2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 11, 2006 0:29:01 GMT -5
Great find, Go for Broke.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Dec 11, 2006 10:32:25 GMT -5
This one I can help I dentify...... From left to right Col Max Schneider, Capt. George Whittington (B co.), Lt. Charles Parker (A co), Lt. Francis Dawson (D co), S/Sgt Willie Moody (C co), Sgt Howard McKissick (C co), Sgt Denzil Johnson (A co), and medic Cpl Alexander Barber (HQ Co). Some of the ranks were attained after the picture was taken. 5th Ranger Bn, not long after D-day. The camo covers are cut from camo parachutes from dead paratroopers. A couple other things to notice are the jump boots that all are wearing, Whittington is carrying a revolver, three guys with the makeshift cover are missing the helmet liner chinstrap, and Lt. Dawson is wearing an enlisted man's shirt (no epaulets). Capt Whittington later faced a courts-marshall for the killing of a french agent, but was acquited because the french agent did not properly identify himself. Lt. Parker led A co, 5th Rangers from D-day til the end of the war and was promoted to Captain.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 27, 2006 3:04:56 GMT -5
The purpose of this posted photograph is to feature a variety of available US uniform jackets/coats that were commonly seen in the ETO. The fellow on the left and second from the right are wearing the so called Tanker Jacket or windcheater jacket. A very popular jacket it was covetted by all soldiers and not exclusively worn by armored forces. The second from the left is of course the M-42 By the Ardennes it would typically have been replaced by the much warmer, lined M-43 jacket. The third from the left is wearing a type one Mackinaw coat (sometimes called a Jeep jacket) This variety features a thick wool liner that extended out onto the collar. later versions eliminated the wool fabric on the collar. This coat was quite popular with soldiers in cold weather and was often seen on NCOs and officers who were in service before the war broke out as the style dated to before the war. They are still fairly available in decent shape and can be purchased far less expensively then M-41s. I believe they will jump greatly in value in the next few years. The man on the extreme right is wearing the M-41 jacket which was too light for winter weather but sadly was all some men had. I'll post an additional grouping featuring other common coats/jackets from the ETO.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Jun 25, 2007 20:04:35 GMT -5
It's true that the 41st Infantry and other units within the second Armored Division that wore the herring bone twill camo uniform wore como netting and scrim for head gear rather then the camo cover shown on the ETO soldier. I always struggled with that when I'd see old reruns of the TV show COMBAT with Sgt Saunders wearing the camo cover on his helmet. Then I watched the excellent documentary D-Day to Berlin which was a compilation of coverage from Lt. Colonel George Stevens personal color home movies shot in the ETO. On two different occassions as he's panning a bunch of soldiers, you see US GIs with camo covered helmets. Cloth duck hunter patterned camo helmets. I was amazed and flabbergasted. I slowed it down and looked more closely and they were apparently cut from camo parachute fabric and were a field expedient. To my knowledge the camo helmet cover depicted on the soldier shown above is incorrect. It should have been a net and scrim. However a camo parachute cover was in fact done. Rare but done. One of the scenes was during a huge German surrender in Operation Lumberjack in early March of 1945 so obviously still being done and worn late in the war. I have seen quite a few pictures of Legs w/ netting and scrim. I have also seen more then enough photos of parachute silk being used. I have about 4 or 5 including the two that go4broke posted. Sorry for the Necropost though. Just wanted to share that. Love the pics though. I dont think anyone mentioned this, but the assualt vest was worn by more then just the Rangers too. One more thing too is that we had a GIANT discussion on the reenactor boards about why the camo HBTs were withdrawn, here it is if you were curious. ww2reenactors.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=usunif&action=display&thread=1163898094 -Cary
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Post by azeeze on Jun 25, 2007 20:44:20 GMT -5
Mostly its 2nd armored with the scrim you see, but i do have a picture of a trooper in the 2nd infantry with scrim on as well. -Nick
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Post by wade on Jun 25, 2007 22:35:16 GMT -5
If you look at the picture of the Americans marching into Paris, you can see a few soldiers with scrim.
