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Post by Gordak on Jun 6, 2006 22:00:27 GMT -5
you guys are all satanic posers!!... 1999 was the great satanic year, not 06/06/06! the devil talks backwards folks.
Pozerz!, now where is my mini altar?
Hail Toemegatherion!!
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Post by spitfire740 on Jun 6, 2006 22:32:54 GMT -5
well technically Y2K would be considered the year the world blew itself up, so...perhaps 2000?
I'm afraid, my test number on my chemistry final today was 13. I totally failed it.
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Post by TastesLikeChicken on Jun 7, 2006 16:10:17 GMT -5
you make me feel alot better about my chem exam with that number i personally agree with the mayans and say the world will end on december 21st, 2012 but thats just my 2 cents
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Post by Ungar on Jun 7, 2006 18:06:58 GMT -5
Screw 6-6-6 How about this? I was born on Friday the 13th. I am the third child of my father, I was born at 1300 hours, my bed was number 13 in room 3. I didnt start to speak until I was 3. Finally, I was born in 1987: 3 years before the turn of the decade or 13 years before the turn of the millenia. I SWEAR TO ALMIGHTY GOD! Everything I stated here is true!!!!! (am i gonne be the 3rd Antichrist??)
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Post by Gordak on Jun 7, 2006 21:21:00 GMT -5
"(am i gonna be the 3rd Antichrist??)" lets see, Hitler... check Jerry Falwell... check ... yup, your number 3! congrats!
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Post by spartan yes thats silencer on Jun 12, 2006 23:22:40 GMT -5
Hey wait, IM curious why DO the mayans say the world will end on december 21st 2012?
sorry to revive an old thread
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Post by TastesLikeChicken on Jun 12, 2006 23:31:49 GMT -5
they came to that conclusion due to thier...(um whats the damn word)... astronomy calculations and their extremely precise calendar system. i dont know all the specifics on thier belief system, but i believe that, like the aztecs,the mayans had an apocolyptic based religion. The exact date i believe was actually mentioned in the Popol Vuh, the mayan equivalent of the bible. but they came to the conclusion of the exact date through mathematical and calendarian calculations through observing the stars. yeah i havent researched the topic recently, but i have studied it in the past,ill have to look back into it to be certain
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Post by Gordak on Jun 13, 2006 9:10:47 GMT -5
the mayans also made the worlds first perfect calander, which means we better respect what they have to say Anyone ever hear about Tamerlane? TRUE STORY!!! The anceint king of the Tartars was burried in a tomb that had a curse inscribed on it. "If you disturb this tomb the worst disaster ever to occur to hummanity will come" Despite the warning a soviet scientist removed Tamerlane's skull and took it back to his lab. the year was 1941...
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Post by savoy6 on Jun 13, 2006 13:48:15 GMT -5
yeah...the mayans are basically predicting an event along the lines of a pole shift around that date in 2012...stand by to repel boarders...
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Post by Russian on Jun 13, 2006 18:22:28 GMT -5
Anyone ever hear about Tamerlane? TRUE STORY!!! The anceint king of the Tartars was burried in a tomb that had a curse inscribed on it. "If you disturb this tomb the worst disaster ever to occur to hummanity will come" Despite the warning a soviet scientist removed Tamerlane's skull and took it back to his lab. the year was 1941... Interesting....I heard this same story, but concerning a nice fellow named Atilla the Hun. He was buried in Mongolia, on the Steppes. The Soviets blasted into his tomb, and the curse that he had placed "Disturb my tomb, and a fate worse than mine shall befall upon you." 1941....I saw this on the History channel, where did you see the Tamerlane's tale?
