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Post by Hans Schilsen on Sept 7, 2008 12:53:47 GMT -5
Hello to yall! I've done a bit of research, but I couldn't really find any information on the subject that did any good to me..
I would like to do a German impression, Fallschirmjager (sorry I know there are too many...).. I'd like to do 2nd Parachute Division.. I've already got a US impression going, so you might think it is a bit stupid of me wanting to do another one (especially an FJ impression), when my US impression isn't even complete yet. Well, maybe it is stupid, but I'd like to do both..
OK, here are the questions;
Did the FJR 6 wear the early plain green type II smocks in Normandy 1944? Is a type III splinter/tan and water smock OK? Where tan and water camouflage covers ever produced, and were they common in the FJR 6 in the summer of Normandy, 1944 (can you tell that I like tan and water camo?)? Do I need 98k ammo pouches?
I think that was it for now.
I don't know if this helps, I'm 6' 2"..
I'm new to Axis, and the forum so don't go too hard on me. I'm not located in the US.
Thank you!
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Post by sir veilance on Sept 7, 2008 21:37:30 GMT -5
Where tan and water camouflage covers ever produced, and were they common in the FJR 6 in the summer of Normandy, 1944 (can you tell that I like tan and water camo?)? Do I need 98k ammo pouches? I assume you mean helmet covers!?! If so.....even though there are "repro" tan and water helmet covers out there, all my references say that no tan and water helmet covers were produced for FJ helmets during World War 2. You need to clarify your next question about 98K ammo pouches! Of course, if you are going to carry a 98K, you will need ammo pouches. FJ's had cloth bandoliers that were hung around the neck. They were issued in several colors, including your fave.....tan and water ;D There is also plenty of photos showing FJ's wearing standard issue leather ammo pouches as well. Maybe someone else can answer your other questions!! Good luck!! |
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 7, 2008 22:25:42 GMT -5
1. Tan and water helmet covers are a fantasy
2. Tan and water K98 bandoliers are a fantasy AFAIK
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Post by sir veilance on Sept 7, 2008 23:16:15 GMT -5
2. Tan and water K98 bandoliers are a fantasy AFAIK OOOPS! I misread!! They were produced in an olive/tan color version for use with the tan and water smock, but not produced in tan and water!! MY bad!!It was the FG42 bandolier that was made in a tan and water pattern version!! |
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Post by sir veilance on Sept 8, 2008 12:38:15 GMT -5
OK.. I did a little research and from what I've read, if you want to do FJR6, in Normandy, at Carentan, around D-day. You do not want a tan and water smock. The most common would have been Splinter B with some of the older green smocks mixed in. Here are links to two units of blank fire guys who do FJR6 impressions. Take ANYTHING you see on the internet with a grain of salt, but your best bet is to pick what was most commonly worn and not what was out of the ordinary!! www.fjr6.net/home.htmlwww.fjr6.co.uk/ |
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 8, 2008 13:17:12 GMT -5
Yeah, 6FJR was the last fully jump qualified unit, and because of this they were equipped like that. Splinter B smocks, jump boots, many had painted helmets, etc.
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Post by Hans Schilsen on Sept 8, 2008 13:18:45 GMT -5
"I assume you mean helmet covers!?!" Yes... Sorry bout that. What about going without a helmet cover? For example, buy a tan helmet and spray paint/brush some olive drab paint on it? like, giving it a "camo" effect? I went back a couple of pages in the "Axis Impression Information (catchy name) and I saw Jager Dru had painted his (I think it looks great, btw) like that. This is isn't his helmet (his looks a bit different), just a random googled pic:  And I meant the leather ammo pouches, sorry again. But some guy told me that it was only the FJ pioneers that wore them, but I'm just interested in getting the equipment the "regular" FJ soldier wore. This got me a bit confused (I can get confused pretty easily sometimes), so I won't need them as an issued item? I don't know if it is a rip off site, but this www.sofmilitary.co.uk has a "Luftwaffe fieldgear set", which includes the ammunition pouches for the 98k. They've also got set for people armed with an MP40 (the only differences are the ammo pouches). 75 pounds for a set with the 98k ammo pouches. I guess it's a good price, but I've got no idea of the quality of it. Does anyone have experience with this site's German equipment? Here's the pic of the set:  Then what about type II Splinter camo smocks? I've seen pictures of veterans wearing them, but I'm not sure what campaigns the pics were taken in. The only place I've seen type two splinter smocks is ATF and buying from ATF isn't the best for me, since I live in Europe and import duties (etc) are too expensive for me. SOF (sofmilitary.co.uk) has the early plain green type two smocks, that's why I'm asking if they were commonly worn in Normandy 1944.. I'm not sure of how accurate they are though. They are £49.99 a piece, so I assume they are decent. Same deal with their type three splinter smocks, £49.99. Here's the early green type two FJ smock  the splinter type three  Does that seem decent? btw, second from the top, is that the correct bandolier you were talking about?  |
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Post by sir veilance on Sept 8, 2008 13:58:11 GMT -5
Yes! I think a camo painted helmet would be the way to go!!
