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Post by dgerstung17 on Feb 8, 2008 23:42:34 GMT -5
A squadron or at least a couple Germans invade a small town/camp. We have 3 or 4 of the resistance's people distract the Germans while 2 or 3 of the resistance are up in a building or behind the Germans and they either take them hostage and take there guns (metaphorically) or they can shoot all of them. It might work great, orr, it might not work at all.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Feb 9, 2008 0:07:37 GMT -5
The largest problem with that is using your fellow resistance fighters as bait. If they are recognized ex post facto, they are shot by the germans later on...
A squadron of germans that have gone missing after searching a town/camp usually brought extreme consequences to said town/camp's inhabitants. Most likely responce, executions.
The main role of the resistance was not to be life takers but to instead destroy the german war machine. All out rebellion did take place but it was quickly learned that german reprisals hurt the resistance movement and the innocent civilian population far more than the resistance could hurt the germans in a war of atriction. Like all tactics, this one is flawed (but more severely than others).
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Post by Relish on Feb 9, 2008 0:14:13 GMT -5
hit and run is what you should do. the germans in an occupied town would be on top of you in a hurry if you didn't get the hell out of dodge REAL fast. if you were just trying to kill personnel, you would be better off basically rushing them, then opening up on them, and running to a set escape point.
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Post by britannia on Jun 12, 2008 9:15:12 GMT -5
This presents a interesting dilema... but what you seem to suggest is the French Resistance were like SWAT, which is not the case.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 12, 2008 12:32:08 GMT -5
The resistance was almost entirely used for gathering of intelligence, destroying lines of communication. (Phone wires, rail lines, sabotaging vehicles etc.) There were of course the random assasinations and hit and run ambushes and once the invasion started they more actively took to fighting (Paris for example) As mentioned the Germans were quite draconian in their response to acts of resistance. When they couldn't fix blame they took stern retribution on villages or towns they suspected the perpetrators came from.
I can see you attempting to use the scenario you describe as a game scenario but keep in mind to be authentic at all it would have to be a surprise and there is nothing you present above that would be much of a surprise to the folks playing the Germans. The challenge would be to blend it into an event so it could be.
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Post by hank on Jun 12, 2008 21:10:13 GMT -5
The first airsoft game I went to I played as French Resistance. All I really did was just fight along side the U.S. guys. But the rules were if I didn't have a visible weapon the Germans couldn't shoot me, so I could spy on them here and there, that was really it. But like 2nd said, it would be a challenge to surprise the Germans by a French attack, unless you had like a large scale game.
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Post by Medic on Jun 13, 2008 15:38:50 GMT -5
The Resistance had a large job of hiding Allied Airmen, and stealing supplies (like Rubber Stamps, Uniforms, Weapons, etc.). So I think that the French Resistance would be more of a "points advantage" (if anyone uses a point system) then a manpower advantage. Because, all the French and Dutch usually had were Mausers or pistols that were one shot and "faster to make then reload" for killing Germans and getting their weapons. Which, in Airsoft, would probably not happen. So, to conclude, if you don't play with points and just use French and Dutch for manpower, then why not just get some sort of kit. It is better tactically then wearing a sweater vest and a pistol, or whatever weapon you have. Remember the French and Dutch didn't carry 10+ magazines like the Regular Army, but their main job was to survey, spy and help downed airman.
-Nick
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Post by colinbt1994 on Jun 27, 2008 23:31:10 GMT -5
Exactly what are you planing on using for a french resistance impression? I'm kind of interested, but all I cna think of is..maroon beret.
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Post by 2ndranger on Jun 27, 2008 23:47:44 GMT -5
but their main job was to survey, spy and help downed airman. and...resist?...its in their name, not the "Group of spies or the rescuers down under". It was the Resistance, as in they were also supplied by the british or allies whenever possible, and able to fight the enemy, Keep in mind the homemade weapons as well. They were made up of the occupied countrys most loyal citizens who were willing to die for their countrys liberation no matter the armament they had. They would do what ever the germans didnt want, and did whatever had to be done to get the allies closer to them. Resistance also plays a major role in creating havoc within the german rear lines. Franz
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Post by Medic on Jun 28, 2008 0:07:52 GMT -5
Well, that is resiting isn't it?
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Post by 2ndranger on Jun 28, 2008 0:13:55 GMT -5
Im proving the point that they did infact engage the germans in combat before the allied armies did making them a effective role in any combat situation. Keeping in mind with all that spying and what not they will know the enemy better than anyone else.
Franz
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Post by wade on Jun 28, 2008 9:26:22 GMT -5
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Post by colinbt1994 on Jun 28, 2008 12:00:21 GMT -5
Lol
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Jul 8, 2008 22:23:35 GMT -5
Wow, I haven't seen that movie in years...