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Post by Gordak on Jun 13, 2006 19:36:11 GMT -5
it was in a book, looked pretty scholar like, I bet history chanel changed it to a attila so the kids would actually recognize the name. I cant see how attila would have been burried 1000 miles from his homeland. someone do an internet search!!!! Find out the truth! -Gordak
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Post by Gordak on Jun 13, 2006 19:40:07 GMT -5
not that proving the history channel wrong is any big succes, its like beating up a baby seal thats been tranquilized, here is the TRUTH! from WIKIPEDIA!!!! "Timur's body was exhumed from his tomb in 1941 by the Russian anthropologist Mikhail M. Gerasimov. He found that Timur's facial characteristics conformed to that of Mongolian features, supporting Timur's notion, in some part, that he was descended from Genghis Khan. He also confirmed Timur's lameness. Gerasimov was able to reconstruct the likeness of Timur from his skull. Famously, a curse has been attached to opening Timur's tomb.[citation needed] In the year of Timur's death, a sign was carved in Timur's tomb warning that whoever would dare disturb the tomb would bring demons of war onto his land. Gerasimov's expedition opened the tomb on June 19, 1941. Operation Barbarossa, which claimed more lives than any other war in history, began three days later on June 22, 1941."
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Post by Ungar on Jun 13, 2006 20:27:22 GMT -5
"Interesting....I heard this same story, but concerning a nice fellow named Atilla the Hun. He was buried in Mongolia, on the Steppes. The Soviets blasted into his tomb, and the curse that he had placed "Disturb my tomb, and a fate worse than mine shall befall upon you." 1941....I saw this on the History channel, where did you see the Tamerlane's tale?"
Hmmm! Attila was buried in Hungary, and his tombs location is unknown. The tales says that he was put in a Bronze sarcofagous, than a silver and finally a Gold, and he was buried beside the Tisza River.
Also Attila is a Hungarian name used today, and no the Huns are interestingly not related to Hungarians, but lived on the land that is today known as Hungary
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Post by TastesLikeChicken on Jun 13, 2006 22:02:51 GMT -5
Yes, it is believed atilla was buried in hungary. When atilla was buried, it is said that 1000 of his best warriors rode over the gravesite on horses to disguise it. looks like they did a great job what i do know about hungary's ancestry is that in about 1000 A.D., the magyars, another group from central asia, came in and conquered the local peoples. So the Mongolians would have fought the Magyars when they conducted raids into Eastern Europe with the Golden Horde. and just a question, was Tamerlane buried in Samarkand?
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Post by Ungar on Jun 15, 2006 18:48:11 GMT -5
I don't know about Tamarline.
But I know that us, Magyars came to, now known as Hungary, in 895-896.
Till 955, we were feared for savage raids trought Europe, from Italy to Spain, From Byzantine to Aachen. In 955 Otto the Great defeated us at Augsburg. but we still continoued the raids to the south till late 900's. In 1000 AD our first king, Stephen was crowned.
Alos our war tactics was tottaly unusual to the rest of europe, thats why we were so feared. Our tactic included swift movement, fainting retreat, BUT what our enemies didnt was that we could fire arrows backwards while riding a horse. Also our bow was on match with the English long bow, but it is never mentioned in History. Why? Because we were defeated at Augsburg. Winners write history.
