 2008 12:02:26 GMT -5
Well heck, it got the job done, didn’t it? I just didn’t think the entire plan through; forgetting the pain factor of being shot with a .30 gram bb at approximately 75ft in the bitter cold of the night. Not the most brilliant idea true! But again, we got the job done!!!
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Post by Capt. Zak on Jan 24, 2008 7:42:56 GMT -5
I wanted to ring in here with a few suggestions as well. First off, "generic" battles for right now seem the way to go. Determinning a setting (ie. France 1944, Italy 1943, Holland 1944) leaves endless possibilities as far as scenarios. Second, I feel too much emphasis is put on theatrics and "scenarios". The main focus should be objectives. FOLLOWING orders seems to be a big problem as well. Objectives are designed to maximize action and some feel that "doing their own thing" is best. I am of course referring to the events that were held at Jer's house and the ones in Lake Forest.
Now, with all that said. I still have access to the field in NW Indiana. However, a better field opportunity is in the works. The field is in Dixon, IL. It is about 25 acres and has a ton of potential. A trench system is planned, a period town set up and plent of open fields and bunker buildng possibilities.
I plan to start the trench system this spring. I will need plenty of volunteers with shovels. My plan is to have a training weekend where units can come out, camp, dig, and have a bit of target practice. We need a field in Illinios, so we need to work. Once the field is ready we can hold events as often as we can get people to come out.
My last question is about donations. I'm looking at a $5.00 or $10.00 donation per man for events. This will help fund the bunkers & town structures. I don't feel it is too much to ask for an "official" WW2AA site here in IL. What are your thoughts?
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Post by rkrueger on Jan 24, 2008 8:28:28 GMT -5
You know my thoughts are always good.... I have no problem helping out and donating where is will help on the field... I am in.
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 24, 2008 18:25:47 GMT -5
You know Im good for helping in the summer Jeff. I think that we need props now. All events thus far have been in wilderness settings with little or no props. Its getting old and simple things like building faces, representitive Arty positions and a how ever elaborate of a trench system that is wanted will add alot to the game. Since we are starting to abtain more rifles, MGs, Squad support guns, various heavyt equipment and some new SMGs we should also add to our terrain and setting.
Its been said before here and I know its been said at events but....Damn it WW2 was not just fought in the woods!!!!!! lol
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