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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 19, 2007 18:13:48 GMT -5
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 19, 2007 18:16:37 GMT -5
*also this is just with my regular plastic stock, when we and cary have a weekend open we will meet to try and tackle the wooden one. The quest lives on. -Kyle
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Post by wade on Sept 19, 2007 18:22:01 GMT -5
Hey, good to see you finally got the garand around Kyle!
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 19, 2007 18:23:48 GMT -5
yeah and i only started on it the 17th!
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Sept 19, 2007 18:37:55 GMT -5
looks good, may I suggest getting a garand swivel swing ferule too, I added one to mine and it adds to the look. Also I'll gladly show you how i attatched the whole gas assembly to the barrel on mine, it works much better than just trying to secure it with a wooden dowel and tape, also its even less noticeable.
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 19, 2007 18:43:36 GMT -5
sure that would be great i have one but didnt know how to get that to work.
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Post by fadedcorona on Sept 19, 2007 20:23:32 GMT -5
it looks prety good. But I have put my Garand project in the back seat. I am still collecting parts for it but Im actually trying to make an AUG H/bar. I came a cross a TM AUG from a local guy at an amazing price, and I am getting an M60bi pod for a pretty good price. You've given me hope! props
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Sept 19, 2007 20:30:56 GMT -5
an m60 bi-pod probably isn't the best as a replacement for a bar bi-pod. The heat-sheild looking thing on it makes it very distinctive to the m60 imo and would look odd on a bar. I haven't seen a real 1919a6 bipod close enough to see how it looks compared to the bar's (the barrel band is a lot larger though) but the leg style looks pretty familiar from what I remember.
Back on topic..... PM me and I'll try to send a few pics and an explation to you or mabye post it if enough people need info. From what I remember it was mostly just to fit it into the real garand stock's spot for it and dremel the agm hand gaurd until it'll fit. Pic's will probably help more. Just don't rush getting the sling swivel ferule in, it's pretty easy to line up wrong and cut your stock too short.
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Post by Nimlas on Sept 19, 2007 20:33:04 GMT -5
an m60 bi-pod probably isn't the best as a replacement for a bar bi-pod. The heat-sheild looking thing on it makes it very distinctive to the m60 imo and would look odd on a bar. I haven't seen a real 1919a6 bipod close enough to see how it looks compared to the bar's (the barrel band is a lot larger though) but the leg style looks pretty familiar from what I remember. I think he meant AUG H/BAR. That's way off topic though! So back onto it!
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Post by Tough Ombre on Sept 19, 2007 20:52:23 GMT -5
Goofy looking gun it is, o and Yankee, ill take those instructions too ;-) -Cary
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Sept 19, 2007 21:03:00 GMT -5
oooooooh. Well that makes sense now doesn't it?
Psh, who said I'd give them to you Cary, the only thing I'd send to you is a pic of my gf so that you can do mean things to on photoshop (see, I didn't forget ya did that;)). Kidding of course, I'll try to get that stuff up tommorow after work.
Back on topic...again.
One thing that I noticed on your gun KRaddatz is that the barrel isn't long enough. Mabye you'll want to go to a local hardware and try to find a very short section of pipe with the proper threading, or mabye a pipe long enough to jam over the threads and if it doesnt fit in the gas assembly, cut it short so it's at least flush with it.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Sept 19, 2007 21:06:13 GMT -5
oooooooh. Well that makes sense now doesn't it? Psh, who said I'd give them to you Cary, the only thing I'd send to you is a pic of my gf so that you can do mean things to on photoshop (see, I didn't forget ya did that;)). Kidding of course, I'll try to get that stuff up tommorow after work. Back on topic...again. One thing that I noticed on your gun KRaddatz is that the barrel isn't long enough. Mabye you'll want to go to a local hardware and try to find a very short section of pipe with the proper threading, or mabye a pipe long enough to jam over the threads and if it doesnt fit in the gas assembly, cut it short so it's at least flush with it. HAHAHA... ya i had to lmao... it was soo friggen great though!! but ya... umm Kyle and i already had a plan for the barrel, infact its something i did to my gun by accident lol.
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Post by fadedcorona on Sept 20, 2007 2:05:39 GMT -5
can you get a tap and a section of pipe? that might work. I won't lie though, you've really compelled me to do the same thing as you, I am really lazy. ha ha. Or I am stretched thin. Classes are catching up... though working on airsoft is relaxing. Have any tips?
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 20, 2007 7:13:40 GMT -5
Psh, who said I'd give them to you Cary, the only thing I'd send to you is a pic of my gf so that you can do mean things to on photoshop (see, I didn't forget ya did that;)). lol i was there for that
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 20, 2007 7:14:25 GMT -5
Psh, who said I'd give them to you Cary, the only thing I'd send to you is a pic of my gf so that you can do mean things to on photoshop (see, I didn't forget ya did that;)). lol i was there for that ! Now im gonna need some help on staining it im going for a look like one of these 2nd bat guns
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 20, 2007 12:11:22 GMT -5
To accomodate the barrel length you'll have to cut your main stock back a bit further and reposition your front sling swivel (if you decide yo use it) Do the cut right along the slit created by the sling swivel hardware. There is a natural ridge in the stock mold that once filed will create a perfect forward bulkhead. I now attache the ferrule to that which also provides the channel that the heat shield hand guard slides into and holds the upper assembly to the lower stock very nicely without tape and allows the bolt to operate.
