Sgt_Tom
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jul 30, 2009 16:14:04 GMT -5
Yep however they are outta stock.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 7, 2009 16:39:16 GMT -5
Getting the base clips in quantities has been a real challenge as everyone seems to be back ordered most of the time. (Probably because people are using them for their Garand conversions.) Chian are you paying attention? There is obviously a huge demand for a GARAND AEG!!!!!!
What few I'm able to get it I'm frantically using to fill backorders and ship with newly finished rifles. (Each of my conversions goes out with 3 pre modified clips and a speed loader.)
I used to be able to order the shotgun clips by the hundreds now I'm lucky if I get a dozen at a time which really jumps up the shipping costs.
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Post by blackeagle on Oct 3, 2009 10:22:27 GMT -5
alright, i need some help. The custom m1 mags i made (same as the one 2nd bat. makes) are being annoying. When i first made them (3 months ago) they worked great but now the BBs are getting stuck in the feeding tube of the mag. way back in the back. its almost like the mags are shrinking! i need some help guys
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 3, 2009 14:23:26 GMT -5
Keep you magazines lubed and most importantly don't store them with BBs in the clip. Always empty your clips when you're putting them away. This true of all magazines but especially a low capacity mag like these. If left filled the spring looses it's tension and ability to push the BBs into the gun.
Also as I'm sure you know, the gap between the top of the mag and the tube in the gun leading to the tapped plate leaves three or four Bbs unfed which is why a 15 round clip only consistently feeds 12 rounds and why 3 BBs always drop out when you're reloading.
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Post by blackeagle on Oct 3, 2009 19:43:07 GMT -5
Keep you magazines lubed and most importantly don't store them with BBs in the clip. Always empty your clips when you're putting them away. This true of all magazines but especially a low capacity mag like these. If left filled the spring looses it's tension and ability to push the BBs into the gun. Also as I'm sure you know, the gap between the top of the mag and the tube in the gun leading to the tapped plate leaves three or four Bbs unfed which is why a 15 round clip only consistently feeds 12 rounds and why 3 BBs always drop out when you're reloading. I have sprayed lube in every time i am done using them, i also never leave mags loaded, that is just a real steal safety percation i always use. I think that my bbs could be too big for the feeding tube, i took them apart and let the bb slide through it and it consistantly was plugged. i think i fixed it by shaving the mags wall a little
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 6, 2009 11:09:31 GMT -5
Good. I'm glad it was a simple fix. Mags are tricky and require a high level of precision. The feed system is usually the critical point for success and failure for any custom gun effort. Many a custom gun get's visually finished but never really works right due to the need for precise tolerances here.
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Post by godo on Oct 16, 2009 10:43:21 GMT -5
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2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 16, 2009 16:54:19 GMT -5
Yes. That mag will work fine.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 3, 2010 2:25:45 GMT -5
I continue to build these and continue to receive orders for the combat packs. Most folks buying my Garands seem to order an additional pack of six which means I'm sending out nine clips with virtually every rifle. Each rifle goes out with clear instructions for making them and since I've now made well over 1200 of them it's gotten to be pretty tiresome and fairly boring. Availability is still spotty and they go in and out of availability so I try to order them a couple hundred at a time when available.
My current design has remained fairly constant. I trim off the upper lip, abs glue a tab of ABS thin sheet to the front and dremel a notch in the rear that serves as the catch for the mag release. I then paint the clip brass colored (except the bottom which I leave black) and then I abs glue a couple black tabs on each side which look losely like an enblock clip and provide a side wall so the clip stays snug in the mag well and doesn't have any gaps along the side. The M14 magazine can still be used for regular events although loading every 12 rounds adds a lot to the authenticity during WW2 skirmishes.
I never did do up functional flush mounted clips for the GnG or CA M14s and will leave that to others creativity as so few of the M-14 to Garand conversions have been built from those rifles. The obvious way to do it would be to cut the upper feed set up from a low cap GnG mag and attach something like one of these mags into the bottom.