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Post by azeeze on Jun 25, 2007 23:37:45 GMT -5
The Arc de Triumph Victory Parade at Paris? I believe they were 28th Infantry Division if im not mistaken. Ya in the front i believe there is about 4 maybe 5 guys with scrim in the front line all the way to the right. -Nick
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 15, 2007 12:55:41 GMT -5
Virtually all line doggies were issued helmet nets which were designed to break up the natural sheen of the M1 Helmet along with cork finish. It was also designed to accomodate local foliage and burlap scrim the use of which was spelled out in Field Manuals of the time. Any and all divisions and individuals would have been encouraged to use it during spring and summer campaigns.
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Post by p51 on Sept 27, 2007 21:11:27 GMT -5
Pretty good stuff. Just an FYI on the Army HBT camo, they really didn't take it out of use in Normandy due to the SS camo. Noted US WW2 historian Jon Gawne did a lot of background research a few years ago into why they did take it out of ETO use, and it was more a supply and uniformity issue than anything else. The mistaking US camo for SS wasn't a documented issue at all in any WW2 documents he could find anywhere. I think this is just one of those things that one person writes it in a book and it gets passed down so many times it becomes, a "fact" in the minds of most. I was actually surprised about this myself as I'd heard and believed that SS camo story as well. As for the carbine "high wood - low wood" deal, nobody I know makes the correct reproduction M1A1 stock in high wood. I'm not sure why that is. My repro is low wood as well, but my original M1A1 stock is high wood.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 28, 2007 0:57:03 GMT -5
We pretty much beat the whole discussion about HBT camo in the ETO and why it was withdrawn. Actually several units continued to wear it well into September and October. The 41st Armored Infantry assigned to the 2nd Armored comes to mind.
I spoke with a 41st vet who said they experienced friendly fire incidents quite often and he attributed it to the camo uniforms but honestly I suspect every Infantry unit had more then their share. He liked the uniforms and said they were just plain pretty well rotted out by the time they got replaced with M-43 stuff.
Capt Zak had heard something about the dyes fading to white but I had never heard that. I have an original set (pants and top) of the US Army camo uniform with the 13 star buttons and everything. My son wore it at the Auburn veterans parade years ago and of course most assumed he was a Marine.
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Post by airsoftaddict on Nov 24, 2007 14:04:05 GMT -5
does anyone have good pics of marines
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Post by Yogi on May 15, 2010 21:52:10 GMT -5
My I ask if this uniform and gear is right, if not can you guys help me thanks. US infantry, 1942-1945 01 - M1 helmet 02 - M1934 shirt 03 - M1934 sweatshirt 04 - M1941 trousers 05 - service boots 06 - M1938 leggins 07 - M1926 life belt 08 - M1937 ammo belt 09 - M1924 personal dressing 10 - M1910 canteen 11 - gas mask bag 12 - M1918A2 Browning Automatic Rifle with M1907 belt 13 - armband 14, 15 - obvious 16 - shoulder badges: A - 1st Armoured B - 2nd Arm C - 3rd Infantry E - 34th Inf F - 1st Inf
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Post by Adler69 on May 15, 2010 22:57:10 GMT -5
Well that Polish website made a few mistakes 02 - it's not M1934 , it's a M-1937 PATTERN US ARMY OD WOOL SHIRT 03 - That is not a M1934 Sweatshirt , it's an HBT jacket model PQD 45C 04 - those are HBT Combat Fatigue Trousers model Spec PQD 45C 05 - proper name for this is Model 1939 "Shoes, Service, Composition Sole" 11 - M1VA1 Gas Mask Bag 16 - D is the shoulder insignia for the 9th Infantry Division.
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Post by Yogi on May 16, 2010 0:05:41 GMT -5
ok thank you this will help me for our WWII MILSIM game.
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Post by Adler69 on May 16, 2010 0:08:02 GMT -5
The impression on the photo is great , it's just the names that they got wrong.
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Post by Fusilier on May 16, 2010 9:54:05 GMT -5
Wow! Squeaky clean!
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