With this as a new lower stock length you'll of course have to further shorten your heat sheild hand guard. Now your barrel tip will slide right into the front of the gas reservoir assembly (just below the site) You do have to either drill it out a bit or file the threads on the M-14 barrel however. Remember that section of the barrel will be visible so if you design an attaching thread or lengthen it there it will show so my recommendation is shorten your stock further. Good luck!
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Post by biged on Sept 25, 2007 5:58:15 GMT -5
I located a piece of hobby brass that fits tightly inside both the barrel ring on the gas tube assembly and the front ferrule. (I'll try and find/locate the ID size.) I made 3 cuts on the end of the brass tube. Then when pushed inside the ferrule it expands over the portion of barrel which increases in diameter, holding it rock solid. This eliminates the need for shortening the handguard. I later painted the brass with ultra flat black to make it look natural. To grasp the front assembly tight to the gun I added a front set screw through the wood dowel, through the front handguard and penetrates the barrel assembly about 1/8th inch. It's a G&G M14 (gen 2) DM gun now shooting 444fps. It was stock at the NY game. (I have yet to complete the rear portion of the stock.) I would have never thought of building a Garand without 2nd Bat's intel or research. (Salute) ///ed///
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 25, 2007 14:02:13 GMT -5
Looks great. Glad to help. I'm just delighted to see as many Garand AEGs out in the field as possible. The idea of running a set screw through the dowel sounds like a great approach. I did a couple of G&G conversions. The G&Gs are hard shooters even without an upgrade but the magazines are very difficult to shorten satisfactorily. I'll be curious to see what you come up with!
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Post by fadedcorona on Sept 26, 2007 2:14:59 GMT -5
yeah, i just bought the outer barrel of someone's AGM M14 just so i don't have to shorten anything. Looks good! You're giving me hope! ha ha. I got my wood stock today though all my tools are 167 miles away . But this weekend lets see what I can do... though not much because I still need to get a hold of an M14. ha ha. though quick question. How solid are these ending up? Pretty good?
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Post by biged on Sept 26, 2007 5:21:49 GMT -5
I'm making a magazine cradle to insert Marui 30 round shotgun shells into.
The cradle will sit inside the magwell. You simply insert a marui shotgun shell inside the cradle and you have up to 30 rounds in the Garand (really about 22-25 because of the feed tube). The three goals I'm striving for are:
1. Not to let the cradle stick out past the bottom of the receiver more than an inch. 2. No mods to the shotgun shells. Make it a plug and play system. 3. Speed. The ability to pop in/out shells at a FAST rate.
(It would be nice to put something in the 1923 Cartridge belt besides wood blocks or rags.)
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 27, 2007 3:22:22 GMT -5
One of my customers in England created a shortened magazine using the shotgun shell married to the top portion of an M14 low cap magazine. His mounted flush to the base of the gun. No protrusion at all and held 24 rounds. It snapped in and out like the M-14 magazines so made for quick reloads and he had discussed building a mold and making them in volume but then all prgress stopped and I never heard anything further from him. Obviously this won't work for the G&G as their mag well has that strange "z" shape not present in the Marui or knock off M-14s.
My shortened mags protrude 3/4 of an inch below the stock and fit quite nicely in the Garand pockets but they are by no means ideal. What I really need to do is come up with a design and get an injection mold set up for thousand of dollars up front and start building them. Anyone want to front the thousands of dollars?
As near as I can tell any design would be so intricate as to require injection molding although I could be mistaken there. If a regular mold could be created and used the costs would be quite low.
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Post by biged on Sept 27, 2007 4:50:22 GMT -5
They could be CNC'd out of a aluminum block. Two halves of the magazine. Each half would have the track that the bb's would follow. The spring, bb pusher, bb catch & spring would be the only difficult parts to locate. I think I have several old PSG1 mags at the shop to rip apart and use donor parts from. I may attempt an Oak or Maple prototype.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 27, 2007 15:55:49 GMT -5
Obvious a shortened clip for the Marui style M-14s is where the volume is. Between my sales and the independant folks that have built their own I'm guessing there are close to 100 Garand AEG owners out there. Most would want one for their rifle and significant number of them would want 10 or 12! I know I would!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 28, 2007 1:37:28 GMT -5
Here's a nearly finished rifle with the stock sections filled and the butt plate redone. This shot shows the shortened 12 round clip which is a modified Deepfire low cap with about four inches cut out of the center. Unfortunately it still doesn't mount flush on the bottom. During play with the sling and players arm etc in firing position it really isn't very noticeable.
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Post by biged on Sept 28, 2007 4:44:20 GMT -5
Nicely done either way! There must be 400+ new/used magazines at the shop. There is only G&G hicap - which is what I have been using...
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 28, 2007 7:17:05 GMT -5
Must... have... low cap, thats great so much better than the standard mags
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