Uh, anyway, french resistance tactics...
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Post by p40warhawk on Jul 8, 2008 22:36:13 GMT -5
I think it would be really cool if for a larger event some people could be rounded up (friends who do not airsoft and such) who could just hang out in fake villages and such to represent French villagers. They could be dressed in a french style and just hang out. Then it would be the purpose of the resistance to blend in (no Germans can shoot civvies unless there is a gun) and cause havoc. It would be more interesting and realistic that way. The Germans would have to try to combat the resistance without focusing on the innocents. Also there could be certain objectives that would have to be blown up that when blown by the french would have a negative impact on the germans. For ex. fuel depot- no vehicles for a set time. Or something that causes a set number of Germans to sit out for a set time.
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Post by 2ndranger on Jul 9, 2008 0:13:02 GMT -5
The Germans would have to try to combat the resistance without focusing on the innocents. ....or...they can do as they did in the history books SEND ZEE WHOLE VILLAGE TO ZA DESS KAMPS!!?!....But in all seriousness, I do like the idea of civilians to get in the way. Perhaps at the upcoming Dragoon event where there will be an actual town available this can be done. Franz
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Post by Garrick Udet on Jul 10, 2008 10:07:18 GMT -5
I think it would be really cool if for a larger event some people could be rounded up (friends who do not airsoft and such) who could just hang out in fake villages and such to represent French villagers. They could be dressed in a french style and just hang out. I think you'll have trouble finding people who want to sit around in 1940s clothes with eye protection on just to 'hang out' while other people have all the fun shooting at each other. I know everybody wants a cool role for partisans and resistance fighters that would accurately portray their contributions, but the fact is that it's highly unlikely to every occur at an event. The advantage that partisans and resistance fighters had is that they could strike and then disappear into the local population. Last time I checked, we don't have villages full of non-coms hanging out at our games (see first point above). Where these roles are valuable are as a balancing effect for the axis and allied sides at a skirmish. If you have 4 Allies and 9 Germans that show up to an event, and you have 4 Partisan/Resistance fighters... throw them on the allied side (which is what we did last month at our skirmish). The size of our events dictate that this will be the role for Partisans for quite some time to come. When you're doing tactical planning, I know it's fun to brainstorm what would be really cool and fun. But if you want to execute a successful event, you need to focus on what's practical and what will draw the most people. In my opinion, a scenario designed to emphasize resistance tactics would be part or the former, not the latter.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 10, 2008 12:38:25 GMT -5
At Jump to Destiny the French Resistance Role players facilitated the event beautifully on several levels. On Friday when people arrived they dressed as British civilians and waved and welcomed the Amis as they arrived at their sequestered camps. They thus provided ambiance. Saturday while the US force was training, planning and briefing for the big jump the French resistance provided an OPFOR for the Germans who were likewise going through a training and prep phase. During the actual jump the French resiatnce players served as liasons and guides for the airborne units and later snuck water and food to the assembly areas as a supplemental resupply. They provided recon and intel for the US Forces as directed by the game controllers to stimulate movement and action phases.
At one time I was trying to drive Schmottys Jeep through a narrow clear cut road through the woods to one of the US assembly areas and was stopped by fallen trees. The Resistance guys took axes and cut away the dead fall to my front.
They were just marvelous staff support guys in Role Player costumes. In talking to them afterwards they had a ball. The cute girl was an asset on many levels and likewise said she had a great time. She took a bolt action rifle and was on occassion an OPFOR fighting against the Germans.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 10, 2008 19:09:06 GMT -5
She was a real sweetheart. Very nice to talk to. She gave the locals heck when they were bantering back and forth it was quite funny. She borrowed Aaron's Thompson Sunday morning and racked up a few krauts with it she said as well. They all really added to the event.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 11, 2008 16:56:52 GMT -5
She is a little cutie. She played one of three of my Garand daughters at a Vietnam game where I was the village elder who had been tortured by the PAVN. It was nice being comforted and carressed by them all. Since the physical abuse was simulated the actual caresses were doubly nice.
I'm old but I'm not dead! Later when they all switched into NVA uniforms and helped attack the firebase they did an awesome job although. I blew my bugle and they got on line and together with the other OPFOR assaulted the wire. It was all I could do to keep them in character. They giggled way too much as they carried out their attacks.
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Post by historybuff on May 17, 2009 10:27:58 GMT -5
the pistol mentioned by medic was called the liborater and used a .45 round and cost about a dollar to make and was as thickas the round itself
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Post by partisan on May 17, 2009 10:43:29 GMT -5
i think dgerstung17's tactic sounds like fun and i think it could happen. just like so-and-so's law: any thing that can happen will happen.
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