The Marui clone shotgun mags discussed here have proven quite robust and reliable although each clone variant have slight variations in demensions so you have to tweak and file according to your specific rifle and don't expect a clip that works in a Marui to perfectly and immediately work in a TSD UTG, AGM or Cyma. Likewise Marui compatible magazines don't always feed perfectly either without a little filing.
People ask how many magazines they need for skirmishing and that is an awkward of not improssible question to answer. In WW2 a combat load for a Garand riflemen was supposed to be 80 rounds although most GIs heading out for operations liked to have around 200 ready rounds. With a speed loader I believe nine clips would accurately provide a rate of fire that is somewhat higher than a Garand riflemen and that is probably as it should be. Nine typically last me far longer than my normal survival rate during a skirmish. I usually get eliminated long before I have fired a hundred rounds (on semi) so I just reload my clips back at the aid station before coming back in.
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Post by Seff on Feb 7, 2010 19:50:46 GMT -5
Due to the clips making the rifle so fiddly to reload, I'm very careful about just unloading my rifle in the direction of a suspected enemy, even if that was what a GI would sometimes do. I carry 20 clips in my belt, which I can juuust manage because I haven't put spacer tabs on the sides of the mags. I seriously considered just switching to one mag per belt pocket, and maybe getting a bandoleer to carry some of the superfluous mags I'll have left over. I don't use even close to 240 rounds every skirmish - I'll have been busy if I use 80. In my experience the AEG Garand is good for mid-range marksmanship, and should be treated like a bolt action rifle with an emergency feature called semi automatic fire. You're not going to hold down a division of Germans on your own with this thing. Still the coolest airsoft gun in my collection BY FAR. Thanks to 2nd Bat for inspiring me to make one for myself.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 8, 2010 19:20:04 GMT -5
I'm really proud that for every rifle I've made there are probably two or three home builds which means there have to be 600 to 900 of them floating around the world. Hopefully being used in WW2 skirmishes. Few come up for sale which is also flattering. SEFFS is especially nicely done with lots of attention to detail
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Post by doktor on Feb 10, 2010 15:21:06 GMT -5
I am about to set the cat among the pidgeons....
I need nearly the same service as has been covered in this thread, but not such short magazines and not to look right as an M!, I need some protrusion as my M14 must look more like a G43!
Any suggestions?
Andreas
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Post by daug on Feb 11, 2010 5:37:08 GMT -5
You can find the same magazine in CYBERGUN. Reference 27502. In France the price is € 4.90 ($ 5.50), but I think you can find them in USA or Canada. If this info can help you. Best regards. Kris the frenchy
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Post by capt.speirs on Mar 19, 2010 7:55:31 GMT -5
is there some one who will convert my m14 if i send itto the
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 26, 2010 22:55:59 GMT -5
It is not my preference but I do them on others rifles from time to time. If you already have a rifle you like and it's a Marui M14 or Marui Clone I can do it. You take full responsibility for the function of your rifle however. All it will save you is the cost of the M14 base rifle so the savings are not substantial by the time you pay for both shipping to me and then back once the conversion is done.
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Post by docdodge on Mar 28, 2010 23:03:15 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 29, 2010 2:11:49 GMT -5
Doktor,
Before the availability of the flush mounted shotgun mags I used to shorten the M14 magazines by removing the inner plastic sleave and cutting them down. It was labor intensive but could create the length and reasonably close to the appearance you seek. Another approach which would probably be easier would be to buy the longer protruding springer shotgun magazines (which are also far more available than the flush mounted ones) and housing them in cut down M14 magazines.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 1, 2010 22:57:52 GMT -5
I have had several requests to do a video tutorial on loading and reloading the clips in my Garand conversions. I really should do it and it would be fun to do I'm just not sure when I'll get around to doing it.
In the meantime here are some tips on quick reloads. The shortened clips do take some practice and like a real Garand changing clips is a skill that requires practice and some expertise. The good news is with my clips you won't end up with M1 thumb!
