2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 22, 2006 0:51:14 GMT -5
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Post by Capt. Zak on Nov 22, 2006 8:07:10 GMT -5
FANTASTIC, ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC! Great job 2nd Bat!!! One thing you might want to add to your D-Day rifleman reference is that the "Official" reason the US ETO camo uniform was pulled was due to inferior dyes used in production. The uniforms faded quickly to white.
I have spoke to a number of 30th ID vets who were issued the camo uniforms and they confirmed this, as well as R. Lee Ermy on mail call. There was no "official" reports of this camo causing any friendly fire incidents, but as we all know...never say never when it comes to WWII. Not trying to bust any nuts here, or claiming to be an "expert". Just want to pass that on to you. Again...FANTASTIC JOB!!!
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Post by spitfire740 on Nov 22, 2006 12:51:36 GMT -5
AMAZING! You sir...are god! I have original P-51 pilot's gloves, that I can take a pic of and you oculd add to the photo or somthing. I also thought it was funny that the d-day ranger was smoking! Those rangers!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 22, 2006 13:59:28 GMT -5
I know the dummies need more color on their faces. It appears worse in the photos then in person. I'll continue to add static displays for resource purposes on items of interest.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Nov 22, 2006 22:16:31 GMT -5
The dummies look good. That pale flesh makes you focus on the uniforms & gear. PERFECT! Didn't you plan it that way?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 23, 2006 2:55:53 GMT -5
Can't say that I did. I think they look ghastly in the pictures. Easy fix.
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Post by 29ththerealpimps on Nov 24, 2006 11:52:58 GMT -5
I have seen a website with these pics before.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 24, 2006 15:48:35 GMT -5
They come from a friends personal collection (and mine) and he allowed me to use them.
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Post by themango on Nov 24, 2006 16:07:59 GMT -5
John whos collection is that? Is he local?
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Post by 29ththerealpimps on Nov 24, 2006 17:18:15 GMT -5
Yeah now I remember you posted a link of his website
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 24, 2006 20:08:45 GMT -5
He is local to the Seattle area but it's a private museum and it is not open to the public. Unfortuantely since it is excellent. We've talked about him opening it up for a private showing for the battlesim guys and he may do that. Field day deal. He's always improving his displays and they just keep getting better and better. He has incredible stuff.
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Post by themango on Nov 24, 2006 20:58:19 GMT -5
That would be great if he let us in for a day to look. I know I would be there. His stuff is outstanding
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 24, 2006 23:01:09 GMT -5
You have no idea! I'll arrange a tour in the spring. He's finishing a few new rooms. He currently has a North Africa / Medditeranean Display Room a Normandy Display Room a battle of Bulge Display and a Air Campaign Room. He is adding a Crew served Weapons room, and a Billets Inspection room as well as a few other independent misc displays. He has absolutely the coolest stuff I've ever seen outside of some of the larger museums.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 26, 2006 19:52:45 GMT -5
For those interested in Airborne D-Day impressions heres a collection to strive for: Lots of great details here. Note the Garand is somewhat dissasembled in order to fit in the griswald bag. Something of a disadvantage during a drop though a well trained airborne trooper handled that issue inside a minute upon hitting the ground.
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Post by themango on Nov 26, 2006 20:19:26 GMT -5
That display is unbelievable...very beatiful...I love the M1A1. Soon I will have a stock. Thing with the repros is that they're all low wood stocks...I read somewhere that the M1A1 Stocks were all high wood. Someone verify for me? Another good thing to go along with that would be some "let down" rope and a gas mask and gas brassard. Mae West maybe?
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Post by Guinness on Nov 26, 2006 21:08:03 GMT -5
"Low Wood" / "High Wood" Sounds like something you would take Cialis for -G
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 27, 2006 20:41:40 GMT -5
Guiness, These are 20 year olds and teenagers. They have no idea what Cialis is. I like you are not sure what low wood or high wood refers to?
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Post by themango on Nov 28, 2006 9:46:18 GMT -5
i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/Themango/Airsoft/carbineM1edit.jpgThe top M1 Carbine is a "High Wood" Stock while the bottom two are "Low Wood" The "High/Low Wood" refers to the part of the stock just beyond the operating rod where the upper hand guard starts. (circled in red) From what I have read over at WWII reenactors forums. The "High Wood" stock would sometimes crack and then be cut down and sanded. Aparently most were eventually produced or arsenal modified later on. Most M1A1 Stocks had been first produced in "High Wood" from 1942-1943. While the "Low Wood" began in early 1944 till late 1944. Based on what had been said over at the WWII Reenactors forum it is very unlikely that any "Low Wood" M1A1 Stocks had been used in the Normandy invasion. Don't hold these words to me. I am just passing on what I have read from to me what seem knowledgable (and Picky) Reenactors. Input from others?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 28, 2006 14:09:09 GMT -5
Completely new information to me. I had never heard of that. Nice find Mango. That picture belongs as a display photo for this thread I suspect.