And as far where to buy gear from, I'd stick with dealers in Europe, because of shipping! I do think that the place that is selling the combo of a y-strap, ammo pouches and belt isn't too bad a deal, if it includes a Luftwaffe buckle too!! That is, if I know what the value of the British pound versus the dollar is!!
The Y-strap they showed, in the combo, was not what was normally issued to FJ's, they had a lighter weight version, without assault pack straps or attachments. But FJ's did wear the others as well. I noticed they had the lightweight version listed by itself on the same page that your combos are on.
As far as bandoliers go, I'd try to get a splinter pattern one or one of the top two, the blue or the green. I know they had the blue and the green ones, but it's hard to tell in original B&W photos what color the bandoliers are when they are obviously not the splinter B versions. He does have the splinter B version on the third page of his Luftwaffe webgear selection, it is the very last item.
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 8, 2008 15:36:04 GMT -5
That green smock is wrong, as is the splinter one.
Go with a blue bandoleer.
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Post by click on Sept 8, 2008 15:52:06 GMT -5
Hans, glad to see you are joining the addiction!  I must say that this is a VERY good place to get info on the FJR6 as some of our regular members (binarypunisher, Jager Dru, Adler69) are reenactors who portray FJR6. They are a great source of info. On where to get kit though, you are right when you say that you have a problem. I suggest taking a peek at our sister sight (mods: is it really our sister site?) based in the UK. www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/php/phpBB2/index.phpI am on there (under the same username as here) and I have found people to be very friendly to newcomers. So go on ahead and introduce yourself. They are a great bunch of guys (and gals ) Also, on the navigation bar of their page they have kit guides if you are interested (I am pretty sure there is an FJ one as well). Click |
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Post by Hans Schilsen on Sept 8, 2008 15:58:28 GMT -5
Thanks click! I'll take a look right away!
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 8, 2008 16:18:48 GMT -5
Is the green smock wrong because it is a step in?
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Post by Jager.Drü on Sept 8, 2008 16:49:37 GMT -5
I let Brian answer that as I don't really know.
Hans,
A lot of the FJ reenactors use the Spearhead/Barry Lydon Splinter B type III smocks from ebay. They are great and they look spot on once dirty. When new the colors are way to bright.
For FJR6 tan and water is a no go. As brian said they were the last jump trained regiment so they would get the current issue of uniforms/gear/equipment. The splinter smock you linked is a splinter A smock and is fantasy. FJR6 also were issued splinter bandoleers and quite a few blue ones as well. The FJ helmet you pictured is a 3 color Normandy pattern. FJR6 went with a two color. Tan base, sawdust, with a green overspray. I painted our units helmets and we used dirt. We painted them all the same to look more uniform. You also want black web gear. Lightweight Y straps belt Luft buckle, either a tan or blue breadbag and a canteen. You can throw on a messtin if you like, but most of us just carry food in the breadbag and spoons in pockets. Front lace jump boots, the Canadian ones are pretty close and is what Brian and I wear.
I dont think I missed anything, but who knows
Drew
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 8, 2008 17:15:01 GMT -5
What about use of the Heer buckles? and Heer eagles? I had heard some guys kept their heer belt buckles eagles since they came from Heer. I have several books on FJ as I used to have a fairly good impression they were not specifically on FJ6 however.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Sept 8, 2008 17:30:59 GMT -5
That was more early war. A lot of the paras died on Kreta. It was very rare to see guys with the Heer stuff still after mid war.