Until you get really good at it and can do it without watching what you're doing here is the approach to take: Turn the rifle upside down so you're looking down into the mag well. Hold the clip upside down with your index finger positioned at the base of the clip bottom directly beneath the feed hole. Your thumb and middle finger will be pinching the base of the clip back toward the rear. Insert the clip at an angle and position the feed hole into the feed nub inside the mag well. insert it until you hear the swoosh of the BBs going into the Garand. Then rock the clip into place like you do AK mags. You should hear a click as the channel in back of the clip seats into the mag release. Turn the rifle over and squeaze off 12 rounds. The clip holds 15 but there is gap between the clip and the tapett plate inside the gun which results in three BBs dropping out after you pull out the clip. This is normal. Be sure these BBs all drop out of the mag well area as any BBs rolling around in there will impede loading your next clip. When your clip is empty push the mag release with your thumb and push the front of the clip slightly forward with your index finger which will cause it to rock slightly forward allowing you to pinch the rear corner of the clip with your thumb and index finger and pull it out. Drop the empty clip into a dump pouch and reload.
Practice until you can do this without watching what you are doing and if you're espcially good you can do it with the rifle point down range and upright. If your clip isn't feeding properly odds are the front tab is too thick and needs to be shaved down a bit. This tab is very thin and simply offsets the shotgun clip so it adapts to the M14 feed hole.
If I can't get a video tutorial I will at least try to get pictures of what I am talking about
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Post by capt.speirs on May 26, 2010 9:13:09 GMT -5
with the acm mags do you have to do work on them so thy will fit or do you just pop them in
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 26, 2010 12:11:23 GMT -5
You have to adapt them as described earlier by adding a small tab to the front and cutting a properly placed groove in the rear.
Another tip for fast reloads (this came from a customer) He glued a thin strip of foam at the ceiling of the mag well back toward the rear. When you push in the clip it compresses the strip of foam and clicks into place with the mag release.
When empty and you activate the thumb release the foam gives the clip a slight nudge downward making it easier to pinch and pull out. Excellent idea as the clips occassionally have been hard to get out. This could ease and speed up reloads considerably and would be an easy mod to do.
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Post by gman on May 26, 2010 13:04:51 GMT -5
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Post by gman on May 26, 2010 13:18:56 GMT -5
.... Another tip for fast reloads (this came from a customer) He glued a thin strip of foam at the ceiling of the mag well back toward the rear. When you push in the clip it compresses the strip of foam and clicks into place with the mag release. Would this strip of foam interfere with the "normal" m14 clip?
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Post by tarnish on May 26, 2010 14:44:19 GMT -5
Here's a picture of the foam I glued into my M1 conversion, I used Scotch Grip impact adhesive to secure it in place. It's only about 3mm thick and it doesn't affect fitting a standard M14 magazine. I would suggest a little experimentation as the chances of you finding some foam material of identical properties to mine off the bat are slim!
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 27, 2010 0:57:23 GMT -5
The foam tab should not interfere with either the shortened clip or the regular magazine although you will note a slightly greater level of resiatance as you slide it into place. Prior to actually gluing it in try it a few times to be sure the density of the foam you used is correct and effective.
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Post by capt.speirs on May 27, 2010 13:01:30 GMT -5
is there some one who coul take spring bolt action and make it look like a springfield 1903
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2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 27, 2010 13:52:14 GMT -5
There are many, many threads on just that subject.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 5, 2010 13:30:20 GMT -5
Has anyone been able to source these ACM shotty mags lately? I'm afraid all my usuall sources have dried up. Also frustrating is that many places show them available but once ordered come up as sold out.
Very frustrating
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Post by SgtSalmon on Jul 7, 2010 11:49:59 GMT -5
Hey, I got this magazine with a shotgun "grenade launcher" that came with a m4. Would this work?
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Post by volkssturm on Jul 7, 2010 18:20:21 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 27, 2010 15:43:43 GMT -5
They do not currently have any
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