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Post by Gordak on Jun 15, 2006 23:04:17 GMT -5
well the composite bow was lost during the dark ages, thats why no one knew about it, and everyone ended up thinking the long bow was the SHiznit. Actually, I think the long bow was a hell of alot cheaper to make, Massive amounts of troops got them, and thats why it got famous. oh yeah, the Parthains were the first to shoot backwards while riding horses. Im going to buy a Grozer bow someday! www.grozerarchery.com/-Gordak
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Post by mauser98k on Jun 16, 2006 0:06:43 GMT -5
well the composite bow was lost during the dark ages, thats why no one knew about it, and everyone ended up thinking the long bow was the SHiznit. Actually, I think the long bow was a hell of alot cheaper to make, Massive amounts of troops got them, and thats why it got famous. oh yeah, the Parthains were the first to shoot backwards while riding horses. Im going to buy a Grozer bow someday! www.grozerarchery.com/-Gordak Does ww2 airsoft look that silly to outsiders also? ;D
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 16, 2006 0:07:01 GMT -5
I went to the Metropolitan museum last month which had a marvelous display of mongolian armor along with tactics and insight about their skills. Excellent horsemen and archers and wonderfull armor Do you know what the great secret of the armor was? In fact it was one of the first great military secrets of all time kept from the rest of the world for multiple generations? ? < < < < < < < Silk! < < < < < < Silk, was wrapped around the warrior beneath a coating of thick hemp and then wrapped around the hemp AND repeated in multiple layers. Then the armor was placed on top. In additon to making the warrior appear bigger then he was, silk was amazingly strong and light weight. Opponents would shoot arrows into the warrior and the silk would gather around the spear point and together with the hemp padding absorb and contain the energy. Warriors might end up with a haldf dozen arrows stuck into him with no penetrations. To the opponent the warrior seemed invincible. Tremendous psycological impact (no pun intended!)
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Post by Ungar on Jun 16, 2006 18:24:57 GMT -5
well the composite bow was lost during the dark ages, thats why no one knew about it, and everyone ended up thinking the long bow was the SHiznit. Actually, I think the long bow was a hell of alot cheaper to make, Massive amounts of troops got them, and thats why it got famous. oh yeah, the Parthains were the first to shoot backwards while riding horses. Im going to buy a Grozer bow someday! You are right! www.grozerarchery.com/-Gordak But in Europe, nobody have seen any with those tactics. So in that sense, they were the first to employ that tactic in mainland Europe.
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Post by TastesLikeChicken on Jun 17, 2006 0:07:20 GMT -5
well actually Alexander the Great was the first one to use silk for armor. i remember reading somewhere that he was shot 3 times with arrows in a battle near the indus (cant remember the name of it), but still rode and routed the enemy, becuase they thought he was invincible. but i never heard about the hemp padding though
another fact that attibuted to the mongol's success was due to their simple organization. they organized their troops into groups of successive powers of 10, which made it very simple to keep track of troop movements, and to organize formations
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Post by rbx6jm7man on Jun 17, 2006 15:07:27 GMT -5
Weren't the mongols those tough bastads that would live on their horses? i heard somewhere that on long journeys they didn't pack much food because they would just such some blood from their horse.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 17, 2006 16:10:09 GMT -5
Pillage was in fact a strategy of it's own. By living off the provisions of the lands you conqueored you minimized your own logistics train so a higher percentage of your force was a warrior. The rapid advancement of the mongols who were largely a horse cavalry force meant they were well supplied as they advanced. I nevr heard of them sucking their own horses blood and would imagine that would be a desperation move although perhaps like the Masai tribes of Africa with their cattle maybe it was the norm.
One of the reasons for the japanese success early in the war was they for all intents and purposes had little in the way of a logistics train. They lived off the fat supply stocks of the British and Americans they were conquoring. It's also why they were so vulnerable to island hopping. The islands once cut off literally starved in short order. One of the trajedies of the Bataan Death march is the Japanese could barely feed their own army let alone the (In their mind) discraceful opponents who actaully allowed themselves to be captured. This was a very foreign concept to them and one they were absolutely ill prepared for. This is not an excuse for the horrors of their treatment but it is a partial explanation we in the west seldom consider or have seen explained.