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Post by Guinness on Nov 28, 2006 19:51:00 GMT -5
Nice mango! Teachin' a couple old dogs a new trick or two ;D I had heard of 'pot-belly' carbine stocks in reference to the M2 Carbine- but this is new to me, thanks for the ed-u-ma-cation! ...and don't you get snippy with me there Mr. JD- Your not to big for me to bust back down to pfc! ;D 'sides- these kids invented Google- you really think they don't know what Cialis is? Heck and I was gonna say "Enzyte" too because the ad is so funny
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 30, 2006 23:12:54 GMT -5
For the Long Winter or any other Battle of the Bulge game here is a good resource picture Note the late war German on the left with the typical flashlight of the German army (Nice accessory.) A hitler youth knife and the classic Heer belt and buckle. The GI (second from the left) is in late war M-43 garb with carbine, wool scarf, bandoleer and is holding a pair of field glasses. The WAC (seated) wears a WAC M-43 kacket and wool sweater. (opposite button direction) And finally the GI on the right is in an early war Wool overcoat with the Gold eagle buttons. Often late war overcoats had bakelite OD buttons. He is armed with an M3 Grease gun and has a wire cutter pouch on his web gear, a first aid pouch and field knife ina leather pouch. His grenades have the typical yellow band of WW2. By this time of the war the overcoats as worn by US GI's were frequently cut off about mid thigh to prevent silhouette confusion with German coats. The map in the background is a copy of a BASTOGNE tactical map. The original belonged to my father who had battle maps for most of the campaign areas in the ETO. (Normandy, Ardennes, Holland etc.) I make copies and sell them on Ebay from time to time. I've met several interesting folks through the sale of these copies (Which I clearly indicate are copies) and over the years they have nicely funded my hobby.
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Post by themango on Nov 30, 2006 23:23:43 GMT -5
That is a nice one. I have been meaning to ask you about those maps...I will likely want to pick one up some time soon...my map case is a bit empty...well historicall speaking...green trails maps aren't exactly WWII issue...
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 1, 2006 13:24:09 GMT -5
The maps make a cool accessory. It is fscinating studying the terrain as you read first person accounts and since these military tactical maps include all the terrain features down to intermitten streams, ground contours and treelines you get a good appreciation for why things sometimes happened like they did. In the Infantry we often said the land dictates the battle.
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Post by caffrey on Dec 10, 2006 5:47:58 GMT -5
Historical Note: The US Army never made camoflage helmet covers. It is absolutely incorrect. The USMC were issued camo headgear, but it was of a slightly different pattern.
Where did you get it from? lol
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 10, 2006 13:58:05 GMT -5
It's true that the 41st Infantry and other units within the second Armored Division that wore the herring bone twill camo uniform wore como netting and scrim for head gear rather then the camo cover shown on the ETO soldier. I always struggled with that when I'd see old reruns of the TV show COMBAT with Sgt Saunders wearing the camo cover on his helmet. Then I watched the excellent documentary D-Day to Berlin which was a compilation of coverage from Lt. Colonel George Stevens personal color home movies shot in the ETO. On two different occassions as he's panning a bunch of soldiers, you see US GIs with camo covered helmets. Cloth duck hunter patterned camo helmets. I was amazed and flabbergasted. I slowed it down and looked more closely and they were apparently cut from camo parachute fabric and were a field expedient. To my knowledge the camo helmet cover depicted on the soldier shown above is incorrect. It should have been a net and scrim. However a camo parachute cover was in fact done. Rare but done. One of the scenes was during a huge German surrender in Operation Lumberjack in early March of 1945 so obviously still being done and worn late in the war.
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 10, 2006 14:25:44 GMT -5
For the Battle of the Bulge picture i didn't think that M1 Carbine guys had bandoleers for them.
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 10, 2006 14:50:29 GMT -5
Yes the did. I see them all the time. Go look at some original pictures.
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Post by caffrey on Dec 10, 2006 17:18:46 GMT -5
A sad fact is that many troops were ill-equipped for the Bulge, and many had nothing more than wools and a field jacket. Winter combat clothing took forever to get around.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 10, 2006 19:39:46 GMT -5
Let's see the bandoleers are dated 1942 and 1943. Hmmmmmm, can't see any reason why they wouldn't have had them. As Nimlas mentioned you see them with them in period specific pictures all the time.
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Post by Go4Broke on Dec 10, 2006 20:37:33 GMT -5
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