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Post by sir veilance on Sept 8, 2008 19:34:31 GMT -5
Yes! Spearhead makes good stuff!! Won't cost much more to ship to Europe than it does to the US! Always quick to send it too, if it's in stock!! Sometimes you may have to wait a little while if he doesn't have what you need in your size. I got a pair of the Canadian boots as well, got mine from Military Tour, they look about right, are comfortable and inexpensive. I just got a pair of the Repro FJ boots that Hessen is selling, but have not had them on all day in the field yet like I have the Canadian boots, so the jury is still out on those They sure look the part though  You mentioned wanting 98K ammo pouches...What airsoft 98K do you have? |
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 8, 2008 20:25:08 GMT -5
Is the green smock wrong because it is a step in? The green is completely the wrong color. Total stitch nazi I know...but if we are going to discourage the use of splinter A we might as well discourage the use of the wrong green. HK Keith has a very good green step in. |
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Post by sir veilance on Sept 9, 2008 0:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 9, 2008 1:05:59 GMT -5
I have honestly had as much, if not more problems with Spearhead Militaria and Barry Lyndon. Both of them are total jokes whose customer service is absolute crap.
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Post by Ripper on Sept 9, 2008 1:10:34 GMT -5
I've always had very good luck with both Spearhead and Dawlong, but HK Keith was becoming very slow to ship anything before he shut down. And most of the order would be partial shipped or wrong.
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Post by mikkel on Sept 9, 2008 6:08:22 GMT -5
Keith have been kicked off ebay altogether...He simply had too many complaints from people who he owed money and/or goods.
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Post by Hans Schilsen on Sept 10, 2008 14:14:01 GMT -5
Thanks ... everyone.! You're all very helpful, I appreciate it.
'What airsoft 98K do you have?' none at the moment, I am considering getting a Dboyi 98k, but I'm not too sure my parents will let me spend a fortune on Airsoft/reenacting right away (remember, I still have a US impression goin'). And I'd also have to buy it from the US, Asia or somewhere else because I couldn't find any Dboyis where I live (Europe). I can get MP40s, but in my book they are too common (right?), and airsoft is quite expensive here. Getting anything overseas would also be a bit of a pain because of the import duties, shipping, and maybe it'll get seized by customs since we don't have a lot of freedom when it comes to guns here. .... *sigh*
I took a look at this Barry Lydon on ebay, he only had the type IIs in stock. Should I wait for the type III version? Or just buy a type II? I know you said FJR 6 were issued the latest equipment etc, etc, but I bet it's possible that type IIs were mixed in too. Not only worn by vets of earlier campaigns, but just issued as they were piled up in the factory (or wherever they are stored until issued) until they were re-issued. I don't know about you, but I think it sounds plausible... But as you said 'your best bet is to pick what was most commonly worn and not what was out of the ordinary!!'..
I think I forgot to say something.. oh well..
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 10, 2008 16:30:24 GMT -5
Ohhh I so don't recommend the DBoys K98 for skirmishing. I can't recommend the ones I make as cheap though. I really do like the MP40's.
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 10, 2008 19:52:09 GMT -5
Some members of FJR6 did have Marsh Pattern smocks , as did members of FJR9 which joined the battle towards the end.  |
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 10, 2008 20:01:23 GMT -5
As far as what you can do to your helmet , there are a lot of things you can do to it: Normandy camo with captured GI helmet net ( yes it was done)  Another type of Normandy camo  German helmet camo net  Splintter camo cover with hooks instead of drawstring  And the FJR6 camo pattern  |
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Post by sir veilance on Sept 11, 2008 8:20:50 GMT -5
Just for reference...Here is an example of Splinter A and B side by side.  |
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 11, 2008 16:54:24 GMT -5
THANK YOU!!!! Now I can see the difference. |
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Post by Hans Schilsen on Sept 14, 2008 16:15:31 GMT -5
Thanks Adler! I like the FJR6 Normandy camo a lot, so whenever I figure it's time to get a helmet, I know what to do! And, about how many reenactors wear tan and water smocks (I wouldn't get something that's common in reenactor-world, but not in the real world)? The tan and water camouflage smocks, where they issued before or after the splinter?
Speaking of splinter, thanks Veilance! That helped me out too.
Thanks everyone!
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 14, 2008 17:04:43 GMT -5
after splinter, they would be seen in limited numbers late in the war.
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Post by Hans Schilsen on Sept 14, 2008 17:11:29 GMT -5
Ok, thanks!
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I must say that this is a VERY good place to get info on the FJR6 as some of our regular members (binarypunisher, Jager Dru, Adler69) are reenactors who portray FJR6. They are a great source of info. On where to get kit though, you are right when you say that you have a problem. I suggest taking a peek at our sister sight (mods: is it really our sister site?) based in the UK.