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Post by Ungar on Jun 17, 2006 22:06:31 GMT -5
well actually Alexander the Great was the first one to use silk for armor. i remember reading somewhere that he was shot 3 times with arrows in a battle near the indus (cant remember the name of it), but still rode and routed the enemy, becuase they thought he was invincible. but i never heard about the hemp padding though another fact that attibuted to the mongol's success was due to their simple organization. they organized their troops into groups of successive powers of 10, which made it very simple to keep track of troop movements, and to organize formations Alexander was wounded by one arrow, in the siege of the capital of Mallians. In fact he had alsmost died, but his close bodyguards managed to save him with the sacred shield of Troy. The arrow penetrated his lung, and Alexander had chest pain for the rest of his life This is a concept, based on sculptures, how Alexander might've looked like. I was always fascinated, how this Great conqueror looked like
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Post by kingofspades on Jun 17, 2006 22:29:50 GMT -5
mauser98k we look really silly to them i bet
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 18, 2006 0:08:26 GMT -5
Silk without the hemp would essentially do little to protect you as there needs to be both absorption and space for the silk to gather around the spear point arrow head to stop it. The warriors of Asia were using it for protection long before Alexander the Great did. The Europeans acquired silk for generations as a result of trade (Marco Polo) before they ever discovered how it was made.
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Post by TastesLikeChicken on Jun 18, 2006 0:50:00 GMT -5
well seeing as alexander conquered the majority of western asia, including much of the steppes, he probably learned from any of the native warriors who allied themselves to him.
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Post by rbx6jm7man on Jun 18, 2006 13:01:02 GMT -5
I nevr heard of them sucking their own horses blood and would imagine that would be a desperation move although perhaps like the Masai tribes of Africa with their cattle maybe it was the norm. One of the reasons for the japanese success early in the war was they for all intents and purposes had little in the way of a logistics train. They lived off the fat supply stocks of the British and Americans they were conquoring. It's also why they were so vulnerable to island hopping. The islands once cut off literally starved in short order. One of the trajedies of the Bataan Death march is the Japanese could barely feed their own army let alone the (In their mind) discraceful opponents who actaully allowed themselves to be captured. This was a very foreign concept to them and one they were absolutely ill prepared for. This is not an excuse for the horrors of their treatment but it is a partial explanation we in the west seldom consider or have seen explained. I actually heard the thing about sucking blood from the horses from one of my history teachers, a retired captain from the Army and retired colonel in the Marines. But as far as the Bataan Death March, it wasn't so much the food shortage than it was the fact that the Japanese never had anticipated so many POWs or defenders for that matter. The Japanese estimates lay in the low 10,000s but the actual number of civilians, Philippine soldiers, and US soldiers made about some 300,000 in Bataan (December 1941). The large number of persons that needed to be displaced caused massive chaos on the Japanese's part, allowing for frustrated Japanese soldiers to act without orders. And after several months of fighting in the area, there was nothing left to eat for the remaining survivors (hell, even roasted monkey looked good at the time; my mother told me it looks like eating a human kid because the body looks so similar to a baby) A lot of the war crimes in fact were acts of revenge due to the heavy losses on the Japanese side. Japanese casualties were extented into the ten thousands due to tropical exposure (malaria and beri-beri) and the accurate artillery fire from hidden gun emplacements in the jungles and Corregidor. To see so few Philippine and US casualties compared to the Japanese casualties must have been a slap in the face. The Japanese had quite a lot to eat if they were sationed in the Philippines because they pillaged whatever the locals grew. My grandfather and granduncles recall how the villagers would harvest as much as possible and leave whatever the could not take to the Japanese. (one of my granduncles, in fact, was the first commander of the Huk guerilla movement against the Japanese in the Pampanga province) However, they never tolerated the expenditure of food to POWs. One such incident in the Bataan Death March was recorded: a pregnant Filipina was handing out lumpia (egg rolls) to the POWs only to be taken by a Japanese soldier and have her fetus cut out. err...so back on topic: pillaging is effective, i think, as long as you do it like the vikings
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Post by TastesLikeChicken on Jun 18, 2006 14:03:36 GMT -5
well the vikings were in a way borught down by their own extensive pilllaging tactics, due to thier overexposure to christianity. Christianity borught about the beginning of the end of the traditional Norse Raider, since the stabilization that the christian way of life brought, negated the need to be as nomadic and restless.
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